Are Afrikaners African?

[Rojava Free State]

Yes.

The more interesting question is: what about when an Afrikaner moves to the United States? Are they African-American? I'd say no: being African-American is a cultural identity and an Afrikaner-American would be considered white, not African-American.

But even more interestingly: are Americans of (recent) Bantu ancestry African-American but not Americans of Afrikaner ancestry?

Regardless of the truth, a black British person of Jamaican decent will still likely be referred as an "African American"

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

Of the 12.6% of United States residents who identified as black, around 10.3% were "native black American" or ethnic African Americans, who are direct descendants of West/Central Africans brought to the U.S. as slaves. These individuals make up well over 80% of all blacks in the country. When including people of mixed-race origin, about 13.5% of the U.S. population self-identified as black or "mixed with black". However, according to the U.S. census bureau, evidence from the 2000 Census indicates that many African and Caribbean immigrant ethnic groups do not identify as "Black, African Am., or Negro". Instead, they wrote in their own respective ethnic groups in the "Some Other Race" write-in entry. As a result, the census bureau devised a new, separate "African American" ethnic group category in 2010 for ethnic African Americans.

[Ideal Britain]

They are African because they have a personal and cultural connection to the soil.
Similarly Anglo-Saxon descendants in Britain for centuries are British rather than German as are British Norman-descended aristocrats.

[Ideal Britain]

They are African because they have a personal and cultural connection to the soil.
Similarly Anglo-Saxon descendants in Britain for centuries are British rather than German as are British Norman-descended aristocrats.

Following the "logic" that Afrikaners are not African, Jamaicans (black, white or Asian) would not exist because the indigenous peoples' of the Carribbean died out.

[Australian rePublic]

Are Afrikaners African? Well, that depends. Are black people American? Decendants of Asian migrants to Australia, are they Australian? I could go on, but I hope you get the point. Yes, Afrikaners are Africans

[Dytarma]

They're African cause they live in Africa, assuming nationality.

[Risottia]

They're African cause they live in Africa, assuming nationality.

Their nationality would be South African. There's no "African" nationality, as Africa isn't a single country, innit?

[Rojava Free State]

They're African cause they live in Africa, assuming nationality.

Their nationality would be South African. There's no "African" nationality, as Africa isn't a single country, innit?

Saw this hood film which was like a loose adaptation of Hamlet, where the main character at the end says "I wanna move to the country of Africa" and this little boy next to him says "Africa is a continent, not a country."

[No State Here]

Regardless of the truth, a black British person of Jamaican decent will still likely be referred as an "African American"

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

Of the 12.6% of United States residents who identified as black, around 10.3% were "native black American" or ethnic African Americans, who are direct descendants of West/Central Africans brought to the U.S. as slaves. These individuals make up well over 80% of all blacks in the country. When including people of mixed-race origin, about 13.5% of the U.S. population self-identified as black or "mixed with black". However, according to the U.S. census bureau, evidence from the 2000 Census indicates that many African and Caribbean immigrant ethnic groups do not identify as "Black, African Am., or Negro". Instead, they wrote in their own respective ethnic groups in the "Some Other Race" write-in entry. As a result, the census bureau devised a new, separate "African American" ethnic group category in 2010 for ethnic African Americans.

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

[SD_Film Artists]

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

Odd, you'd think that the descendents of slaves would be (relatively) richer as they're more established in the culture of the US. Perhaps the recent Africans are arriving in the US by choice with new money, rather than being the kind of Africans who arrive in Italy via an overcrowded dinghy- which while still a choice does have more desperation behind it. The US equivalent of them would be people coming up from South America.

[No State Here]

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

Odd, you'd think that the descendents of slaves would be (relatively) richer as they're more established in the culture of the US. Perhaps the recent Africans are arriving in the US by choice with new money, rather than being the kind of Africans who arrive in Italy via an overcrowded dinghy- which while still a choice does have more desperation behind it. The US equivalent of them would be people coming up from South America.

