Should Black Lives Matter be considered a terrorist group?

[Gormwood]

Well why not say "All lives matter" if there message really isn't "black lives matter more".

in my opinion, "all lives matter" is essentially what the blm movement is saying, however by saying "all lives matter" in response to the statement that "black lives matter" is a little redundant. all lives matter is a terrific stance to hold, everyone's lives should matter! but that's kind of their point in the first place, by saying "all lives matter" (while completely true!!) it's ignoring the problem the blm movement has brought up in the first place

EDITS: reworded to make more sense

"All Lives Matter" is a slogan for thinly veiled dismissal of black concerns, namely disproportionate police abuse and violence.

[Gormwood]

Prove it.

The fact that the military is now in Portland because they can't behave.

After being provoked by Homeland Security Trumpstapo just when things were simmering down. Go figure.

[Slaughter None]

The fact that the military is now in Portland because they can't behave.

After being provoked by Homeland Security Trumpstapo just when things were simmering down. Go figure.

Things were simmering down, excuse me?!! I think you mean say that everybody stopped caring about the continuous riots.

[Slaughter None]

in my opinion, "all lives matter" is essentially what the blm movement is saying, however by saying "all lives matter" in response to the statement that "black lives matter" is a little redundant. all lives matter is a terrific stance to hold, everyone's lives should matter! but that's kind of their point in the first place, by saying "all lives matter" (while completely true!!) it's ignoring the problem the blm movement has brought up in the first place

EDITS: reworded to make more sense

"All Lives Matter" is a slogan for thinly veiled dismissal of black concerns, namely disproportionate police abuse and violence.

Your arguments can be used against you. Isn't "Black lives matter" a dismissal of all others concerns and problems?

[Gormwood]

After being provoked by Homeland Security Trumpstapo just when things were simmering down. Go figure.

Things were simmering down, excuse me?!! I think you mean say that everybody stopped caring about the continuous riots.

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Wants Federal Agents Removed From His City

WHEELER: No. Again, it's rhetoric. It's the kind of escalating rhetoric we've seen from Donald Trump and the White House. And he sent in the troops despite the fact that the governor, our two United States senators, myself as mayor and others have said we don't need them, and we don't want them. My residents don't know who a federal officer is or a local police officer or a county deputy or a state patroller. They don't know, and they don't care. It's all the same to them.

On Friday night, after the federal police started gassing people, about 300 people came to my house and wanted to know why I allowed our police officers to gas people, which, of course, I didn't, and they didn't. But there's - it's a distinction without a difference in the eyes of the public, and I believe the president and his people know that.

[Slaughter None]

Things were simmering down, excuse me?!! I think you mean say that everybody stopped caring about the continuous riots.

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Wants Federal Agents Removed From His City

WHEELER: No. Again, it's rhetoric. It's the kind of escalating rhetoric we've seen from Donald Trump and the White House. And he sent in the troops despite the fact that the governor, our two United States senators, myself as mayor and others have said we don't need them, and we don't want them. My residents don't know who a federal officer is or a local police officer or a county deputy or a state patroller. They don't know, and they don't care. It's all the same to them.

On Friday night, after the federal police started gassing people, about 300 people came to my house and wanted to know why I allowed our police officers to gas people, which, of course, I didn't, and they didn't. But there's - it's a distinction without a difference in the eyes of the public, and I believe the president and his people know that.

The Portland mayor has shown all of us that he cannot handle violent crimes and widespread looting in check, him saying that he doesn't want HS means nothing.

[Gormwood]

"All Lives Matter" is a slogan for thinly veiled dismissal of black concerns, namely disproportionate police abuse and violence.

Your arguments can be used against you. Isn't "Black lives matter" a dismissal of all others concerns and problems?

That's a disingenuous argument. Nothing in "Black lives matter" explicitly or implicitly dismisses the importance of other live while "All lives matter" shouted in response is an attempt to dismiss the importance of black people's concerns.

[Slaughter None]

Your arguments can be used against you. Isn't "Black lives matter" a dismissal of all others concerns and problems?

That's a disingenuous argument. Nothing in "Black lives matter" explicitly or implicitly dismisses the importance of other live while "All lives matter" shouted in response is an attempt to dismiss the importance of black people's concerns.

