Alternate History Thread(CLOSED)

[Atheris]

I could say the same about communism, but you won't find me censoring it. Censoring a word has a dangerous risk of the Streisand Effect.

I guess the fact that you only noticed that and not the rest proves your point. I'll stop on the censoring. What about the rest of the post and my other ones?

Thank you.

Now, going back to your post:

Alright, while we're waiting for the anime discussion to start, I'll continue talking about the WW1 stalemate timeline.

Alright, so as my colleague said, Italy takes Dalmatia, preventing a certain Bald man from rising to power. However, this doesn't completely change the fact that the economy is probably in the toilet, and the rebelling Slavs don't help. So, socialist parties begin to rise in popularity. In fact, it may get so bad they sell South Tirol to Germany. But when the Stock Maerket crash happens, the people start rioting and in 1930, the Monarchy is overthrown, and replaced with a socialist republic. They execute any opposition, and declare this guy chairman.

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Italy wouldn't sell South Tyrol to Germany; it's part of Italia Irredenta, after all. That's like the US selling the entire midwest to Canada after WW1 to help with the Great Depression.

Also, I believe some background is neccesary. In our timeline, Hungary nearly went communist. Here, due to a longer war and a civil war in Austria-Hungary, this happens. They are revanchist and hell bent on creating a Danubian Socialist Federation. S they, Ttaly, and the USSR buddy up and create a socialist alliance. France would see issues too, and I'm not sure if that would cause them to go socialist, since the poverty and them kinda winning the war, or F**cist(but against Germany and not action francais) due to the WW1 socialist government not winning.

France would likely go down a similar path to OTL; a fragile government spurred on by a weakening economy. I think Leon Blum and the Popular Front would be more discredited ITTL leaving Pierre Laval as Prime Minister through the mid 30's, because of the Italian People's Republic (as I shall call it), communist Hungary, and the USSR. Socialism as a whole would probably be much less popular - it's highly likely, too, that this timeline's WW2 would start because of an invasion of one of the Brest-Litovsk countries by the USSR, or an invasion of Yugoslavia by Hungary.

On an unrelated note, I don't think the DNVP would be anti-Slavic, for obvious reasons(glances at Slavic puppets in east).

The DNVP wasn't slavophobic OTL, either. I find it unlikely that the DNVP would even be remotely anti-Slavic in governmental policy.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I guess the fact that you only noticed that and not the rest proves your point. I'll stop on the censoring. What about the rest of the post and my other ones?

Thank you.

Now, going back to your post:

Alright, while we're waiting for the anime discussion to start, I'll continue talking about the WW1 stalemate timeline.

Alright, so as my colleague said, Italy takes Dalmatia, preventing a certain Bald man from rising to power. However, this doesn't completely change the fact that the economy is probably in the toilet, and the rebelling Slavs don't help. So, socialist parties begin to rise in popularity. In fact, it may get so bad they sell South Tirol to Germany. But when the Stock Maerket crash happens, the people start rioting and in 1930, the Monarchy is overthrown, and replaced with a socialist republic. They execute any opposition, and declare this guy chairman.

-snipped image-

Italy wouldn't sell South Tyrol to Germany; it's part of Italia Irredenta, after all. That's like the US selling the entire midwest to Canada after WW1 to help with the Great Depression.

Also, I believe some background is neccesary. In our timeline, Hungary nearly went communist. Here, due to a longer war and a civil war in Austria-Hungary, this happens. They are revanchist and hell bent on creating a Danubian Socialist Federation. S they, Ttaly, and the USSR buddy up and create a socialist alliance. France would see issues too, and I'm not sure if that would cause them to go socialist, since the poverty and them kinda winning the war, or F**cist(but against Germany and not action francais) due to the WW1 socialist government not winning.