Nigerian-Americans are one of the highest paid groups in the US. Africans who come to Europe are very different from those that buy a plane ticket, get a visa, and fly to the US.

[Ideal Britain]

Their nationality would be South African. There's no "African" nationality, as Africa isn't a single country, innit?

Saw this hood film which was like a loose adaptation of Hamlet, where the main character at the end says "I wanna move to the country of Africa" and this little boy next to him says "Africa is a continent, not a country."

Cool.
Hamlet-esque revenge stories now actually happen much more in the hood than in the aristocracy of Europe

[Aureumterra]

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

2 million iq

[The Archbishopric of York]

They are African because they have a personal and cultural connection to the soil.
Similarly Anglo-Saxon descendants in Britain for centuries are British rather than German as are British Norman-descended aristocrats.

Probably not the best analogy, given that the Anglo-Saxons' contribution to the gene pool of the modern English people is quite small. The modern English are largely the same people that inhabited what's now England prior to the Anglo-Saxons' arrival, genetically speaking; we aren't really Anglo-Saxons so much as anglicised Britons. Not that I disagree that Afrikaners are African, but there are better parallels that you could draw.

[Ideal Britain]

They are African because they have a personal and cultural connection to the soil.
Similarly Anglo-Saxon descendants in Britain for centuries are British rather than German as are British Norman-descended aristocrats.

Probably not the best analogy, given that the Anglo-Saxons' contribution to the gene pool of the modern English people is quite small. The modern English are largely the same people that inhabited what's now England prior to the Anglo-Saxons' arrival, genetically speaking; we aren't really Anglo-Saxons so much as anglicised Britons. Not that I disagree that Afrikaners are African, but there are better parallels that you could draw.

I believe those cultures were patrilineal.
Meaning that according to them: a female Briton and male Anglo-Saxon made an Anglo-Saxon

[The Archbishopric of York]

Probably not the best analogy, given that the Anglo-Saxons' contribution to the gene pool of the modern English people is quite small. The modern English are largely the same people that inhabited what's now England prior to the Anglo-Saxons' arrival, genetically speaking; we aren't really Anglo-Saxons so much as anglicised Britons. Not that I disagree that Afrikaners are African, but there are better parallels that you could draw.

I believe those cultures were patrilineal.
Meaning that according to them: a female Briton and male Anglo-Saxon made an Anglo-Saxon

That's total nonsense and has no relation to the fact that the modern English population are primarily descended from the Romano-Britons rather than from Anglo-Saxon settlers.

[Rojava Free State]

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

African American English is basically the descendant of old southern English. If you listen to old recordings of southerners, especially Southern aristocracy, from before the mid 20th century, they sound alot like how old black people sound. It makes sense tbh. So while white southern English evolved into what it is today, African American English kept its non rhotic nature.

[Rojava Free State]

Saw this hood film which was like a loose adaptation of Hamlet, where the main character at the end says "I wanna move to the country of Africa" and this little boy next to him says "Africa is a continent, not a country."

Cool.
Hamlet-esque revenge stories now actually happen much more in the hood than in the aristocracy of Europe

Tell me about it. I got caught in the middle of one of those stories a few years ago and the entire summer was like Romeo and Juliet minus the romance. Like just keep the violent confrontations of the story and you got what happened then. Motherfuckers getting shot, stabbed and beat up over a guy being called a thirsty vulture.

[Atheris]

Their nationality would be South African. There's no "African" nationality, as Africa isn't a single country, innit?

Saw this hood film which was like a loose adaptation of Hamlet, where the main character at the end says "I wanna move to the country of Africa" and this little boy next to him says "Africa is a continent, not a country."

It's also a big continent if you're a geographer...