It is not shouted as a dismissal of problems faced by black people but that they are not the only people who face problems.

[Necroghastia]

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Wants Federal Agents Removed From His City

The Portland mayor has shown all of us that he cannot handle violent crimes and widespread looting in check, him saying that he doesn't want HS means nothing.

How has he shown anything of the sort?

[Dangine]

That's a disingenuous argument. Nothing in "Black lives matter" explicitly or implicitly dismisses the importance of other live while "All lives matter" shouted in response is an attempt to dismiss the importance of black people's concerns.

It is not shouted as a dismissal of problems faced with black people but that they are not the only people who face problems.

Trying to solve African American problems does not mean they believe that blacks are the only people who face problems, just like in the Civil Rights movement.

[Necroghastia]

That's a disingenuous argument. Nothing in "Black lives matter" explicitly or implicitly dismisses the importance of other live while "All lives matter" shouted in response is an attempt to dismiss the importance of black people's concerns.

It is not shouted as a dismissal of problems faced by black people but that they are not the only people who face problems.

No fucking shit, do you honestly think BLM people don't know that? And guess what: "All Lives Matter" does NOTHING to actually point out people who are having problems, either.

[Confederate Norway]

The Portland mayor has shown all of us that he cannot handle violent crimes and widespread looting in check, him saying that he doesn't want HS means nothing.

How has he shown anything of the sort?

Maybe because Portland has been a mess for a long time under his watch?

[Slaughter None]

The Portland mayor has shown all of us that he cannot handle violent crimes and widespread looting in check, him saying that he doesn't want HS means nothing.

How has he shown anything of the sort?

Just do a simple Google search. Him asking POTUS to remove the HS troops while not solving the problem and not taking any responsibility.

[Gravlen]

How has he shown anything of the sort?

Just do a simple Google search. Him asking POTUS to remove the HS troops while not solving the problem and not taking any responsibility.

Googling suggests there hasn't been looting in Portland for two months, so it seems, contrary to your claim, that the problem had been solved.

[Neutraligon]

After being provoked by Homeland Security Trumpstapo just when things were simmering down. Go figure.

Things were simmering down, excuse me?!! I think you mean say that everybody stopped caring about the continuous riots.

No, things where simmering down.

Just do a simple Google search. Him asking POTUS to remove the HS troops while not solving the problem and not taking any responsibility.

Googling suggests there hasn't been looting in Portland for two months, so it seems, contrary to your claim, that the problem had been solved.

Correct.

[Vassenor]

Prove it.

Here’s some information from Wikipedia
2018–2019
On January 20, 2018, antifa protested[101] "A Night for Freedom" hosted by far-right social media personality Mike Cernovich at the nightclub FREQ in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. Protesters attacked partygoers spilling out of the venue, including a 56-year-old man taken to Bellevue Hospital in stable condition after allegedly being choked and punched.[102] David Campbell, aged 32, subsequently pleaded guilty to two counts of felony assault for his role in the violence[103] and was sentenced to 18 months in

I don't know if you've noticed, but it's not January 2018.

[Epluribus Unum]

A domestic terrorist organization is defined by the FBI as:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." -Copied directly from FBI website

Organizations such as the KKK fall into this category but weirdly, the most destructive political movement in the 21st century responsible for billions of dollars worth of property damage, countless attacks on innocent people and police, and violent rhetoric among MANY more horrible things they have done isn't a domestic terrorist organization. WHY?

Personally I do support equality for all races, and the idea that "Black Lives Matter"in the purest form is great, I know that in some areas of society there is few blacks represented, I like the words they officially speak. Their actions are another story though, the politicians are scared to speak badly of them because of the name of the organization.

If I built out an organization named Catz Rule which on the website claimsWe are an organization dedicated to spreading the word on how great cats and kittens are however in our demonstrations we attacked innocent people, burned down businesses, and were responsible for the death of hundreds of cats, we would be known as a terrorist organization. The same should be for BLM, it is a sad truth that they are treated better because they are black, that is horrible, as I said ALL races should be treated equally, they are a hate/domestic terrorist organization and should be seen as such.

