World without police?

[Hammer Britannia]

There's a reason why no nation on Earth has a non-existent police force. Yes, this includes Somalia.

Removing the police is a dumb idea that, quite frankly, would either lead to a rise in crime or martial law. And honestly, I fear the wrath of the national government than I do the wrath of the mayor.

Think of it like this. The Crips, Bloods, Atomwaffen, quiet kid in the back of the class (as in, school shooters, not all of them), the KKK, crackheads, crazed rednecks, pedophiles, and terrorist organizations aren't going to disappear overnight just because the police no longer exist. So either A, said groups/individuals are given even more free reign or B, the Government has to step in and use the military to prevent Detriot from becoming even more of a battle royal

[Gig em Aggies]

There's a reason why no nation on Earth has a non-existent police force. Yes, this includes Somalia.

Removing the police is a dumb idea that, quite frankly, would either lead to a rise in crime or martial law. And honestly, I fear the wrath of the national government than I do the wrath of the mayor.

Think of it like this. The Crips, Bloods, Atomwaffen, quiet kid in the back of the class (as in, school shooters, not all of them), the KKK, crackheads, crazed rednecks, pedophiles, and terrorist organizations aren't going to disappear overnight just because the police no longer exist. So either A, said groups/individuals are given even more free reign or B, the Government has to step in and use the military to prevent Detriot from becoming even more of a battle royal

well I wish most of these people had thoughts like you but sadly most of the defund the police crowd are irrational and followers rather then leaders and thinkers

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Somalia is full of armed gangs that impose their will on the people. In other words, they have cops.

Right. Disbanding the police is just giving violent gangs control. So how is it a good idea?

You missed the point. Police are gangs.

[Novus America]

Right. Disbanding the police is just giving violent gangs control. So how is it a good idea?

You missed the point. Police are gangs.

Then gangs will always exist. And the simple fact is criminal gangs kill far more people than the police. At least you can provide some accountability and oversight to police, private gangs have none.

How is having it done by private gangs that are more violent and kill more people and improvement?

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You missed the point. Police are gangs.

Then gangs will always exist. And the simple fact is criminal gangs kill far more people than the police. At least you can provide some accountability and oversight to police, private gangs have none.

How is having it done by private gangs that are more violent and kill more people and improvement?

I don't want any gangs to terrorize the people, but it's not like we have to choose between state sanctioned gangs and criminal gangs, that's a false dichotomy. We can have public safety workers who deal with the root causes of crime, proactive instead of reactive.

[Novus America]

Then gangs will always exist. And the simple fact is criminal gangs kill far more people than the police. At least you can provide some accountability and oversight to police, private gangs have none.

How is having it done by private gangs that are more violent and kill more people and improvement?

I don't want any gangs to terrorize the people, but it's not like we have to choose between state sanctioned gangs and criminal gangs, that's a false dichotomy. We can have public safety workers who deal with the root causes of crime, proactive instead of reactive.

Some crimes can be prevented by such methods, but not all crimes. It is naive in the extreme to think public safety workers can prevent all crimes, or defend themselves against violence without access to of their own means of violence.

So it is not a false dichotomy. Ultimately the power with the strongest force can set the rules.
If it is not the government it will be something else, like a criminal gang, tribal militias or what not.

[The Two Jerseys]

Worked for Medieval Iceland.

Question for our resident Icelander: how many of you guys were there back then, and how closely related were they?

[Diopolis]

There's a reason why no nation on Earth has a non-existent police force. Yes, this includes Somalia.

Removing the police is a dumb idea that, quite frankly, would either lead to a rise in crime or martial law. And honestly, I fear the wrath of the national government than I do the wrath of the mayor.

Think of it like this. The Crips, Bloods, Atomwaffen, quiet kid in the back of the class (as in, school shooters, not all of them), the KKK, crackheads, crazed rednecks, pedophiles, and terrorist organizations aren't going to disappear overnight just because the police no longer exist. So either A, said groups/individuals are given even more free reign or B, the Government has to step in and use the military to prevent Detriot from becoming even more of a battle royal

More realistically, we would live in a world where the retributive functions of the judicial system are taken upon by individuals. A world in which pedophiles are publicly lynched by the victim's family, sketchy looking people are shot under the assumption of being crackheads, and shopkeepers nail the hands of accused thieves to their doors to deter shoplifting- all with no trial.

