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[ABANDONED] Minority Representation In Police Forces

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Would you support this proposal?

Poll ended at Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:59 am

Yes
1
8%
Yes, with a few changes
3
23%
Depends on my delegate's recommendation
0
No votes
No
9
69%
 
Total votes : 13

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The New Cordian Empire
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[ABANDONED] Minority Representation In Police Forces

Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:59 am

NVM
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Tinfect
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:52 am

OOC:
This is a joke, right?
Let's not pretend this isn't inspired by the current state of police in the US; you do realize that it's a matter of the entire system, right? Like the institution is fundamentally broken.
There's a reason why the protesters aren't advocating for more black cops. The black cops are out there throwing the tear gas and beating people like the rest of them.
Like, besides the point that this is incredibly unreasonable legislation otherwise.
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Terttia
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Postby Terttia » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:19 pm

The New Cordian Empire wrote:4. Clarifies that police forces shall be subject to restrictions as follows:
  1. The proportion of minority individuals in police forces shall be equal to or greater than two-thirds of the proportion of minority individuals in the normal population.
  2. The proportion of minority individuals in leadership positions in police forces shall be equal to or greater than one-half of the proportion of minority individuals in the normal population.

IC: Phantomson looks at the proposal and then has a smirk on his face: “Even if the minority applicants aren’t qualified to serve or are less qualified to serve than members of the majority?“

OOC: I won’t support this. Even in RL, I don’t support this.
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The New Cordian Empire
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:24 pm

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The New Cordian Empire
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:27 pm

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Kannap: It is I, the stranger in the night who cuts the power lines with hedge clippers
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The New Cordian Empire
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:33 pm

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Zizou: like every time i look at lenin's picture i start thinking about onions
Senkaku: with respect, please shut the fuck up about norway

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Tinfect
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:50 pm

The New Cordian Empire wrote:The protests are not what this seeks to prevent,


OOC:
No, it very obviously attempts to limit police brutality, through measures that simply, materially, do not work.

The New Cordian Empire wrote:and the cops are not the people who are making the protests violent.


They literally are. They're the ones who start the tear gas and rubber bullets, which, for the record, are 37mm shells lightly coated in rubber much of the time. They're the ones mass-arresting and assaulting peaceful protesters and forcing the protests to become riots. They're the ones putting undercover cops in the crowds and setting up stacks of bait-bricks and bait cars to manufacture violence and give them an excuse to crack down. For fucks sake there are videos of the cops themselves looting stores. The cops are absolutely the people making the protests violent.

The New Cordian Empire wrote:And, at least from what I've seen in Seattle, many of the people in charge do want more black cops and see this as a problem.


There is no one 'in charge' of the protests, for one, and for two, black cops literally, materially, do not affect the prevalence of police brutality in fundamentally racist institutions. This is not an individual problem. This is not something that can be solved by getting the right people in the right places. This sort of thing requires massive fundamental overhauls of the police and even reconsideration of the nature of policing itself.

Make your draft about that, rather than this sillyness.

The New Cordian Empire wrote:Serious question: how can I make it more reasonable?


Maybe uhhhhh not requiring Member-States to set up a fucking conscription service for cops?
Like you do realize that people who are forced at gunpoint to do a job don't tend to do good work, right? Besides the fact that drafts and conscription and incredibly awful practices in the first place?
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Postby The New Cordian Empire » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:14 pm

Ok I acknowledge that the idea was kinda screwy and didn't solve the problem.
Save yourself the trouble and call me NCE.
My views and actions do not reflect those of my respective regions unless I specifically state otherwise.
Former Executive Director of Founderless
Kannap: It is I, the stranger in the night who cuts the power lines with hedge clippers
Zizou: like every time i look at lenin's picture i start thinking about onions
Senkaku: with respect, please shut the fuck up about norway

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:44 pm

The New Cordian Empire wrote:Ok I acknowledge that the idea was kinda screwy and didn't solve the problem.

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