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Corporal Punishment -A Parental Right or Wrong?

Postby State of Turelisa » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:34 pm

One of the eternal debates is whether parents have the right to physically chastise their children to punish them for misbehaviour, and the mass hooliganism of mostly young 'protesting' adults lately in the UK in which public property has been destroyed and police assaulted with missiles has revived the debate.
There are some older people, including me, who understand intuitively this violent antisocial behaviour springs from impulses which were unchecked in childhoods where traditional parental discipline was absent. We have seen the pragmatic common-sense upon which corporal punishment is based and the total, inalienable authority of parents over their children that enables it, superseded by the notion of inalienable human rights which has become enshrined in law, making physical punishment a form of child abuse.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... viral.html

Is this child abuse? The Caribbean mother of the girl aged twelve defended her behaviour to the media by explaining her daughter had been unmanageable since her husband abandoned his family. Despite seeking psychological intervention for her daughter, her behaviour had escalated and that she had hit her daughter with a belt in the last resort after discovering she had been exchanging sexually charged messages and indecent photographs on Facebook with a teenage boy who she had met at school.
Her daughter has since apparently learnt the errors of her behaviour. In a message to the media, she said she was sorry for the shame which her behaviour had inflicted upon her mother, and had a message of appeal for other girls to learn from the video of her beating.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:41 pm

I don't entirely understand what this argument implies.

You're stating that corporal punishment for children is acceptable because of examples of people who were not punished that way during childhood?

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Postby South Reinkalistan » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:43 pm

Beating children just results in further animosity between parent and child. It is, to all intents and purposes, child abuse.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:45 pm

Corporal punishment is only acceptable on adults.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:45 am

Disclaimer: I didn't watch the video. I've been triggered by similar content in the past. In fact, I strongly suggest you include a non-PG-13 warning next to your link if you don't want to get reported.

My Asian parents used to beat me a lot when I was a kid, right up until I was about 14 and I began to physically lash out in response, and being a dude helped. While I recognize that they love me and wanted the best for me and I've forgiven them for it, it still doesn't make it right.

The more you beat someone, the more you teach them that might makes right. A parent beating a child into submission is no different than a Chinese police officer punching and kicking a woman for not wearing a face mask. It's no different than a jealous, vindictive god opening up the earth beneath a village of men, women, and children because he doesn't like what they do in bed.

All this for a non-violent transgression by her daughter. This bitch should be in jail for at least 10-15 years for child abuse. No excuses. It's 2020, not 1990. One day, her daughter's going to grow up and hit her back. In the meantime, social services should take her in. What she could've done as a very last resort is something along these lines.
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Postby Political Geography » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:47 am

It works on very small children I think. You have to stop when it stops working.
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Postby -Astoria » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:48 am

It is a wrong; let us call it for what it is - physical abuse.

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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 am

As far as I am concerned the issue is not as simple as the OP or public makes it out to be. Some degree of corporal punishment is indeed a good thing. Pain teaches. It is literally natures way to teach us what to do and what not to do. And it is foolish to reject it as a teaching tool because of this. The problem is when it crosses over from that and into beating. A slap across the face can be a learning experience. But the only thing broken ribs will teach you is that might makes right.

This of course is assuming we are talking about children that do not have severe behavioral problems. But like normal children. If you have children that are just severely deranged and act out like little monsters than frankly I don't know what you can do. And part of me thinks they are just beyond fixing. But that's a different discussion.
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Postby Hobbes Dystopia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:05 am

Beating children does not produce lasting results, only produces a fragile relationship built almost entirely on fear. Also, it is ethically wrong.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:27 am

The lesson it teaches is get your own way by hitting people.
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Postby Political Geography » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:38 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The lesson it teaches is get your own way by hitting people.


Parents "hit" their children when they do something wrong. AFTER. So parents don't get their own way. They punish children.

So isn't it more like punish people for doing what you don't like, by hitting them?
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:42 am

I have some extremely vile things to say about people who support corporal punishment that will obviously get me banned by the ban hammer of Reploid or by other means of mod intervention. Anyways, corporal punishment is abuse and there are studies that prove that spanking decreases children's IQ. If you want your child to be a dumb unquestioning slave that will obey all your commands including things such as "kill your grandmother", then sure, spank them. If not, then don't.
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:44 am

Political Geography wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The lesson it teaches is get your own way by hitting people.


Parents "hit" their children when they do something wrong. AFTER. So parents don't get their own way. They punish children.

So isn't it more like punish people for doing what you don't like, by hitting them?