[The Archregimancy]

The clear alternative is to place the NationStates Moderation team in charge.



Everywhere.

[Neanderthaland]

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Everywhere.

When you're banned in NationStates... you're banned in real life.

[The New California Republic]

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Everywhere.

Can your first act be to moderate that tweet by Trump yesterday, as it was clear-cut trolling.

[The Alma Mater]

The clear alternative is to place the NationStates Moderation team in charge.



Everywhere.

Can your first act be to moderate that tweet by Trump yesterday, as it was clear-cut trolling.

Not entirely. The media Trump watches had described the old man as a "career protester": someone with the hobby of going to as many protests as possible and provoking the police. They also circulate many photoshops of the man wearing an electronic device and a fake bloodbag.

Someone as intelligent as Trump might actually believe those.

[The Twilight Embassy]

Legit clicked this thread expecting the simsons gif somewhere on the first page. was not disappointed.

I may like the idea of police on paper, but just that like with Representational Democracy, the United States of America is just literally 100% incapable of ever being able to do it correctly. Police in other countries are racist too, but in other countries they have oversight with actual power; that means public servants and watchdog groups breathing down their necks just itching for an excuse to bring the hammer down, with no "protect yer own; screw the civilians" mentality or vigilante culture to shield them from accountability.

America will never have that because any nation-wide accountability the Democrats try to set up will be hamstrung by Republicans, and American voters have demonstrated loud and clear they will never-- not even under threat of global catastrophe and their precious democracy burning under their feet --show up to the polls for presidential or senate candidates that will actually fight Republican obstruction on important issues.

By defunding the police, it forces law enforcement to be taken into the hands of corporations that currently have to at least pretend they believe that "black lives matter" or their stonks go down. Yes, that's dystopian, but that's what us Americans apparently want out of our country, judging by how we vote whenever a Bernie Sanders comes along offering something better than "rainbow capitalist dystopia where the police are walking around with McDonald's advertisements on their bullet-proof vests rather than shooting protestors with "rubber" bullets."

tl;dr no I don't support 100% abolishing the police; I want Republican Senators and Presidents to either stop being Nazis (which is exactly what they're doing by sabotaging every effort to hold cops accountable for their anti-black bloodlust) or to be voted out/arrested out of office ASAP. But I'm not going to get that, so I have to instead settle for "the pigs can't afford to pay for their their precious chemical weapons and assault rifles anymore."

A world without police? We will become Somalia or a primitive world

Somalia is full of armed gangs that impose their will on the people. In other words, they have cops.

[The New California Republic]

The clear alternative is to place the NationStates Moderation team in charge.



Everywhere.

Can your first act be to moderate that tweet by Trump yesterday, as it was clear-cut trolling.

Not entirely. The media Trump watches had described the old man as a "career protester": someone with the hobby of going to as many protests as possible and provoking the police. They also circulate many photoshops of the man wearing an electronic device and a fake bloodbag.

Someone as intelligent as Trump might actually believe those.

But remember we are applying the forum moderation method to this, which wouldn't take the news sources that a person chooses to read as an excuse for trolling.

[Dogmeat]

I for one welcome our new Amazon overlords.

[James_xenoland]

We'd have nightwatchman and bounty hunters. Our criminal justice system would probably be more messy and ineffective.

And deadly! If you think the police now don't like taking risks a/o giving benefit of the doubt when face to face with life or death.. Then wait until it's just random people simply doing what (now) needs to be done (by them).. lol Wild west law would look more... nuanced and amicable in it's handling. This nonsense (all of this really) is simply a pipe dream of a tiny few ultra loud extremists and nitwits in places of influence. Delusional solutions to manufactured problems. (at least in scope/severity/focus)

An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.

Shhh.. Our prof said otherwise.. you simply just "don't understand." Next your going to try and tell us that getting rid of our current monetary system and reorganizing the hole of society into being based around people trading what they can make or do, in exchange for other goods and services.. Will inevitably lead to a system of tender the moment person A needs something from person B, but person C has what B needs.

Military or some privately operated police but not called police.

So.... the not-police police force then? :/

The clear alternative is to place the NationStates Moderation team in charge.



Everywhere.

Game side or forum side?

You missed the point. Police are gangs.

