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What do you think

The police officer was completely wrong
14
11%
The police officer was completely right
6
5%
The police officer was right to arrest the man, but the force was excessive
24
19%
Other (please state)
2
2%
Protesters should have the right to protest during a pandemic
16
13%
Protestors should not have the right to protest during a pandemic
19
15%
Other (please state)
4
3%
I support the cause of protestors
23
18%
I oppose the cause of protestors
15
12%
Other (please state)
4
3%
 
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Postby Slavakino » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:38 am

Australian rePublic wrote:If these protestors make us go back under lockdown, I'm gonna be pissed...

I swear to god if that happens again
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:12 am

Slavakino wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:If these protestors make us go back under lockdown, I'm gonna be pissed...

I swear to god if that happens again

Well, a lot of people are planning to go to the football and call it a protest. I don't know how many of them are serious
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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:24 am

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No its an issue of police brutality in a racist system - that absolutely applies to the deaths of Aboriginal people in the custofy ol Australian police.


Why is it called BLM though? Your issues are similar to ours but also much different and I don't think you can just slap a label from a foreign country on it and say it works. It would be like if Palestinians protested police brutality by saying black lives matter. They aren't black so it makes no sense.

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Postby -Astoria » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:38 am

Ideal Britain wrote:They’re blacker than the white Jews at the top of Israel, both phenotypically and literally.
So are Mizrahi Jews (the type Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus peace be upon them all, would be).
Both are oppressed by white-supremacist Israel.

what

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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:39 am

-Astoria wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:They’re blacker than the white Jews at the top of Israel, both phenotypically and literally.
So are Mizrahi Jews (the type Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus peace be upon them all, would be).
Both are oppressed by white-supremacist Israel.

what

They mentioned Palestinians
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:41 pm

If these protests cause another lockdown, I don't thibk it'll be enforceable. At least here in Australia. Too many people will be pissed that the BLM protestors caused a huge spike in cases and conduct their own protests. I hope whoever had decided that NSW should legalise protests had taken that into account
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:27 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cetacea wrote:
No its an issue of police brutality in a racist system - that absolutely applies to the deaths of Aboriginal people in the custofy ol Australian police.


Why is it called BLM though?

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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:30 pm

This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:15 am

Australian rePublic wrote:If these protests cause another lockdown, I don't thibk it'll be enforceable. At least here in Australia. Too many people will be pissed that the BLM protestors caused a huge spike in cases and conduct their own protests. I hope whoever had decided that NSW should legalise protests had taken that into account


I think these BLM protesters (and right-wing, anti-lockdown protesters) should be allowed to protest provided they observe strict social distancing and all of them are required to wear face masks. In either case, they should all be fined anyway, but no arrests should be made for gathering illegally. I think Australia has managed to strike the right kind of balance between respecting people's right to freedom of assembly and public health. We don't want to spread the virus, but we don't want to go down the same road as Hong Kong, where the Wuhan coronavirus has given Carrie Lam an excuse to ban all protests against it and Beijing.

In Malaysia, a small protest consisting of barely a dozen people, all of whom wore masks and observed the one-meter physical distancing rule, was reported by staff at a nearby hospital. Arrests were made and participants were charged with violating lockdown rules. There was no public outcry. These people were protesting working conditions IIRC. This is going too far IMO.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:33 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:If these protests cause another lockdown, I don't thibk it'll be enforceable. At least here in Australia. Too many people will be pissed that the BLM protestors caused a huge spike in cases and conduct their own protests. I hope whoever had decided that NSW should legalise protests had taken that into account


I think these BLM protesters (and right-wing, anti-lockdown protesters) should be allowed to protest provided they observe strict social distancing and all of them are required to wear face masks. In either case, they should all be fined anyway, but no arrests should be made for gathering illegally. I think Australia has managed to strike the right kind of balance between respecting people's right to freedom of assembly and public health. We don't want to spread the virus, but we don't want to go down the same road as Hong Kong, where the Wuhan coronavirus has given Carrie Lam an excuse to ban all protests against it and Beijing.

In Malaysia, a small protest consisting of barely a dozen people, all of whom wore masks and observed the one-meter physical distancing rule, was reported by staff at a nearby hospital. Arrests were made and participants were charged with violating lockdown rules. There was no public outcry. These people were protesting working conditions IIRC. This is going too far IMO.

