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Discussing The St Pauls cathedral bomb plot

Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:01 pm

From SFGATE https://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Woman-g ... 384401.php
LONDON (AP) —

A woman was jailed for life, with a minimum sentence of 14 years, on Friday for plotting to blow up London's St. Paul’s Cathedral, a nearby hotel and a subway train in a suicide attack.

Safiyya Shaikh, 37, extensively researched how to cause maximum carnage at the historic church and visitor attraction. Police said she had planned to leave a bomb in a bag at the cathedral before detonating a suicide vest on a London Underground train.

Her defense lawyers said she had doubts about the plot, but prosecutors disclosed details of a call she made to a friend from prison last week in which she said she “didn’t get cold feet” and “was ready to go through with it.”

The Muslim convert, who was a supporter of the Islamic State group, pleaded guilty to creating a terrorist act and dissemination of a terrorist publication.

Shaikh, born Michelle Ramsden, was arrested in October after she sought help from an undercover officer who posed as a bomb-making expert.

“She engaged with others, who she believed to be of a similar mindset, to instigate and plan a terrorist attack involving the use of improvised explosives to attack St Paul’s Cathedral and a hotel nearby,” prosecutor Alison Morgan said. “She visited the cathedral to assess its security arrangements and the best place to detonate a bomb.”

“She stated that her intention was to kill herself and as many other people as possible,” she added.

Police said Shaikh was also heavily involved in extremist propaganda posts online and inspiring others to fight.

Another attempt at bombing London, though thankfully she was pulled out of the rabbit hole before she carried it out,well anyways if you have any opinions on the subject in question,feel free to do so


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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:04 pm

Put information in OP please.
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A jihadist planned to bomb London again? My shock.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:42 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:A jihadist planned to bomb London again? My shock.

Yeah?

What's the point in making snarky comments?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:26 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:A jihadist planned to bomb London again? My shock.

Yeah?

What's the point in making snarky comments?


Pointing out the obvious of course.

We live in a society.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:31 pm

Please include more in the OP. Talk about the article, give your own opinion, etc.
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Need more info possibly entrapment.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:43 pm

Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:If you have any opinions on the subject,say them here


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It is considered polite, at the very least, for the person starting the thread to give their opinion and to provide more information on the topic. Your BBC link is a start.
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Farnhamia wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:If you have any opinions on the subject,say them here


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https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53264640

It is considered polite, at the very least, for the person starting the thread to give their opinion and to provide more information on the topic. Your BBC link is a start.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:01 pm

Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Another attempt at bombing London,well anyways if you have any opinions on the subject in question,feel free to do so


You still haven't given "your take" ie opinion.

Entrapment seems likely to me, and would be proven if the police provided any drugs to the woman.
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A revert, of course. I can't say I don't sympathise, folks in similar positions have been manipulated into doing some nasty shit, even from here on the left.
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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Another attempt at bombing London,well anyways if you have any opinions on the subject in question,feel free to do so


You still haven't given "your take" ie opinion.

Entrapment seems likely to me, and would be proven if the police provided any drugs to the woman.

... that's not what entrapment is..
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You still haven't given "your take" ie opinion.

Entrapment seems likely to me, and would be proven if the police provided any drugs to the woman.

... that's not what entrapment is..


Get to the point.
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Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:56 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Another attempt at bombing London,well anyways if you have any opinions on the subject in question,feel free to do so


You still haven't given "your take" ie opinion.

Entrapment seems likely to me, and would be proven if the police provided any drugs to the woman.

Well,UK Police have been memed to shit,but maybe my reply to your statement isn't bound by logic
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:43 am

I wonder how many people will assume she's of Middle Eastern ethnicity instead of an Anglo convert? Converts tend to be the most radicalized. The woman is a goddamn Barry.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:08 am

Greed and Death wrote:Need more info possibly entrapment.


Which isn't actually against the law in the UK.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:13 am

Looks like another sting operation. But who know what else might surface.

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Nakena wrote:Sounds like another sting operation.



Doesn't sound like that at all. From the article it's clear she planned it on her own, then sought assistance from undercover cops. That's clear intent on her own accord; not entrapment.
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An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.
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Britannia Maior wrote:An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.

Reeducation is legal in China.
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Gormwood wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.

Reeducation is legal in China.


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Postby Britannia Maior » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:03 am

Gormwood wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.

Reeducation is legal in China.


In China, yes, but not the UK.
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Gormwood wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.

Reeducation is legal in China.

So the Brits should send her to china?
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Gormwood wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:An idiotic and misguided woman who was thankfully stopped in her tracks. Were reeducation legal she would preferably be corrected in that manner but I suppose the best we can hope for is her rehabilitation and de-conversion. Hopefully she’ll drop the Muslim name and give up such idiotic beliefs.

Reeducation is legal in China.


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