[Cetacea]

Regardless of the truth, a black British person of Jamaican decent will still likely be referred as an "African American"

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

Of the 12.6% of United States residents who identified as black, around 10.3% were "native black American" or ethnic African Americans, who are direct descendants of West/Central Africans brought to the U.S. as slaves. These individuals make up well over 80% of all blacks in the country. When including people of mixed-race origin, about 13.5% of the U.S. population self-identified as black or "mixed with black". However, according to the U.S. census bureau, evidence from the 2000 Census indicates that many African and Caribbean immigrant ethnic groups do not identify as "Black, African Am., or Negro". Instead, they wrote in their own respective ethnic groups in the "Some Other Race" write-in entry. As a result, the census bureau devised a new, separate "African American" ethnic group category in 2010 for ethnic African Americans.

The whole Caribbean identity thing is fascinating, particularly with the identity of Jamaicans in New York and the like.

Your definition of African-American as descendants of African slaves in America also applies to Jamaicans etc (the Caribbean is in the Americas) and figures like Marcus Garvey and Bob Marley (see Buffalo Soldier) both spoke of pan-africanism amongst the Black diaspora in the Americas.

Nonetheless there is a reluctance from Jamaicans and others to fully adopt a ‘Black/African-American’ identity and in fact a stronger drive towards identifying African origin (Ghana, Nigeria and Benin/Togo)

[Rojava Free State]

Actually African American in the US refers to American descendants of slaves. It's why our census says "black/African American," because African immigrants at least are not considered to be african american but they are black american.

From the wikipedia article pertaining to African-Americans:

The whole Caribbean identity thing is fascinating, particularly with the identity of Jamaicans in New York and the like.

Your definition of African-American as descendants of African slaves in America also applies to Jamaicans etc (the Caribbean is in the Americas) and figures like Marcus Garvey and Bob Marley (see Buffalo Soldier) both spoke of pan-africanism amongst the Black diaspora in the Americas.

Nonetheless there is a reluctance from Jamaicans and others to fully adopt a ‘Black/African-American’ identity and in fact a stronger drive towards identifying African origin (Ghana, Nigeria and Benin/Togo)

I view Carribean people as like sister ethnicites to African Americans. They all formed due to the trans Atlantic slave trade but the cultures are somewhat different. Black American english sounds like southern US English, whereas Barbadian English is heavily Irish influenced. And black american music is somewhat different although related.

[New Bremerton]

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

African American English is basically the descendant of old southern English. If you listen to old recordings of southerners, especially Southern aristocracy, from before the mid 20th century, they sound alot like how old black people sound. It makes sense tbh. So while white southern English evolved into what it is today, African American English kept its non rhotic nature.

Ta-Nehisi Coates and MLK Jr. have this really quaint, upper-class-sounding speech pattern that, while still southern, sounds nothing like your typical, working-class, inner-city Ebonics, particularly when combined with standard English grammar. Think Hannibal Lecter or Arcturus Mengsk, or your typical white, southern slave-owning aristocrat. All villains, incidentally. It's a southern version of the British-influenced, non-rhotic, Mid-Atlantic accent that Roosevelt and Kennedy affected in their speeches. Rather than assimilate completely and lose their ethnolect, a combination of slavery, Jim Crow, and the constant desire to rebel against a status quo they feel is stacked against them has led African-Americans to retain their distinct culture, dialect and accent to this very day.

Like him or hate him, Coates' accent is very fascinating to listen to. His debating partner, Coleman Hughes, speaks with a more standard, General American accent. I predict Ebonics and the AAVE accent will evolve into more of an urban working-class phenomenon and less of a race-based ethnolect 50 years from now. America will have its very own Cockney accent.

Speaking of accents, and just to segue back to the topic at hand, white Afrikaners don't sound anything like their black counterparts, whereas white Jamaicans talk exactly like Sean Paul. Apartheid seems to have ingrained in white South Africans a sense of cultural separateness even 26 years since its dismantling.