France would likely go down a similar path to OTL; a fragile government spurred on by a weakening economy. I think Leon Blum and the Popular Front would be more discredited ITTL leaving Pierre Laval as Prime Minister through the mid 30's, because of the Italian People's Republic (as I shall call it), communist Hungary, and the USSR. Socialism as a whole would probably be much less popular - it's highly likely, too, that this timeline's WW2 would start because of an invasion of one of the Brest-Litovsk countries by the USSR, or an invasion of Yugoslavia by Hungary.

On an unrelated note, I don't think the DNVP would be anti-Slavic, for obvious reasons(glances at Slavic puppets in east).

The DNVP wasn't slavophobic OTL, either. I find it unlikely that the DNVP would even be remotely anti-Slavic in governmental policy.

Alright, no Germany controlling South Tirol(for now). Regarding the DNVP, we got down that they would be closer to apartheid than racism. In my opinion, when dealing with elections, they would simlply ban all communist and openly republican parties. So we would mostly have an SPD, Zentrum, and DNVP parliament.

Now in WW2, I actually did believe it would start with a Soviet attack. I can see Germany, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Britain, Finland, and Japan teaming up against the Socialists. The wildcard is America and France. Do they attack Germany and Japan due to their rivalries, or do they team up against the Soviets?

On an unrelated note, would the DNVP abolish the German State government and centralize power?

[Atheris]

Thank you.

Now, going back to your post:



Italy wouldn't sell South Tyrol to Germany; it's part of Italia Irredenta, after all. That's like the US selling the entire midwest to Canada after WW1 to help with the Great Depression.



France would likely go down a similar path to OTL; a fragile government spurred on by a weakening economy. I think Leon Blum and the Popular Front would be more discredited ITTL leaving Pierre Laval as Prime Minister through the mid 30's, because of the Italian People's Republic (as I shall call it), communist Hungary, and the USSR. Socialism as a whole would probably be much less popular - it's highly likely, too, that this timeline's WW2 would start because of an invasion of one of the Brest-Litovsk countries by the USSR, or an invasion of Yugoslavia by Hungary.



The DNVP wasn't slavophobic OTL, either. I find it unlikely that the DNVP would even be remotely anti-Slavic in governmental policy.

Alright, no Germany controlling South Tirol(for now). Regarding the DNVP, we got down that they would be closer to apartheid than racism. In my opinion, when dealing with elections, they would simlply ban all communist and openly republican parties. So we would mostly have an SPD, Zentrum, and DNVP parliament.

The Zentrum was the "Christian Democrat" party, and the SPD was openly socialist in the Weimar Republic. The DNVP would be the sole legal party, with maybe the NSDAP and other right-wing parties in government with them.

Now in WW2, I actually did believe it would start with a Soviet attack. I can see Germany, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Britain, Finland, and Japan teaming up against the Socialists. The wildcard is America and France. Do they attack Germany and Japan due to their rivalries, or do they team up against the Soviets?

America would probably side against the Soviets, and France would attack the USSR if the Popular Front never exists.

On an unrelated note, would the DNVP abolish the German State government and centralize power?

Unlikely. Assuming the Kaiser is still around, they'd probably keep him as Head of State (a figurehead, of course). The DNVP was actually pretty monarchist. In the 1932 elections, one of their slogans was "Let the Old Colors Fly!".

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Alright, no Germany controlling South Tirol(for now). Regarding the DNVP, we got down that they would be closer to apartheid than racism. In my opinion, when dealing with elections, they would simlply ban all communist and openly republican parties. So we would mostly have an SPD, Zentrum, and DNVP parliament.

The Zentrum was the "Christian Democrat" party, and the SPD was openly socialist in the Weimar Republic. The DNVP would be the sole legal party, with maybe the NSDAP and other right-wing parties in government with them.

Now in WW2, I actually did believe it would start with a Soviet attack. I can see Germany, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Britain, Finland, and Japan teaming up against the Socialists. The wildcard is America and France. Do they attack Germany and Japan due to their rivalries, or do they team up against the Soviets?

America would probably side against the Soviets, and France would attack the USSR if the Popular Front never exists.

