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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:21 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coqc94RTK-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blJud3mLTY

I recommend listening to both these videos, but to sum it up in a nutshell; Tucker Carlson's co-writer was making some pretty severely (like, 4chan-level) bigoted posts online under a pseudonym. Without going too heavy into the specifics here, let's just say it isn't your run of the mill bigotry watered down for TV. This stuff is so out there Tucker went on hiatus. (Claiming it was for a vacation he already had planned, but the timing does seem a tad suspicious if that is the case.)

Now personally, I'm skeptical of the idea that one's online self is one's "real" self, if only for the discrepancy between the extreme frequency of online death threats and the (relatively) less frequent real-life murder rate. But here are still two aspects of this that are concerning independently of how much or little this person means of it:

1. Even if he doesn't mean it, someone influencing so many viewers shouldn't even pretend to think something that deranged.

2. If it's your face people are paying to see, and/or your voice people are paying to hear, then quite frankly, you should be writing your own material anyway. This whole thing reminds me of the Ron Paul ghostwriting controversy. It should be the person saying it who came up with it, if only for staying true to the spirit of "don't take credit for someone else's work," let alone for accountability.

Of course, even those concerns are somewhat diminished by their correlation with the "online self = true self" platitude, one I very strongly disagree with, so I'm not sure how valid said concerns are, in spite of all of the above reasoning.

What say you, NSG?
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1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:33 am

I got bigger problems than what one dude wrote on the internet, unless it’s funny then I might take a sec to laugh.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:38 am

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Postby Nakena » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:52 am

Unironically when I read somebody accaused of "bigotry" or "racism" or "sexism" those days, then by now I am going to be, by default assumption, that they did write something based, rather than something really bad.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:53 am

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.

You talk shit, you get shit. I honestly don't understand how you can think otherwise.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:16 am

Duvniask wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.

You talk shit, you get shit. I honestly don't understand how you can think otherwise.

Because of the nagging question of who gets to determine shit from gold. Once society as a whole starts shouting people down and censoring them that inevitably leads to a very dark place.
So TLDR what works in interpersonal direct conversations (where your rule does and bloody well should apply) should not work on this scale because it has a potential to (and frankly if you look around has) turn society into a perpetual witch hunt.
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Postby Servilis » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:19 am

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.

Actually, I prefer that people be held accountable for their actions, if you want to say some awful shit, except some awful consequences.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:20 am

Servilis wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.

Actually, I prefer that people be held accountable for their actions, if you want to say some awful shit, except some awful consequences.

Are the consequences going to be equal or more than that of just saying random shit that can at best cause someones feelings to be hurt? I ain't against calling an idiot an idiot when he deserves it. But internet witch hunts like this, especially against someone who was effectively doxed (his pseudonym was tracked to him) have the potential to do a lot more harm than hurt feelings. Which is why I am against them.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:39 am

Purpelia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:You talk shit, you get shit. I honestly don't understand how you can think otherwise.

Because of the nagging question of who gets to determine shit from gold. Once society as a whole starts shouting people down and censoring them that inevitably leads to a very dark place.
So TLDR what works in interpersonal direct conversations (where your rule does and bloody well should apply) should not work on this scale because it has a potential to (and frankly if you look around has) turn society into a perpetual witch hunt.

You're really hedging your bets on a giant slippery slope. It's not hard to determine when someone's a massive racist and homophobe, friend. I say this as someone who can also be edgy and use slurs myself; society not tolerating gigantic racists, fascists and their ilk holding prominence isn't the death of free speech or anything like that, it's the ostracizing of those who stand contrary to every ideal of a free society. Preventing (and not with legal, but social repercussions, mind you) the worst excesses of harassment, hatred and abuse allows for the genuine engagement of people who operate in good faith.

It's the same reason you cannot go on NSG and proclaim how you want to "gas the kikes". That shit won't roll here, and with good reason: you're not operating in good faith or any desire to contribute to public discourse, really. One would undermine the very principles of engaging in reasonable discussion in that scenario. If you're black and the public discourse is dominated by racists who would see you hanged, you're not going to come forward unless you're willing to risk yourself being harassed or worse. What do you actually hope to gain from society affording respect to people like Carlson's co-writer? Because it sure as shit isn't an improved public discourse.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:41 am

Nakena wrote:Unironically when I read somebody accaused of "bigotry" or "racism" or "sexism" those days, then by now I am going to be, by default assumption, that they did write something based, rather than something really bad.

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Postby Soiled fruit roll ups » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:44 am

Duvniask wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:1. People can say and think what they want without consequences.

2. Ghost writing allows for better quality content.

You talk shit, you get shit. I honestly don't understand how you can think otherwise.