The thing is, who gets to decide what is "wrong"? Is voting for Trump wrong? How about accidentally making a hammer and sickle sign using hand gestures?
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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:
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Parents "hit" their children when they do something wrong. AFTER. So parents don't get their own way. They punish children.

So isn't it more like punish people for doing what you don't like, by hitting them?

The thing is, who gets to decide what is "wrong"? Is voting for Trump wrong? How about accidentally making a hammer and sickle sign using hand gestures?


The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.
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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:I have some extremely vile things to say about people who support corporal punishment that will obviously get me banned by the ban hammer of Reploid or by other means of mod intervention. Anyways, corporal punishment is abuse and there are studies that prove that spanking decreases children's IQ. If you want your child to be a dumb unquestioning slave that will obey all your commands including things such as "kill your grandmother", then sure, spank them. If not, then don't.


Show this study that spanking reduces IQ, please.
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Political Geography wrote:
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:I have some extremely vile things to say about people who support corporal punishment that will obviously get me banned by the ban hammer of Reploid or by other means of mod intervention. Anyways, corporal punishment is abuse and there are studies that prove that spanking decreases children's IQ. If you want your child to be a dumb unquestioning slave that will obey all your commands including things such as "kill your grandmother", then sure, spank them. If not, then don't.


Show this study that spanking reduces IQ, please.

https://www.livescience.com/7895-childr ... d-iqs.html

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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:The thing is, who gets to decide what is "wrong"? Is voting for Trump wrong? How about accidentally making a hammer and sickle sign using hand gestures?


The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.

It doesn't quite hit as an eye for an eye, doesn't it? You are a damn adult, way stronger than a child is. What if instead the little sister hits them as an eye for an eye punishment?
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Postby Political Geography » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:54 am

Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:
Political Geography wrote:
Show this study that spanking reduces IQ, please.

https://www.livescience.com/7895-childr ... d-iqs.html

Political Geography wrote:
The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.

It doesn't quite hit as an eye for an eye, doesn't it? You are a damn adult, way stronger than a child is. What if instead the little sister hits them as an eye for an eye punishment?


I never said "eye for an eye" and the example you gave shows why.
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:56 am

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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:https://www.livescience.com/7895-childr ... d-iqs.html


It doesn't quite hit as an eye for an eye, doesn't it? You are a damn adult, way stronger than a child is. What if instead the little sister hits them as an eye for an eye punishment?


I never said "eye for an eye" and the example you gave shows why.

Spanking a child for hitting another child (while you are an adult) is definitely excessive for an "eye for an eye" punishment, which I support partially.
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Political Geography wrote:
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:I have some extremely vile things to say about people who support corporal punishment that will obviously get me banned by the ban hammer of Reploid or by other means of mod intervention. Anyways, corporal punishment is abuse and there are studies that prove that spanking decreases children's IQ. If you want your child to be a dumb unquestioning slave that will obey all your commands including things such as "kill your grandmother", then sure, spank them. If not, then don't.


Show this study that spanking reduces IQ, please.

Here.

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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:[...] is definitely excessive for an "eye for an eye" punishment, which I support partially.

...which makes the world go blind.

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Postby Celestiam » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:58 am

In most civilised countries, beating your partner is a crime that can land you in jail. Going out on the street and beating someone else will get you anything from strange looks to a jail sentence. Beating other people's kids' is also criminal.

The very idea that one can except to these natural laws when it pertains to their own children is flabbergasting. No, you don't have a moral right to hit people, regardless of what's in their DNA or how long they've been born for. Is it really that hard?

We have seen the pragmatic common-sense upon which corporal punishment is based and the total, inalienable authority of parents over their children that enables it, superseded by the notion of inalienable human rights which has become enshrined in law, making physical punishment a form of child abuse.


The basis of a liberal democracy is that the Law supersedes your individual wishes. It's called the Rule of Law. I will assume the best of you and therefore assume that you do not support the total inalienable parental authority you describe. I will therefore constructively ask where you think the limit stands, and why do acts that qualify as criminal outside the parent-child relationship become morally correct within it?

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-Astoria wrote:
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:[...] is definitely excessive for an "eye for an eye" punishment, which I support partially.

...which makes the world go blind.

that's why I said partially.
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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:The thing is, who gets to decide what is "wrong"? Is voting for Trump wrong? How about accidentally making a hammer and sickle sign using hand gestures?


The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.


I’m sorry, but how exactly do you teach a child that hitting people is wrong by hitting them?
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:01 am

Dazchan wrote:
Political Geography wrote:
The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.


I’m sorry, but how exactly do you teach a child that hitting people is wrong by hitting them?

Oh boy this would backfire so badly.
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