*facepalm*

[Adersfield]

1 word if there is no police in this world

anarchy

[Region of Dwipantara]

There's a reason why no nation on Earth has a non-existent police force. Yes, this includes Somalia.

Removing the police is a dumb idea that, quite frankly, would either lead to a rise in crime or martial law. And honestly, I fear the wrath of the national government than I do the wrath of the mayor.

Think of it like this. The Crips, Bloods, Atomwaffen, quiet kid in the back of the class (as in, school shooters, not all of them), the KKK, crackheads, crazed rednecks, pedophiles, and terrorist organizations aren't going to disappear overnight just because the police no longer exist. So either A, said groups/individuals are given even more free reign or B, the Government has to step in and use the military to prevent Detriot from becoming even more of a battle royal

More realistically, we would live in a world where the retributive functions of the judicial system are taken upon by individuals. A world in which pedophiles are publicly lynched by the victim's family, sketchy looking people are shot under the assumption of being crackheads, and shopkeepers nail the hands of accused thieves to their doors to deter shoplifting- all with no trial.

Not to forget about vigilante mobs, online and offline, which will snowball into uncontrollable mayhem. Doxxing will become an everyday norm, SJW Inquisition, formation of uncontrollable local millitias to protect their business, formation of ideological paramilitary groups (on both sides, including racist ones) that beat up opponents and attack undesirable elements of society, cartels and mafias taking over civilian administration. Rooftop Koreans will expand into Rooftop Americans.

And then like blood-drenched wars between violent gangs, 300 serial killers on the loose, child pornography industries becoming mainstream, schools paying mercenaries to hunt and kill armed pedophiles lurking near it, explosion in hard drug abuse that destroy communities, weapons trade become unregulated, collapsing tax revenue and skyrocketing evasion. Traffic jam become insane, financial crimes goes unpunished, ISIS infiltrators goes on a bombing spree, White Supremacist terrorist goes on a shooting spree and try to incite a race war, anarcho-communist terrorists bomb big banks and torch office buildings. Buildings and shops are burning, arson and looters become unstoppable or are massacred in the thousands by Rooftop Koreans, race and class tension turns into riots then turns into pogroms and civil disaster, rich people are looted and killed, deadly mercenary industries form to protect them, mass migration out of big cities, a baby crying on the alley floor while his mom (an ex-accountant) shoots a potential rapist with an AK-47, and then more.

Yup, in reality the government will just reinstate the police – a more hardline version. Then habeas corpus will be deminished; then the shooting starts. When crime was rampant in the 1980's, my government ordered the police to 'shoot upon sight' anyone who 'wears tatoos and look like thugs', no question asked. Death squads patrol the streets, dead bodies were put on a bag and thrown in front of community centers, to scare off the rest. Racism against the Chinese played a part in this. My dad (a Javanese, but his eyes looks somewhat Chinese) who was still at highschool back then was told to hide on the car trunk on the way to school and go home ASAP, for months until the president ended the campaign.

[DACOROMANIA]

Engage private companies for police forces such as in the Robocop movie. Pay for protection. Don't pay your price? You're not protected. Everything has a price, even your own freedom. Do you want to remain freeman? Pay your taxes and debts to the corporation. Sooner the Corporation shall replace the state and make its own laws.
Indeed, markets have their guards, but that's something else. You can't make street guards, still cops looking be.

The case of Afghanistan. Talibans were the police forces in their areas, of course at the expense of the life of their rivals, but at least you know for who you work for protection or staying free... yet.

So, in conclusion, dissolve the Police. Who needs Alkatraz anyway? Make the streets be the new Alkatraz.
He he he... He he he... he he he he... mwahaha...

And now, more seriously, the state forces for social order are devolved locally based upon a system and a type of training different from a state to state or from region to region. Certain nations have both police (common) and gendarmerie (more militarized).

If a local group is organized as a mafia then that's a different issue. To solve that issue you have to change the system and the way how the inspection goes.
However in few states I saw that's possible for some people to organize themselves as a gang of policemen with a hidden agenda guarded by a high level commandant.

In some nations the police is divided in districts, directions or directorates over local bodies in hierarchy responsible till to a Minister of Interior and often inspections on their activities, including a center for civilians to report or support.

So you want to dissolve the police. Okay. Then what's going next to fill that empty position?