Protesting is perfectly legal in Australia. There are calls for protestors to self-isolate (not gonna happen, because it's not enforced), and I would highly support that
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:57 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:
I think these BLM protesters (and right-wing, anti-lockdown protesters) should be allowed to protest provided they observe strict social distancing and all of them are required to wear face masks. In either case, they should all be fined anyway, but no arrests should be made for gathering illegally. I think Australia has managed to strike the right kind of balance between respecting people's right to freedom of assembly and public health. We don't want to spread the virus, but we don't want to go down the same road as Hong Kong, where the Wuhan coronavirus has given Carrie Lam an excuse to ban all protests against it and Beijing.

In Malaysia, a small protest consisting of barely a dozen people, all of whom wore masks and observed the one-meter physical distancing rule, was reported by staff at a nearby hospital. Arrests were made and participants were charged with violating lockdown rules. There was no public outcry. These people were protesting working conditions IIRC. This is going too far IMO.

Protesting is perfectly legal in Australia. There are calls for protestors to self-isolate (not gonna happen, because it's not enforced), and I would highly support that


I think they should self-isolate too. Australia is not the United States. There just isn't the kind of public anger we've seen Stateside. Your police also seem far more restrained and professional compared to U.S. police officers. The same goes for UK police, Malaysian police, and until recently, HK police. Police brutality seems to be less of an issue in a number of Commonwealth countries.
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Postby -Astoria » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:29 am

New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.

As for the source that the "evidence" came from...

Anyway, I'll need yet another bingo card for this; I'll be back in a minute with a more comprehensive reply...god almighty is that post an incoherent screed

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:13 am

New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.


First off there still is systemic injustice. Just because other places are worse doesn't mean it doesn't exist here, especially when you consider how the police have reacted to peaceful protesters in NYC, Indianapolis, Los Angeles and Washington DC.

Also BDS isn't a hate group or antisemitic. Israel isn't owed constant funding and support.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:28 am

New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.


Sigh. If there is such a thing as White Lives Matter, they should have protested in the street. You finding fault with BLM for the failure of a (possibly non-existent) group to take any action, is simply entitlement. "BLM don't represent people like me, therefore they shouldn't exist at all". Let's go right down that path shall we. Nobody can protest about anything, ever, unless they protest on behalf of every little cause there is.

You can see the danger of peacefully protesting, it's not nothing, yet you dismiss them as "cringe".

When the government comes for you, don't expect black people to stand up for you. Stand up for yourself, like a damn adult.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:33 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.


Sigh. If there is such a thing as White Lives Matter, they should have protested in the street. You finding fault with BLM for the failure of a (possibly non-existent) group to take any action, is simply entitlement. "BLM don't represent people like me, therefore they shouldn't exist at all". Let's go right down that path shall we. Nobody can protest about anything, ever, unless they protest on behalf of every little cause there is.

You can see the danger of peacefully protesting, it's not nothing, yet you dismiss them as "cringe".

When the government comes for you, don't expect black people to stand up for you. Stand up for yourself, like a damn adult.


I'm gonna go protest today at dodge park...just protest about everything I hate, cause I wanna be fair for New Bremerton.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:34 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Protesting is perfectly legal in Australia. There are calls for protestors to self-isolate (not gonna happen, because it's not enforced), and I would highly support that


I think they should self-isolate too. Australia is not the United States. There just isn't the kind of public anger we've seen Stateside. Your police also seem far more restrained and professional compared to U.S. police officers. The same goes for UK police, Malaysian police, and until recently, HK police. Police brutality seems to be less of an issue in a number of Commonwealth countries.

They won't, though
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:19 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.


Sigh. If there is such a thing as White Lives Matter, they should have protested in the street. You finding fault with BLM for the failure of a (possibly non-existent) group to take any action, is simply entitlement. "BLM don't represent people like me, therefore they shouldn't exist at all". Let's go right down that path shall we. Nobody can protest about anything, ever, unless they protest on behalf of every little cause there is.

You can see the danger of peacefully protesting, it's not nothing, yet you dismiss them as "cringe".

When the government comes for you, don't expect black people to stand up for you. Stand up for yourself, like a damn adult.


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BLM is protesting about something that literally doesn't exist anymore in America and some European countries, but still does in Malaysia, China, the Middle East, and probably Eastern Europe as well. If these protests were solely about police brutality, they would have my unconditional support, because cops in the United States are actually pretty fucking violent. But because they just had to bring race into the equation, I don't feel particularly compelled to side with or against those who are protesting in Minneapolis and other American cities. Are they right to call for the dismantling of institutionally corrupt and unrestrained police forces in their places of residence? Maybe, and I don't blame them given all the violent shit they've been put through, including black protesters. American BLM protesters are right about some things (police brutality) but dead wrong about others (so-called "institutional or systemic racism"). I don't take sides as a result.

