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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:48 pm

Alright, folks.... I have a number of 1, 2, and 3-owner season 1 cards. Some of them are for sale.

That being said, I think it's time to sell this one. It's a 1-owner, no season 2, CTE nation card. Uncommon issue, but extremely rare, since I own the only copy. Since it's a season 1 card, the odds of this being pulled are slim. Does anyone want it?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 4/season=1

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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:52 pm

Your asks are... a bit high.

I recommend charging 1-2 bank for 1 owner CTE exnations, that tends to be the standard market price for cards in that category.
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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:56 pm

I've sold plenty of 1-2 owner season 1 cards for higher. There is a market, and 1-owner season 1 cards are hard to obtain. The listed price seems fair.

Season 1 cards with 1-2 owners have a much higher ownership rarity than almost all Legendary cards.
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:03 pm

Tessen wrote:I've sold plenty of 1-2 owner season 1 cards for higher. There is a market, and 1-owner season 1 cards are hard to obtain. The listed price seems fair.

Season 1 cards with 1-2 owners have a much higher ownership rarity than almost all Legendary cards.

Can I see an example? I've never seen an ex-nation sell for that much. Usually I would sell those for 2-3, the most I think I could get for it is around 7 bank and even that is a lot.

Yes, they are in shorter supply than legendaries (the rarest of which still have upwards of 30 copies due to TCALS), but the demand is less widespread. There are a few people who are looking for low owner cards and ex-nations in general, but I seriously doubt they would pay you 25.00 when there are many, many others available.
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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:17 pm

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Tessen wrote:I've sold plenty of 1-2 owner season 1 cards for higher. There is a market, and 1-owner season 1 cards are hard to obtain. The listed price seems fair.

Season 1 cards with 1-2 owners have a much higher ownership rarity than almost all Legendary cards.

Can I see an example? I've never seen an ex-nation sell for that much. Usually I would sell those for 2-3, the most I think I could get for it is around 7 bank and even that is a lot.

Yes, they are in shorter supply than legendaries (the rarest of which still have upwards of 30 copies due to TCALS), but the demand is less widespread. There are a few people who are looking for low owner cards and ex-nations in general, but I seriously doubt they would pay you 25.00 when there are many, many others available.

Here are three that I sold for $10 each. $10 is higher then the prices you noted. There is a market.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 3/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 7/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 5/season=1

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Postby Destructive Government Economic System » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:21 pm

50 bank for a three-owner card?

Seriously dude?
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:25 pm

Tessen wrote:
The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:Can I see an example? I've never seen an ex-nation sell for that much. Usually I would sell those for 2-3, the most I think I could get for it is around 7 bank and even that is a lot.

Yes, they are in shorter supply than legendaries (the rarest of which still have upwards of 30 copies due to TCALS), but the demand is less widespread. There are a few people who are looking for low owner cards and ex-nations in general, but I seriously doubt they would pay you 25.00 when there are many, many others available.

Here are three that I sold for $10 each. $10 is higher then the prices you noted. There is a market.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 3/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 7/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 5/season=1

The "market" from these cards consists of a single buyer.

Sure, you can ask whatever you like but I regularly sell these cards for much less.

This is effectively price gouging.
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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:27 pm

Destructive Government Economic System wrote:50 bank for a three-owner card?

Seriously dude?


I'm not actively seeking buyers for those 50-bank sells, since I have neither publicly invited buyers, nor posted their links here in this forum. No one knows I have a price on those cards, unless they choose to look through my collection. I have a price listed on those cards, since they will eventually be promoted for sale, but those priced cards as currently no different than those who list 1000-bank prices on cards they like. Please don't assume that you know my intentions.

I promoted an offer, here, to sell a 1-owner uncommon card for 25 bank. That is what I am actively seeking to sell right now.

If there is a buyer, great. It not, I have lost nothing.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:29 pm

Tessen wrote:
Destructive Government Economic System wrote:50 bank for a three-owner card?

Seriously dude?


I'm not actively seeking buyers for those 50-bank sells, since I have neither publicly invited buyers, nor posted their links here in this forum. No one knows I have a price on those cards, unless they choose to look through my collection. I have a price listed on those cards, since they will eventually be promoted for sale, but those priced cards as currently no different than those who list 1000-bank prices on cards they like. Please don't assume that you know my intentions.