Thanks for reading, please continue the thread, tell me if you agree or disagree and why.

YES, Absolutely! As soon as they formed a Militia and started demanding a State of their own and siad they would take on anyone that got in there way they became Domestic terrorists!

[Neutraligon]

As to the unequal arresting, look no further then the statistics of arrest for Marijuana https://www.aclu.org/report/tale-two-co ... ana-reform here you go. There is equal usage, but blacks are far more likely to be arrested.

[Funkytimes]

How has he shown anything of the sort?

Just do a simple Google search. Him asking POTUS to remove the HS troops while not solving the problem and not taking any responsibility.

he just might be asking the president to remove troops bc they keep kidnapping people who are peacefully prostesting off of the streets and taking them to unmarked vehicles. even if the troops are "arresting" these people, what's the cause?? you can't arrest someone without probable cause

[Lanorth]

A lot of people fail to understand that anti-racism isn't radical. That's all I'm gonna say on the topic. No, it shouldn't. If it starts bombing the civilian population, go ahead. But until that happens, no.

[Neutraligon]

Just do a simple Google search. Him asking POTUS to remove the HS troops while not solving the problem and not taking any responsibility.

he just might be asking the president to remove troops bc they keep kidnapping people who are peacefully prostesting off of the streets and taking them to unmarked vehicles. even if the troops are "arresting" these people, what's the cause?? you can't arrest someone without probable cause

Correct, the protests had died down and and quieted down a lot after the police where prevented from using tear gas. Then the guy was shot in the head with ...less lethal rounds. First the guy was peacefully protesting. He was holding a sign, then had a canister thrown at him which he kicked away, then went right back to holding the sign. He was a peaceful protester, meaning he should never have been shot in the first place. Second why was he shot in the head? As has been repeatedly mentioned by gun users on this forum you aim for the center of mass, which is the body, so why was he shot in the head? If the person intended to hit the body, then why did they miss so badly that the guy was hit in the forehead? If he intended another target that was not peaceful then why was he hit at all?
People then responded badly, both to that and the use of tear gas.

[Miternet]

A domestic terrorist organization is defined by the FBI as:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." -Copied directly from FBI website

Organizations such as the KKK fall into this category but weirdly, the most destructive political movement in the 21st century responsible for billions of dollars worth of property damage, countless attacks on innocent people and police, and violent rhetoric among MANY more horrible things they have done isn't a domestic terrorist organization. WHY?

Because most of the violence and damage are done by extremists trying to discredit BLM.

Personally I do support equality for all races, and the idea that "Black Lives Matter"in the purest form is great, I know that in some areas of society there is few blacks represented, I like the words they officially speak. Their actions are another story though, the politicians are scared to speak badly of them because of the name of the organization.

So you support them even though you want them to be labeled terrorists. That makes no sense.

If I built out an organization named Catz Rule which on the website claimsWe are an organization dedicated to spreading the word on how great cats and kittens are however in our demonstrations we attacked innocent people, burned down businesses, and were responsible for the death of hundreds of cats, we would be known as a terrorist organization. The same should be for BLM, it is a sad truth that they are treated better because they are black, that is horrible, as I said ALL races should be treated equally, they are a hate/domestic terrorist organization and should be seen as such.

The sad truth is that people like you care more about property damage than black lives.

[-Astoria-]

Prove it.

The fact that the military is now in Portland because they can't behave.

"Oh, them uppity CoMmUnIsTs!!!111!!"

[Neutraligon]

Prove it.

The fact that the military is now in Portland because they can't behave.

No, they are in Portland so Donald can stir up a shit storm because that is a distraction from other issues

[One Thousand Vultures]

The fact that the military is now in Portland because they can't behave.

No, they are in Portland so Donald can stir up a shit storm because that is a distraction from other issues

Honestly, I might go so far as to say that it isn't even /the/ distraction. Trump and Co. have used federal operatives to harass parts of the population for a while now (re: the ICE raids that were carried out about a year ago). I certainly don't think that the shitshow the feds are instigating in Portland is distracting from the gross mismanagement of COVID-19 or the economic downturn; I think it just is a brazen abuse of power from an administration that has been building up to and executing this type of thing for the past 3.5 years.