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Effect of your Nation Ceasing to Exist?

Postby Jim the Baptist » Thu May 28, 2020 9:55 am

I'm sorry if another thread covers this but I honestly can't find much information about what happens when your nation ceases to exist.
I want to know what happens after it ceases to exist but you reactivate it, does your nation still look the same or what changes? I'm talking about endorsements, stats etc. What about residency or influence? And how long do you have to re-activate the account after it ceases to exist before it vanishes into oblivion? Is there a deadline? Thank you

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu May 28, 2020 9:57 am

Unless you made a significant impact on NationStates, you can recover your nation for a 5 year span until that nation is unretrievable.

When you recover a nation, it will look the same but with a significant time gap.

Also Drew is going to CTE today
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Postby Dytarma » Thu May 28, 2020 9:59 am

Don't quote me on this, but I think you also get an issue related to your refounding. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Thu May 28, 2020 10:02 am

Jim the Baptist wrote:I'm sorry if another thread covers this but I honestly can't find much information about what happens when your nation ceases to exist.
I want to know what happens after it ceases to exist but you reactivate it, does your nation still look the same or what changes? I'm talking about endorsements, stats etc. What about residency or influence? And how long do you have to re-activate the account after it ceases to exist before it vanishes into oblivion? Is there a deadline? Thank you


I believe your flag is reset but the rest of your stats stay the same. Your nation has enough people that the name can't be re-used. As for influence and endorsements, endorsements will go to 0 and your influence will decrease at a very rapid rate. I believe trading cards are maintained for a little while but not indefinitely. On the plus side if you CTE'd and come back you are applicable to getting an Easter egg issue about zombies. Can't remember it's name though.
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Postby Jim the Baptist » Thu May 28, 2020 10:04 am

Yeah that's why I am doing it because I want that easter egg issue (223).
In terms of your rapidly reducing influence, if you revive the account basically immediately after it CTE's and get a lot of endorsements back ASAP do you think it would not really go down too much? I know no one knows the numbers but just want to get an idea.
Anyone also know about what happens with your region and therefore also residency?
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu May 28, 2020 10:04 am

Dytarma wrote:Don't quote me on this, but I think you also get an issue related to your refounding. Correct me if I'm wrong though.


Yes, this is an easter egg issue. There is no other known way to obtain that issue.

Jim the Baptist wrote:I'm sorry if another thread covers this but I honestly can't find much information about what happens when your nation ceases to exist.
I want to know what happens after it ceases to exist but you reactivate it, does your nation still look the same or what changes? I'm talking about endorsements, stats etc. What about residency or influence? And how long do you have to re-activate the account after it ceases to exist before it vanishes into oblivion? Is there a deadline? Thank you


Hi. You will lose all your endorsements and residency stats. I’m not exactly sure about influence, but that seems to be the case. You can reactivate it immediately too.

Do you plan on leaving Europe?

Edit: Just saw the response. I highly don’t suggest such a thing, unless you are willing to lose the trust you regained in the region after the string of TGs you sent. I still do remain rather distrustful of you.

(For those asking, it’s a sort of internal issue)
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Postby Dominant Oppressors » Thu May 28, 2020 10:04 am

your flag is reset as he said but you are also refounded in either Lazarus or Osiris I think, you lose your region as well anyway
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu May 28, 2020 10:09 am

Dominant Oppressors wrote:your flag is reset as he said but you are also refounded in either Lazarus or Osiris I think, you lose your region as well anyway


I think the list includes Balder and another region.
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Postby Zeritae » Thu May 28, 2020 10:12 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Dominant Oppressors wrote:your flag is reset as he said but you are also refounded in either Lazarus or Osiris I think, you lose your region as well anyway


I think the list includes Balder and another region.

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Postby Jim the Baptist » Thu May 28, 2020 10:19 am

Any definitive answer on trading cards?

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Postby Luna Amore » Thu May 28, 2020 10:26 am

From the FAQ:
What happens to its card if a nation ceases to exist?

Nothing. The cards don't go anywhere.

What happens if my nation ceases to exist?