When it comes to similar protests in the UK, Australia, and other countries where institutional racism is merely a figment of people's imaginations and local police are far more restrained and professional than they are in America, I do not support them one bit. If similar protests were to occur in my home country where racial injustice is literally and explicitly enshrined into law, I would, of course, feel very differently. There are also "black" people in my country, namely the indigenous Orang Asli, who are being persecuted by Malay-Muslim religious bigots in government and deserve all the sympathy and support in the world. I would support a "BLM" protest movement in Malaysia as long as it doesn't attempt to falsely link it to the American BLM demonstrations. No two countries are the same and there is no one-size-fits-all-model of fighting against injustice of any sort.

The difference between America and a non-Western country like Malaysia that doesn't cherish true diversity and multiculturalism is that racism is universally frowned upon and white supremacy is rightly considered a fringe ideology that deserves to be consigned to the history books. In Malaysia, institutional racism and discrimination, and Islamic theocracy, are OPENLY and OFFICIALLY practiced and promoted by the government and thousands of people take to the streets to demonstrate in SUPPORT of racism and the preservation of Malay and Muslim supremacy over their non-Muslim inferiors. Far-right Malay politicians have openly incited hatred against ethnic Chinese and non-Muslims from time to time, legal action is taken against those who dare to challenge the status quo e.g. 11 years jail for "insulting Islam", and religious extremists attempt to impose sharia on non-Muslims by the backdoor.

BLM, like Antifa, Women's March, and other far-left movements, is allied to radical Islamists, known antisemites, and Islamist terror groups. They implicitly enable the kind of racist bullshit that occurs in my country and across the entirety of the Muslim world by labeling critics of Islam as racists and "Islamophobes" and turning a blind eye to the Muslim persecution of non-Muslims.

As well, all this incendiary talk of "white privilege", "white tears", and "white feelings" only serves to inflame racial tensions even further. All of my white friends and classmates from high school and college are inherently racist and privileged? The white (and at one point, Jewish) girls in my class whom I happened to have crushes on are all racist bigots who need to "check their privilege" and stop shedding "white crocodile tears"? That's absolutely disgusting. It also reminds me of how racist, Malay politicians tell Malaysian Chinese to stop whining about our "privilege". It's just plain racist.

Instead of insisting on discriminatory, race-based "affirmative action" that also singles out Asian-Americans as collateral because "white man bad" (similar to what we have here in Malaysia), advocating vindictive "reparations" over something that happened over 150 years ago, and trying to collectively tear down and humiliate an entire race simply for the "crime" of being white, just like radical feminists in the West are attempting to do to men like myself (a war crime according to the very discredited and geopoliticized "international law" that leftists love to champion), BLM and Antifa could be working to unite ordinary people of all races, faiths, genders, and creeds with the aim of improving the rights of everyone and fighting fascism as one. Black Lives Matter. Infidel Lives Matter. ALL Lives Matter.

All this talk of "racial injustice" from dogmatic BLM supporters is nothing more than a big, fat lie coming from ironically privileged, college-educated leftists with nothing better to do. Oh, and come to think of it, now I know what Tucker Carlson means when he talks about rich, college-educated, out-of-touch people manipulating poor minorities into feeling oppressed in order to enrich themselves financially and entrench themselves politically, similar to what happened when Remainers attempted to paint their pro-Brexit opponents as racist bigots in order to avert Brexit. BLM is one such perfect vehicle. MeToo is yet another. Corporations such as Google, Starbucks, NBA, CNN, and others are all willing to do their bit and acquiesce to the mob of far-left public opinion. Other college-educated leftists genuinely feel the need to virtue-signal to the mob in order to be accepted as "one of them", especially if they're white and male.

Black Lives Matter is not only racist against whites. It's also racist against people of color, as evidenced by your response to me telling me I shouldn't expect any outside help, and by the virtue-signaling disingenuousness of the abovementioned groups. Progressive causes such as BLM and MeToo are a form of emotional blackmail and manipulation calculated to win votes every four years. BLM is a political tool. Nothing more.