Afrikaners are just one subgroup of white South Africans though. South Africa also has whites of mainly British descent whose native language is English rather than Dutch. These Anglophone whites have far less of a cohesive, ethnic identity and emotional connection to the land than the Dutch-speaking Afrikaners, but that doesn't make them any less African. They also tend to have somewhat less of a Dutch inflection. It's a little closer to a NZ accent or a quaint, southern English accent as it was spoken a century ago. Maybe the Dutch accent may end up becoming a working-class phenomenon among white South Africans. After all, the British subjugated and partially exterminated the Boers in 1898. I suspect there is also a considerable degree of cultural, linguistic, and genetic admixture between the two white subgroups.

This only reinforces the idea that Dutch-speaking Afrikaners are African, much more so than the British who arrived later. They are a distinct ethnic group native to South Africa who can trace their ancestry to the Boers, Trekboers, and Voortrekkers of a bygone era. Too bad their long-time insistence that they are nothing like the supposedly inferior blacks that outnumber them simultaneously undermines their case for many years to come. It doesn't help that certain elements within the far-right, black nationalist establishment are lusting for bloody vengeance and calling for the deaths of "Boers" for crimes that were committed a generation ago.

[Rojava Free State]

African American English is basically the descendant of old southern English. If you listen to old recordings of southerners, especially Southern aristocracy, from before the mid 20th century, they sound alot like how old black people sound. It makes sense tbh. So while white southern English evolved into what it is today, African American English kept its non rhotic nature.

Ta-Nehisi Coates and MLK Jr. have this really quaint, upper-class-sounding speech pattern that, while still southern, sounds nothing like your typical, working-class, inner-city Ebonics, particularly when combined with standard English grammar. Think Hannibal Lecter or Arcturus Mengsk, or your typical white, southern slave-owning aristocrat. All villains, incidentally. It's a southern version of the British-influenced, non-rhotic, Mid-Atlantic accent that Roosevelt and Kennedy affected in their speeches. Rather than assimilate completely and lose their ethnolect, a combination of slavery, Jim Crow, and the constant desire to rebel against a status quo they feel is stacked against them has led African-Americans to retain their distinct culture, dialect and accent to this very day.

Like him or hate him, Coates' accent is very fascinating to listen to. His debating partner, Coleman Hughes, speaks with a more standard, General American accent. I predict Ebonics and the AAVE accent will evolve into more of an urban working-class phenomenon and less of a race-based ethnolect 50 years from now. America will have its very own Cockney accent.

Speaking of accents, and just to segue back to the topic at hand, white Afrikaners don't sound anything like their black counterparts, whereas white Jamaicans talk exactly like Sean Paul. Apartheid seems to have ingrained in white South Africans a sense of cultural separateness even 26 years since its dismantling.

Afrikaners are just one subgroup of white South Africans though. South Africa also has whites of mainly British descent whose native language is English rather than Dutch. These Anglophone whites have far less of a cohesive, ethnic identity and emotional connection to the land than the Dutch-speaking Afrikaners, but that doesn't make them any less African. They also tend to have somewhat less of a Dutch inflection. It's a little closer to a NZ accent or a quaint, southern English accent as it was spoken a century ago. Maybe the Dutch accent may end up becoming a working-class phenomenon among white South Africans. After all, the British subjugated and partially exterminated the Boers in 1898. I suspect there is also a considerable degree of cultural, linguistic, and genetic admixture between the two white subgroups.

This only reinforces the idea that Dutch-speaking Afrikaners are African, much more so than the British who arrived later. They are a distinct ethnic group native to South Africa who can trace their ancestry to the Boers, Trekboers, and Voortrekkers of a bygone era. Too bad their long-time insistence that they are nothing like the supposedly inferior blacks that outnumber them simultaneously undermines their case for many years to come. It doesn't help that certain elements within the far-right, black nationalist establishment are lusting for bloody vengeance and calling for the deaths of "Boers" for crimes that were committed a generation ago.

MLK's accent was indistinguishable from the old southern english that white people spoke.