On an unrelated note, would the DNVP abolish the German State government and centralize power?

Unlikely. Assuming the Kaiser is still around, they'd probably keep him as Head of State (a figurehead, of course). The DNVP was actually pretty monarchist. In the 1932 elections, one of their slogans was "Let the Old Colors Fly!".

Well, key word "Weimar". I'm pretty sure they were okay with the Kaiser until the revolution started. And Zentrum mostly wanted welfare and a federal state, which isn't that socialistic or anti-monarchist. Also, even if they were the only legal party, they probably wouldn't be that totalitarian, as in "control every aspect of your life".

And yes, The DNVP was monarchist. Ever since the beginning. I believe there would be something along a power sharing agreement with the Kaiser, though officially he would keep his powers. But that doesn't answer the other monarchies, and especially the four republics. Also, I thought I made it clear that the revolution never happened.

Also, by Popular Front never exists, you mean they never have a prime minister from the popular front in office, right? And on another side note, did the Kaiser have the power to dissolve parliament(this will be important later)?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

What if Cleopatra VII managed to keep Egypt's independence(but Mark Anthony still lost)?

[Feyrisshire]

Okay, since I promised this a while ago:

Lol, if the poll option "What if anime was made in the USSR?" wins, I'm going to make a serious and believable alt history timeline at how anime and hentai can be made in the USSR instead of Japan.

I felt somehow obliged to post in here and I can't post regularly rn, so my posts are going to be shorter:

If we're talking about "Soviet anime and hentai", I'm going to say a few take-aways:

-A hurdle to "Soviet anime and hentai" is the reactionary nature of Russian society towards sexuality and LGBT (which is a prominent theme in Japanese anime and erotica). The Bolsheviks were sexually progressive for their time, Lenin decriminalized homosexuality and progressive on sexuality are prominent with early Bolshevik leaders such as Alexandra Kollontai. (AH Further repression of the Russian Orthodox Church by Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev can help here)

-Nikita Khrushchev made reforms to remove censorship in entertainment and arts - this was the Khruschev Thaw, animation was also particularly affected. An AH where he continued it can help

-The Soviet Union had a vibrant animation industry. It was called the Soyuzmultfilm and Soyuzmultfilm also made ventures into adult-oriented animation at the time.

-Hayao Miyazaki, an influential figure in Japanese anime and an outstanding animator was a leftist Communist IRL. An AH where he went out full flat-out Communist to contact Soviet animators can help.

-Russia in OTL actually already made anime and hentai. First Squad is a Russian anime made by a Russian studio in 2009. Everlasting Summer is a Russian eroge visual novel (made of course by Russians in Russia) made in 2013 and is available in Steam Workshop right now. Of course this is post-USSR, but that's not really the point.

Aside from these, one can also add in further caveats such as all of these happening under a successful Operation Downfall (What if Japan gets destroyed so bad they don't have time to make anime?) or the USSR surviving under OGAS or simply remove Gorbachev.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Okay, since I promised this a while ago:

Lol, if the poll option "What if anime was made in the USSR?" wins, I'm going to make a serious and believable alt history timeline at how anime and hentai can be made in the USSR instead of Japan.

I felt somehow obliged to post in here and I can't post regularly rn, so my posts are going to be shorter:

If we're talking about "Soviet anime and hentai", I'm going to say a few take-aways:

-A hurdle to "Soviet anime and hentai" is the reactionary nature of Russian society towards sexuality and LGBT (which is a prominent theme in Japanese anime and erotica). The Bolsheviks were sexually progressive for their time, Lenin decriminalized homosexuality and progressive on sexuality are prominent with early Bolshevik leaders such as Alexandra Kollontai. (AH Further repression of the Russian Orthodox Church by Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev can help here)

-Nikita Khrushchev made reforms to remove censorship in entertainment and arts - this was the Khruschev Thaw, animation was also particularly affected. An AH where he continued it can help

-The Soviet Union had a vibrant animation industry. It was called the Soyuzmultfilm and Soyuzmultfilm also made ventures into adult-oriented animation at the time.