Because victimisation is already considered a crime in most cases and just needs to be expanded to cover this.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:56 am

Not surprised that the guy who writes stories for a guy who thinks Iraqis are monkeys, Canadian women are hoes and child molestation is a-okay as long as you marry them is also a racist and sexist dick.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:57 am

Nakena wrote:Unironically when I read somebody accaused of "bigotry" or "racism" or "sexism" those days, then by now I am going to be, by default assumption, that they did write something based, rather than something really bad.


Not everyone accused of racism is just a man speaking his mind. This dude called people niggers, and is a legit bigot.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:59 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Not everyone accused of racism is just a man speaking his mind. This dude called people niggers, and is a legit bigot.

Damn bro kinda don't care
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Drongonia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Not everyone accused of racism is just a man speaking his mind. This dude called people niggers, and is a legit bigot.

Damn bro kinda don't care


So in other words racism is a ok and we should just look the other way when people do it.

Why do i see that society having alot of violence issues in the not so distant future? Ours already does and these days some folks (not enough but most folks) try to stand against racism in one way or another. Its funny though cause I have a feeling if he instead said "kill the white people," everyone who is saying "free speech" and "political correctness has gone too far" would be sharpening the pitch forks.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:03 am

Rojava Free State wrote:So in other words racism is a ok and we should just look the other way when people do it.

Basically yeah, all people regardless of their race have an inherent biological and evolutionary preference to be around and prioritise the wellbeing of those most similar to them.

Rojava Free State wrote:Why do i see that society having alot of violence issues in the not so distant future? Ours already does

Right, but the people who were burning down cities in the US and vandalising public property worldwide recently... those weren't 4chan posters or people who call people the n-word online.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:05 am

Drongonia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:So in other words racism is a ok and we should just look the other way when people do it.

Basically yeah, all people regardless of their race have an inherent biological and evolutionary preference to be around and prioritise the wellbeing of those most similar to them.

Rojava Free State wrote:Why do i see that society having alot of violence issues in the not so distant future? Ours already does

Right, but the people who were burning down cities in the US and vandalising public property worldwide recently... those weren't 4chan posters or people who call people the n-word online.


Nah, the guy who shot up a Walmart, the guy who shot up a black church, the guy who shot a mosque up in Christchurch and the guy who shot up the Gilroy garlic festival were though. But please do go on about why buildings burning down are worse than actual terrorist attacks. And where do you think these riots came from? Out of nowhere? They're a consequence of the legacy of hundreds of years of white supremacy.

Oh as for your first claim, its funny how your so called biological races don't even have defined borders and 90+% of anthropologists disagree with you, but im sure you know more than the actual scientists.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Rojava Free State wrote:Nah, the guy who shot up a Walmart, the guy who shot up a black church, the guy who shot a mosque up in Christchurch and the guy who shot up the Gilroy garlic festival were though. But please do go on about why buildings burning down are worse than actual terrorist attacks.

You're making it really hard for me to not start quoting African American crime statistics. Or the rape/violence statistics of certain groups within Europe, and Oceania, and Canada.

Rojava Free State wrote:Oh as for your first claim, its funny how your so called biological races don't even have defined borders and 90+% of anthropologists disagree with you, but im sure you know more than the actual scientists.

Well duh, of course I'm right - I said it so it must be true.
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Slavakino wrote:Freedom of speech, don't care


The first amendment protects you from the government, not your job. If i tell my boss to get fucked, I cant then pull the free speech card, so I don't see why a bigot should be able to either.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Freedom of speech, don't care


The first amendment protects you from the government, not your job. If i tell my boss to get fucked, I cant then pull the free speech card, so I don't see why a bigot should be able to either.

I have no words for scum to fire people for saying what's on their mind. Although if they are wildly inappropriate to their workplace then I can understand. Online, I have no tolerance
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Drongonia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Nah, the guy who shot up a Walmart, the guy who shot up a black church, the guy who shot a mosque up in Christchurch and the guy who shot up the Gilroy garlic festival were though. But please do go on about why buildings burning down are worse than actual terrorist attacks.

You're making it really hard for me to not start quoting African American crime statistics. Or the rape/violence statistics of certain groups within Europe, and Oceania, and Canada.


Oh you mean you're gonna pull crime stats that are a result of intense poverty and single parent households and claim without evidence that they're a result of biology?

You can pull all the stats you want. You're making a leap of faith to blame biology when there's a million other factors involved which are stronger in relation to these issues than race.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Freedom of speech, don't care


The first amendment protects you from the government, not your job. If i tell my boss to get fucked, I cant then pull the free speech card, so I don't see why a bigot should be able to either.


Your equating different things.
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Rojava Free State wrote:You can pull all the stats you want. You're making a leap of faith to blame biology when there's a million other factors involved which are stronger in relation to these issues than race.

Right. You've already proven you're not worth arguing with. Off to bed for me, it's getting late (early).
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