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US won’t expel foreign students whose universities go online

Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:40 pm

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Foreign students must leave the United States if their school’s classes this fall will be taught completely online or transfer to another school with in-person instruction, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency announced on Monday.

It was not immediately clear how many student visa holders would be affected by the move, but foreign students are a key source of revenue for many U.S. universities as they often pay full tuition.

ICE said it would not allow holders of student visas to remain in the country if their school was fully online for the fall. Those students must transfer or leave the country, or they potentially face deportation proceedings, according to the announcement.

Colleges and universities have begun to announce plans for the fall 2020 semester amid the continued coronavirus pandemic. Harvard University on Monday announced it would conduct course instruction online for the 2020-2021 academic year.

The ICE guidance applies to holders of F-1 and M-1 visas, which are for academic and vocational students. The State Department issued 388,839 F visas and 9,518 M visas in fiscal 2019, according to the agency’s data.

The guidance does not affect students taking classes in person. It also does not affect F-1 students taking a partial online course-load, as long as their university certifies the student’s instruction is not completely digital. M-1 vocational program students and F-1 English language training program students will not be allowed to take any classes online.

President Donald Trump’s administration has imposed a number of new restrictions to legal and illegal immigration in recent months as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

In June, the administration suspended work visas for a wide swath of nonimmigrant workers that it argued compete with U.S. citizens for jobs. The administration has also effectively suspended the admission of asylum seekers at the southern border with Mexico, citing coronavirus-related health risks as justification.


I don’t see any justification for this, besides xenophobia.
Who does this help? It’s not as if they’d broken the law.
Just another day in America.



Update: The Policy has since been rescinded.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:42 pm

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:44 pm

Does ICE even go after all those bad MS13/bad hombre/rapists trump said were crossing the border.

They seem to be focused on “low hanging” fruit.

For the amount of money they cost.......
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Does ICE even go after all those bad MS13/bad hombre/rapists trump said were crossing the border.

They seem to be focused on “low hanging” fruit.

For the amount of money they cost.......


It's easier to abuse kids. That seems to be their thing.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:50 pm

Honestly this is dumb. Logically consistent with our immigration policy. But dumb.
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Postby Aeritai » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:52 pm

Yep this a bad idea.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:55 pm

Does this also apply to White-Germanic Europeans that Trump keeps trying to invite over?

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Tokora wrote:Does this also apply to White-Germanic Europeans that Trump keeps trying to invite over?


No because this was spurned by brown people derangement syndrome and not logical immigration policy.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:39 pm

Guess the logic is If all the kids classes are on line for the entire semester are online they can do it from home.... with all online classes dorms may be closed. Where do you put the foreign kids.

Bad policy.

course schedules can change, and the kid doesnt get to meet up with their fellow students.
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Postby Huato » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:12 pm

I can't see how this could be justified as at all necessary. Literally what is the reason.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:17 pm

Huato wrote:I can't see how this could be justified as at all necessary. Literally what is the reason.

If all a schools classes are on line, the dorms are probably closed. Where do they put the kids? The kids are better off at home with their families during the covid lock down.

I am more curious if china or europe will allow their kids to come here during the pandemic.
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Postby Huato » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Huato wrote:I can't see how this could be justified as at all necessary. Literally what is the reason.

If all a schools classes are on line, the dorms are probably closed. Where do they put the kids? The kids are better off at home with their families during the covid lock down.

I am more curious if china or europe will allow their kids to come here during the pandemic.

But foreign students being sent back to their home countries? Won't that cause problems due to the time zone differences...?

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Huato wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:If all a schools classes are on line, the dorms are probably closed. Where do they put the kids? The kids are better off at home with their families during the covid lock down.

I am more curious if china or europe will allow their kids to come here during the pandemic.

But foreign students being sent back to their home countries? Won't that cause problems due to the time zone differences...?


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Postby Vallermoore » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:28 pm

As someone else said Trump is all into Make America White Again.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:28 pm

Huato wrote:I can't see how this could be justified as at all necessary. Literally what is the reason.

Pandering to Trump's white supremacist supporters.
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Vallermoore wrote:As someone else said Trump is all into Make America White Again.


Trump: "I'm not racist"

Also Trump:

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•81% of white murder victims are killed by black people
•Mexico isn't sending its best people
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•Vindiman is only accusing me of a quid pro quo because he's having an identity crisis about whether he's Ukranian or American, so he's not really American.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:As someone else said Trump is all into Make America White Again.


Trump: "I'm not racist"

Also Trump:

•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11
•81% of white murder victims are killed by black people
•Mexico isn't sending its best people
•I banned Chinese people to stop covid
•Vindiman is only accusing me of a quid pro quo because he's having an identity crisis about whether he's Ukranian or American, so he's not really American.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:36 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Trump: "I'm not racist"

Also Trump:

•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11
•81% of white murder victims are killed by black people
•Mexico isn't sending its best people
•I banned Chinese people to stop covid
•Vindiman is only accusing me of a quid pro quo because he's having an identity crisis about whether he's Ukranian or American, so he's not really American.

  • KUNG FLU


•ThE bLaCks, ThEy LoVe mE
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:43 pm

Gives schools greater incentive to return to face to face instruction (with proper social distancing measures) rather than risk losing big time on fees paid by foreign students, I guess.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:45 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Gormwood wrote:
  • KUNG FLU


•ThE bLaCks, ThEy LoVe mE

  • wHAT dO yOU hAVE tO lOSE!?
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Does ICE even go after all those bad MS13/bad hombre/rapists trump said were crossing the border.

They seem to be focused on “low hanging” fruit.

For the amount of money they cost.......


Asian Frat boys seem to be the preferred target.
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Greed and Death wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Does ICE even go after all those bad MS13/bad hombre/rapists trump said were crossing the border.

They seem to be focused on “low hanging” fruit.

For the amount of money they cost.......


Asian Frat boys seem to be the preferred target.

Ah, "Protect Our White Women!"
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