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Firstly, don't generalize all black people. Believe it or not, not all black people share your leftist faux-concern for minorities except when it isn't convenient to do so. Not all black people are oppressed, and not all white people are privileged. Imagine a rich, black woman telling a white, male beggar he needs to "check his privilege". That is all kinds of fucked-up right there. This is the kind of bullshit Black Lives Matter stands for, no matter how much activists like to pretend otherwise. This is on top of many of them holding deep-seated antisemitic views and joining forces with various other antisemitic groups on the far-left (i.e. Women's March) and even the far-right (i.e. Nation of Islam), thereby proving the validity of the horseshoe theory, and then hiding behind Bernie Sanders in order to "prove" they're somehow not racist.

Secondly, don't try to guilt-trip me into supporting your faux-progressive causes. You leftists always expect people of color to be eternally grateful to you for "protecting" us and expect us to think and feel a certain way. I don't need you to "come to the rescue" and talk down to me like a five-year-old toddler as if people like me are dumb and inferior. THAT is racist. Why should I support you or any of your pet SJW causes? We are NOT your Uncle Toms eager to serve your every political whim. Stop trying to essentialize and romanticize people of color. It's racist and you're supposed to be the anti-racists. It's deeply entitled that you think I have to behave a certain way because I belong/don't belong to a particular race, and yet you label ME the entitled one. This is pure, leftist gaslighting and projection. The exact same gaslighting and projection that the CCP has practiced in the past and still does to this day.

Thirdly, where were you when Muslims were murdering, terrorizing, and discriminating against non-Muslims? You were busy labeling ex-Muslims, liberal Muslims, and anyone who has suffered at the hands of intolerant Muslim fundamentalists and is rightly critical of Islam as racists and "Islamophobic" bigots and doing everything in your power to shut them down on college campuses and get them fired from their jobs. So-called "anti-fascist" groups such as SPLC, ADL, and Hope Not Hate have spent far more time conducting witch hunts against Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali for being critical of Islam, a religion they have had first-hand experience with, then they have going after the people who want them dead for what they believe.

You guys were supposed to be intersectional, right? Everyone who's oppressed is on your side? Except when it doesn't fit neatly into your left-wing narrative. Instead, you're behaving like hypocrites by making flimsy, pathetic excuses for one group of far-right, fascist oppressors, Islamic extremists, simply because of the color of their skin and perceived status as immigrants and foreigners, and misandrist, radical feminists simply because of their gender. Now THAT is actually racist and sexist. And all of that simply to score political points against your right-wing opponents, or because "Orange Man bad".

That is a really low bar you've managed to set yourselves in less than a decade, alienating formerly left-leaning moderates like myself in the process and propelling people like Trump into office in the first place. He is a mirror that's being held up to your faces and you don't like your own reflections one bit, so you lash out angrily in indignation. Some of you riot and burn down homes with families and children trapped inside while you prevent firefighters from putting out the fires. You started all of this. You deserve another four years of Donald Trump for better or for worse until you learn to look inward and correct your mistakes. I'm not saying I support the guy. I'm just saying you deserve him.

And don't get me started on all that radical feminist crap and the number of men's lives they've ruined. I'm a straight, cisgender man and PROUD of it. I don't need to thank you for undermining my civil rights as a man.

I also remember you describing my harsh criticism of the CCP as "borderline racist" at one point because I called the CCP racist and fascist. In other words, you implied that I was some kind of self-hating Chinese. But white Americans, Brits and Australians who "acknowledge their privilege" by supporting BLM aren't self-hating? Bernie Sanders isn't a self-hating Jew?

You leftists were never on our side, and I don't expect you to be anytime soon. I stood up for you guys and offered moral support and encouragement for all of your causes. I signed countless petitions and donated to a number of causes, particularly those related to Israel-Palestine. But you never stood up for us. Instead, you used us, and then you betrayed us in the Muslim world and within the Muslim communities in your own countries because Islam is a sacred cow to you, AND you seek to champion women's rights at the expense of, rather than in addition to, men's rights. MY human rights as a male infidel are inconvenient and irrelevant to you. You people have managed to kill two birds with one stone. And now you expect me to suddenly forgive you and start supporting you all over again? Forget it.

In fact, I think I'll do just the exact opposite and correct a longstanding historical injustice by OPPOSING all of the woke causes you leftists hold dear, including "Black Lives Matter" and MeToo, as well as BDS. I intend to accomplish this by championing All Lives Matter and upholding men's rights, as well as standing with Israel. So too does Donald Trump, coincidentally. Let this be my penance for all the sins I've committed against all the white people, men, Jews, Christians, Japanese, Tibetans, Uighurs, and Taiwanese I've inadvertently wronged over the years. THIS is called fighting against racial injustice and demanding civil rights and equal treatment for all and not just some. Your decidedly hostile response to my post has only convinced me further of the need to push back even harder. You leftists keep proving me right time and time again.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:57 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Due to Glady's decision to allow BLM protests, a chain of wedding venues in NSW has stated that they'd ignore any restrictions on number 9f wedding guests

No shit, Sherlok. What did she think would happen? The lack of foresight is concerning
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:01 am

Magnus Germania wrote:Why is Black Lives Matter in Australia?