I promoted an offer, here, to sell a 1-owner uncommon card for 25 bank. That is what I am actively seeking to sell right now.

1000+ asks tend to be placeholders to prevent accidental junking, fyi

Additionally, people are free to express their opinions on your offers.
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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:33 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Sure, you can ask whatever you like but I regularly sell these cards for much less.

This is effectively price gouging.

Price gouging applies to inappropriately high prices on necessity goods. A rare digital nation card, on an online card-trading game, is neither a necessity, nor a regulated item. It is a "luxury purchase" for someone who wants that card. If there's a buyer out there -- perhaps someone who wants an almost certain rare care for bank transfers -- great. If not, I lose nothing by making my offer.

This is a game. My price is fair within that context.

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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:34 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Additionally, people are free to express their opinions on your offers.

I have not made any claims to the contrary.

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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:37 pm

Tessen wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:
Sure, you can ask whatever you like but I regularly sell these cards for much less.

This is effectively price gouging.

Price gouging applies to inappropriately high prices on necessity goods. A rare digital nation card, on an online card-trading game, is neither a necessity, nor a regulated item. It is a "luxury purchase" for someone who wants that card. If there's a buyer out there -- perhaps someone who wants an almost certain rare care for bank transfers -- great. If not, I lose nothing by making my offer.

This is a game. My price is fair within that context.

Well, there's a market for these cards, and all I'm telling you is that you are asking multiple times above the perceived market value for the card in question.

It's barely a luxury purchase considering DGES has thousands of cards with the same exact features. This card is not particularly notable or unique.

You have a right to ask as much as you want, I'm not claiming otherwise.

Tessen wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:
Additionally, people are free to express their opinions on your offers.

I have not made any claims to the contrary.

Sorry, I misread.
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Postby Tessen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:41 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:Well, there's a market for these cards, and all I'm telling you is that you are asking multiple times above the perceived market value for the card in question.

It's barely a luxury purchase considering DGES has thousands of cards with the same exact features. This card is not particularly notable or unique.

You have a right to ask as much as you want, I'm not claiming otherwise.


I guess I don't understand why you are so offended at my current asking price. It is what it is. I own the card; you don't want it -- fair enough. You aren't my market.

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Postby Sunhizria » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:04 pm

I failed to see how anyone might be as stupid to buy theses cards for theses ridiculous prices
your only audiance might be DGES. but those prices, who in their right mind would ever buy anything from you

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Postby Tessen » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:45 am

Sunhizria wrote:I failed to see how anyone might be as stupid to buy theses cards for theses ridiculous prices
your only audiance might be DGES. but those prices, who in their right mind would ever buy anything from you

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response.

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Postby Sunhizria » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:11 am

your price are so high, that no one will ever buy anything from you.
I have so 2 owner ex-nation from season 1.

rarity is not the only thing that give a card value. is what people are willing to spend for it.
also. during auction, card can spawn. and since 1 owner card are often used as transfer card, these often lose value as they are used.
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Postby Animu Place » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:32 pm

look at the highest sell for this card 2k surprises me
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 1/season=1
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:07 pm

Animu Place wrote:look at the highest sell for this card 2k surprises me
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 1/season=1

That's an old transfer card of Frisbeeteria's.

Since they don't have deck space, they have to use a technique to transfer large sums of bank from their alt account to their main.

Here's a 10000 transfer, same concept: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 5/season=2
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Postby Animu Place » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:51 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Animu Place wrote:look at the highest sell for this card 2k surprises me
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 1/season=1

That's an old transfer card of Frisbeeteria's.

Since they don't have deck space, they have to use a technique to transfer large sums of bank from their alt account to their main.

Here's a 10000 transfer, same concept: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 5/season=2

had no idea thanks for letting me know

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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:39 pm

I´d say, the price, although a little bit high, is fair for a S 1, one-owner-card; I for myself sell and/or sometimes buy such a card for 10,00 bank.
But, dear Noah, since you´re accusing of usury and price driving, maybe you should have a look at your own asks, for example : https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 3/season=1


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