If your nation ceases to exist and you don't restore it, then eventually your bank and any cards you have collected will be deleted.
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Postby Jim the Baptist » Thu May 28, 2020 10:29 am

Luna Amore wrote:From the FAQ:
What happens to its card if a nation ceases to exist?

Nothing. The cards don't go anywhere.

What happens if my nation ceases to exist?

If your nation ceases to exist and you don't restore it, then eventually your bank and any cards you have collected will be deleted.

But what does that phrase mean: "If your nation ceases to exist and you don't restore it, then eventually your bank and any cards you have collected will be deleted."? So eventually they do get deleted? Any ideas how long that takes?

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Postby SherpDaWerp » Thu May 28, 2020 4:24 pm

Jim the Baptist wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:From the FAQ:

But what does that phrase mean: "If your nation ceases to exist and you don't restore it, then eventually your bank and any cards you have collected will be deleted."? So eventually they do get deleted? Any ideas how long that takes?

There's an ongoing experiment (IIRC) dedicated to finding out... someone created a bunch of puppets, opened some packs and let them all CTE, then they're in the process of reviving one per month until the cards don't return. Until that gets concrete results, we do know it's more than a few days, which should be all you need for the easter egg.

It might also be worth amending the FAQ, @admin, to state that the cards do in fact change - they get roughly 10x rarer.
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Postby Jim the Baptist » Thu May 28, 2020 9:04 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Jim the Baptist wrote:But what does that phrase mean: "If your nation ceases to exist and you don't restore it, then eventually your bank and any cards you have collected will be deleted."? So eventually they do get deleted? Any ideas how long that takes?

There's an ongoing experiment (IIRC) dedicated to finding out... someone created a bunch of puppets, opened some packs and let them all CTE, then they're in the process of reviving one per month until the cards don't return. Until that gets concrete results, we do know it's more than a few days, which should be all you need for the easter egg.

It might also be worth amending the FAQ, @admin, to state that the cards do in fact change - they get roughly 10x rarer.

Interesting. So basically as long as I re-activate it really really quickly within a day or less of it CTEing it should be fine right?
And can I just clarify what you mean about the cards getting rarer? You mean the market value of all your cards goes up by roughly 10x? So if your deck is worth 500 it will be roughly 5000?

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Postby SherpDaWerp » Thu May 28, 2020 11:54 pm

Jim the Baptist wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:There's an ongoing experiment (IIRC) dedicated to finding out... someone created a bunch of puppets, opened some packs and let them all CTE, then they're in the process of reviving one per month until the cards don't return. Until that gets concrete results, we do know it's more than a few days, which should be all you need for the easter egg.

It might also be worth amending the FAQ, @admin, to state that the cards do in fact change - they get roughly 10x rarer.

Interesting. So basically as long as I re-activate it really really quickly within a day or less of it CTEing it should be fine right?
And can I just clarify what you mean about the cards getting rarer? You mean the market value of all your cards goes up by roughly 10x? So if your deck is worth 500 it will be roughly 5000?

No, nothing like that happens to your deck. I'm talking about the card of the person that CTEs. The chance of finding the card of a CTE nation is 10x smaller than it would be if the nation was not CTE.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri May 29, 2020 1:55 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Jim the Baptist wrote:Interesting. So basically as long as I re-activate it really really quickly within a day or less of it CTEing it should be fine right?
And can I just clarify what you mean about the cards getting rarer? You mean the market value of all your cards goes up by roughly 10x? So if your deck is worth 500 it will be roughly 5000?

No, nothing like that happens to your deck. I'm talking about the card of the person that CTEs. The chance of finding the card of a CTE nation is 10x smaller than it would be if the nation was not CTE.

Really? I thought it was 0 chance
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Fri May 29, 2020 2:16 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:No, nothing like that happens to your deck. I'm talking about the card of the person that CTEs. The chance of finding the card of a CTE nation is 10x smaller than it would be if the nation was not CTE.

Really? I thought it was 0 chance

Not quite - it used to be, but that got changed earlier in this season.
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