[Ideal Britain]

I believe those cultures were patrilineal.
Meaning that according to them: a female Briton and male Anglo-Saxon made an Anglo-Saxon

That's total nonsense and has no relation to the fact that the modern English population are primarily descended from the Romano-Britons rather than from Anglo-Saxon settlers.

If it's nonsense what are you're sources.
also it affects how those cultures self-defined

[The Blaatschapen]

African American English is basically the descendant of old southern English. If you listen to old recordings of southerners, especially Southern aristocracy, from before the mid 20th century, they sound alot like how old black people sound. It makes sense tbh. So while white southern English evolved into what it is today, African American English kept its non rhotic nature.

Ta-Nehisi Coates and MLK Jr. have this really quaint, upper-class-sounding speech pattern that, while still southern, sounds nothing like your typical, working-class, inner-city Ebonics, particularly when combined with standard English grammar. Think Hannibal Lecter or Arcturus Mengsk, or your typical white, southern slave-owning aristocrat. All villains, incidentally. It's a southern version of the British-influenced, non-rhotic, Mid-Atlantic accent that Roosevelt and Kennedy affected in their speeches. Rather than assimilate completely and lose their ethnolect, a combination of slavery, Jim Crow, and the constant desire to rebel against a status quo they feel is stacked against them has led African-Americans to retain their distinct culture, dialect and accent to this very day.

Like him or hate him, Coates' accent is very fascinating to listen to. His debating partner, Coleman Hughes, speaks with a more standard, General American accent. I predict Ebonics and the AAVE accent will evolve into more of an urban working-class phenomenon and less of a race-based ethnolect 50 years from now. America will have its very own Cockney accent.

Speaking of accents, and just to segue back to the topic at hand, white Afrikaners don't sound anything like their black counterparts, whereas white Jamaicans talk exactly like Sean Paul. Apartheid seems to have ingrained in white South Africans a sense of cultural separateness even 26 years since its dismantling.

Afrikaners are just one subgroup of white South Africans though. South Africa also has whites of mainly British descent whose native language is English rather than Dutch. These Anglophone whites have far less of a cohesive, ethnic identity and emotional connection to the land than the Dutch-speaking Afrikaners, but that doesn't make them any less African. They also tend to have somewhat less of a Dutch inflection. It's a little closer to a NZ accent or a quaint, southern English accent as it was spoken a century ago. Maybe the Dutch accent may end up becoming a working-class phenomenon among white South Africans. After all, the British subjugated and partially exterminated the Boers in 1898. I suspect there is also a considerable degree of cultural, linguistic, and genetic admixture between the two white subgroups.

This only reinforces the idea that Dutch-speaking Afrikaners are African, much more so than the British who arrived later. They are a distinct ethnic group native to South Africa who can trace their ancestry to the Boers, Trekboers, and Voortrekkers of a bygone era. Too bad their long-time insistence that they are nothing like the supposedly inferior blacks that outnumber them simultaneously undermines their case for many years to come. It doesn't help that certain elements within the far-right, black nationalist establishment are lusting for bloody vengeance and calling for the deaths of "Boers" for crimes that were committed a generation ago.

Afrikaners' native language is not Dutch. It's Afrikaans.

[Auze]

You can also see the sharp divide in society, it’s pretty clear who's a descendant of slaves and who’s a recent immigrant from Africa. Oftentimes, African immigrants tend to be far wealthier, similar to Indians, and have well paying white collar jobs. There’s also a distinct dialect very similar to Southern English which is spoken by African Americans descended from slaves.

Unrelated, but I’ve heard people say Nelson Mandela was "the first African American president of South Africa"

African American English is basically the descendant of old southern English. If you listen to old recordings of southerners, especially Southern aristocracy, from before the mid 20th century, they sound alot like how old black people sound. It makes sense tbh. So while white southern English evolved into what it is today, African American English kept its non rhotic nature.

Southern English is still non-rhotic in the South-East region