Black people do live in Australia.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am

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Australian rePublic wrote:Due to Glady's decision to allow BLM protests, a chain of wedding venues in NSW has stated that they'd ignore any restrictions on number 9f wedding guests

No shit, Sherlok. What did she think would happen? The lack of foresight is concerning


You're wrong in two different threads now, nice work.

Premier Berejiklian did not allow the protests, in fact she tried to stop them. It was the state Supreme Court which allowed them.

Rightly imo. Protesters should have social distanced and they should all have worn masks, but they had a right to protest regardless.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:34 am

New Bremerton wrote:This is why I don't support BLM.

I first heard about her case from AVFM, which is banned on NS for some reason. This is the very same Minneapolis police department responsible for the murder of George Floyd.

There were no nationwide and international demonstrations chanting #WhiteLivesMatter, #WomensLivesMatter, or #AllLivesMatter, and demanding justice for Justine Damond, an Australian-American dual citizen living in Minneapolis at the time of her death. There were no clueless celebrities virtue-signaling how much they care about all these so-called "progressive" causes. There were certainly no opportunistic riots and looting drowning out the otherwise peaceful but cringe protests.

BLM protesters clearly don't give a shit about white victims of police brutality and are more interested in virtue-signaling about "white privilege" and all that woke, horrifying, intersectional, IdPol, oppression Olympics crap that also demonizes men, Jews, and critics of Islam by extension, as evidenced here at a Melbourne rally.

BLM is just incoherent, woke BS whose proponents still believe this is the 1960s or even the early 1990s. They should be shipped back in time to Jim Crow America, or to present-day China, where they can experience real systemic racial injustice. BLM also has ties to antisemitic hate groups such as Women's March/MeToo, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Antisemitism is rife within far-left circles, but ONLY Black Lives Matter to these people no matter how much they try to lie otherwise.

There's nothing wrong with standing up for your cause. Since when have we ever held people to the standard that they should stand up for every single injustice in the world?

The BLM clearly cares about black people. The BLM movement is comprised of mostly black people. How does this automatically invalidate them and their cause? What is happening now isn't just the BLM movement protesting against police brutality, it goes beyond that. Unless you're imagining that this movement has expanded so massively overnight? No.

Every movement has negative aspects. If you oppose them, you're likely to focus on those while ignoring the positive message that the well-meaning core of the movement is trying to bring forth. You're trying to find reasons to discredit the entirety of the movement and anyone that dares associate with them because...I dunno. I really don't care what your reasons are.

Also, the underlined is horribly disingenuous. Just because circumstances have improved doesn't mean they're good. I'm sure back then people said similar things, like "well at least you're no longer slaves". Given the time it took for you to come up with that sentence, type it and submit it, you might've been able to spare some time to actually reflect on it.

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Magnus Germania wrote:Why is Black Lives Matter in Australia?

Black people do live in Australia.

Sudanese and Somali people aka the majority of African Blacks isn't the message but rather Aboriginals. Then again, Aboriginals aren't really African
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Magnus Germania wrote:Why is Black Lives Matter in Australia?


Aborigines are treated like dirt by the federal government, not sure about state and territorial governments.
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Magnus Germania wrote:Why is Black Lives Matter in Australia?

The aboriginal people had some pretty harsh historic discrimination against them.


And current. Since 1991, 432 Aboriginal Australians have died in police custody. The number of prosecutions as a result of these deaths? Two.

This is a good read on the kinds of things that have happened.
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Postby The Greater Antipodes » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:26 am

This might be a stone cold take on my part, but I'm not sure if Black Lives Matter is really a good movement to represent the indigenous population of Australia. Notwithstanding the fact that I think it's completely stupid that we are taking an American movement that emerged from their socio-political conditions and attempting to CTRL+V it to the Australian political landscape, it's gotten a very bad rap for its hooligan activities, and especially after these lootings taking place. Consequently, people are going to draw similarities that may not even be there to start with simply because of this hamfisted attempt to bring attention to what is an issue of grave concern. I don't approve.
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