-Hayao Miyazaki, an influential figure in Japanese anime and an outstanding animator was a leftist Communist IRL. An AH where he went out full flat-out Communist to contact Soviet animators can help.

-Russia in OTL actually already made anime and hentai. First Squad is a Russian anime made by a Russian studio in 2009. Everlasting Summer is a Russian eroge visual novel (made of course by Russians in Russia) made in 2013 and is available in Steam Workshop right now. Of course this is post-USSR, but that's not really the point.

Aside from these, one can also add in further caveats such as all of these happening under a successful Operation Downfall (What if Japan gets destroyed so bad they don't have time to make anime?) or the USSR surviving under OGAS or simply remove Gorbachev.

So you want me to begin the anime timeline?

[Feyrisshire]

So you want me to begin the anime timeline?

Oof, didn't see this at first:

Well, it happened. This isn't a nightmare or hallucination. We will have a discussion about... Soviet anime.

Here's how this works. We take turns, and discuss different five year periods, from the POD to Today. We will start with the guy who suggested this idea, and then me. After that, everyone just says a five year period first. This will continue until we reach present day. Now who came up with this?

I'm still really not sure how would your format would work.

There are a lot of possible PODs. A POD can be made in 1917-1922. Make revolutionaries like Alexa Kollontai, Nikolai Semashko, Georgy Chicherin be more influential in Bolshevik society to pave the way for a more socially liberal Soviet society, so there isn't much backlash on adult-oriented animation later on.

I'm not really cut out to write full-length alt-history timelines right now, but I can if I have time.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Okay, so with the war being Germany, Britain, Bulgaria, France, America, Yugoslavia, Finland, the East, and Japan vs Italy, Hungary, and the USSR(maybe with Turkey) I'm pretty sure Germany has it in the bag. Italy is weak and crammed between France, Germany, and Yugoslavia. The USSR is in front of German puppets, so Germany invading it becomes easier Barbarossa. And Hungary is a sorry replacement for Italy. In the end, I see Germany annexes South Tirol, Italian Eritrea, and Italian Somaliland(just in case there were any colonies besides Togoland they lost, and if there weren't, crude punishment). Britain annexes Libya. The socialist government in Italy is seen as an embarrassment and a monarchy is installed back. Hungary looses stuff to Yugoslavia and Serbia(which is a Bulgarian puppet). USSR releases whatever other ethnic territories it didn't release in Brest Litovsk or got back, gives Finland Karelia along with other land Finland wants, and is partitioned into occupation Zones along the Urals between Germany, America, and Japan. Thoughts?

[Rojava Free State]

Imagine an alternate timeline where China settled the new world before Europe did.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Imagine an alternate timeline where China settled the new world before Europe did.

In that case, I can see an eventual Chinese takeover of Japan, a Chinese California, and the Ming Dynasty making it to the present day.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Well, it appears that the thread is the dead.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Imagine an alternate timeline where China settled the new world before Europe did.

In that case, I can see an eventual Chinese takeover of Japan, a Chinese California, and the Ming Dynasty making it to the present day.

How would China settling the new world stop the ever growing corruption of the Ming government? The reason so many generals and officials betrayed the Ming and wholeheartedly accepted the invading Manchu was because the Ming had devolved into a shitshow by the 17th century

[Exalted Inquellian State]

In that case, I can see an eventual Chinese takeover of Japan, a Chinese California, and the Ming Dynasty making it to the present day.

How would China settling the new world stop the ever growing corruption of the Ming government? The reason so many generals and officials betrayed the Ming and wholeheartedly accepted the invading Manchu was because the Ming had devolved into a shitshow by the 17th century

Their main adventures were happening in the early 1400's, and I believe they were done by Zheng He. If they discovered the new world, it's possible the Ming could've made their rule more centralized. Obviously warlords would still exist, but they wouldn't be capable of revolt and any other action that could lead to the Ming downfall, just fighting among themselves and tax collection. The Europeans would trade with the Qing, and while there would be conflicts, China would be accepted as a world power and a more distant version of Russia.

[Feyrisshire]

Let's go back to the alt history timeline of What if Anime and Hentai Was Made in the USSR? This was a long-overdue timeline:

Soviet Anime and Hentai Timeline:

•July 5, 1921 – Alexanda Kollontai, a Marxist revolutionary and the most prominent woman among the USSR bitterly attacked Lenin’s New Economic Policy. Lenin, like in OTL, would still ignore her and go through with the New Economic Plan.
•Feb 26, 1922 – Leon Trotsky and Grigory Zinoviev allowed Alexandra Kollontai to speak at the Comintern Executive. Trotsky and Zinoviev was convinced and promised Kollontai that the suggestions of the “letter of the 22” would be considered.
•March-April 1922 – Alexandra Kollontai was rehabilitated in the party and she was allowed by Trotsky and Zinoviev to freely speak and publish again, ensuring that her views would have much more prevalent influence in Soviet society.
•1923-1925 – Dr. Grigorii Baktis, director of the Institute of Social Hygiene in Moscow published a report called “The Sexual Revolution in Russia”.
•1926 – Stalin was impressed with Kollontai, noting that she was viewed positively by Lenin, Trotsky and Zinoviev. Stalin sought her advice in regards with the role of sex, family and sexuality in Soviet society and asked her opinion on the 1926 new legislation.
- Nikolai Semashko, the Commissar of Health had a meeting with Alexandra Kollontai and Dr. Grigorii Baktis and talked about the “sexual revolution” to be done in the USSR. Stalin was impressed with their meeting.
•1930 – Grigory Chicherin, the Commissar for Foreign Affairs, was replaced by his deputy Maxim Litvinov.
•1933 – Under the advice of Alexandra Kollontai, Dr. Grigorii Baktis and Nikolai Semashko, Stalin added Article 121 to the Soviet criminal code, explicitly decriminalizing all forms of male homosexuality and female lesbianism clarifying that “Soviet legislation does not recognize so-called crimes against morality.”
•1934 – British communist Harry Whyte applauded this move, calling it “revolutionary and progressive”.

Now that the USSR is accepting of gays, lesbians and trans and considering that LGBT+ themes are prominent in Japanese anime. You know how this goes.

My plan is for Alan Turing to defect to the USSR knowing that he would have a better future there as a gay scientist, delaying the Allied war effort in defeating Nazi Germany and forcing them to drop the bombs in Germany instead of Japan. This would lead to an Operation Downfall and so Japan being ruined, USSR would be forced to invent anime and hentai instead.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Well, it's clear that le thread is le dead. We're gonna need a new one.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Alright, so the last thread failed to produce any meaningful result. I will ask it to be locked soon. I think I found the problem, and it's that I was too focused on one scenario over the other. This time I will try to correct that. I guess we will start with the question the last thread left us off on: what if the Soviet Union invented Anime?

Previous Thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=485945

Also, I wanted to make a pun, but it wouldn't fit in the way I wanted. Sorry.

[Farnhamia]

We don't lock on request. The best way to revive a thread is to add to it. Nothing says you can't change the subject.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

We don't lock on request. The best way to revive a thread is to add to it. Nothing says you can't change the subject.

How in the world did you just do that?

[Farnhamia]

We don't lock on request. The best way to revive a thread is to add to it. Nothing says you can't change the subject.

How in the world did you just do that?

*smiles knowingly & summons Guards* Take them away.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

How in the world did you just do that?

*smiles knowingly & summons Guards* Take them away.

WAIT, I NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU MERGE YOUR THREADS TOGETHER!



It's time to escape...

KAKAW!*Opens his wings(my species are birds) and flies off*