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For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Which of these will we primarily discuss in the future?

Poll ended at Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:31 am

-What if Alexander the Great lived to old age?
24
25%
-What if Britain and its allies completely won the War of the Spanish Succession?
4
4%
-What if France and its allies completely won the War of the Spanish Succession?
1
1%
-What if America lost the Revolutionary war?
10
10%
-What if the CSA won the Civil War(and got all slave-holding states and D.C.)?
9
9%
-What if Anime was made in the USSR?
33
34%
-What if America collapsed?
15
16%
 
Total votes : 96

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Alternate History Thread(CLOSED)

Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 9:39 am

I decided to, for many reasons, make a thread where people could discuss alternate history. Feel free to discuss with me, each other, and yourself, as long as the discussion is civil. You and me may ask any question, or answer one ourselves. I'll be here, watching.

Alright, by another persons suggestion, I will start: What if the British and their allies completely won the war of Spanish succession?
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Postby VVerkia » Sun May 24, 2020 9:53 am

I make alternate timelines of my life as part of my imagination. Not interested in timelines of world.

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Postby Vistulange » Sun May 24, 2020 10:17 am

You really might want to elaborate on the OP and offer some idea of your own instead of just going "discuss". Otherwise, moderation will most likely lock the thread.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:07 am

Vistulange wrote:You really might want to elaborate on the OP and offer some idea of your own instead of just going "discuss". Otherwise, moderation will most likely lock the thread.

Done.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:16 am

I'm thinking someday I'm gonna write an alternate history book and so far I have several fictitious alternate timeliness. The two I talk about most are C-186 and C-188, with C-187 being our universe.

In C-186 Al Gore won the 2000 election and the war in Iraq never occurred. 9/11 happened but the war in Afghanistan only lasted till 2010 and overall culture in America resembles that of the 1990s. Socialized medicine was introduced to the United States and our climate policy was radically better, and United States leadership on the climate led to a transformed sustainable world.

C-188 is based off of how Trump and his supporters portray the world. In C-188, the United States is a war torn hellhole. Barack Obama won the presidency in 2004 and enacted a policy of radical communism, using black panthers to redistribute everyone's house to illegal immigrants, while the inner city became a no go zone and radical Muslims took over Dearborn, enacting sharia law. A civil war broke out between right wingers and the Obama government with the president declaring martial law and suspending elections, and in the chaos of this alternate world, Donald Trump becomes the leader of the resistance, launching guerilla attacks on the army and government sponsored antifa brigades and Islamist guerrillas.

Then there's C-189, which is very similar to our universe, except in that one Trump actually listened to his advisors and United States coronavirus deaths as of May 24th number about 10,000.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:18 am

Rojava Free State wrote:I'm thinking someday I'm gonna write an alternate history book and so far I have several fictitious alternate timeliness. The two I talk about most are C-186 and C-188, with C-187 being our universe.

In C-186 Al Gore won the 2000 election and the war in Iraq never occurred. 9/11 happened but the war in Afghanistan only lasted till 2010 and overall culture in America resembles that of the 1990s. Socialized medicine was introduced to the United States and our climate policy was radically better, and United States leadership on the climate led to a transformed sustainable world.

C-188 is based off of how Trump and his supporters portray the world. In C-188, the United States is a war torn hellhole. Barack Obama won the presidency in 2004 and enacted a policy of radical communism, using black panthers to redistribute everyone's house to illegal immigrants, while the inner city became a no go zone and radical Muslims took over Dearborn, enacting sharia law. A civil war broke out between right wingers and the Obama government with the president declaring martial law and suspending elections, and in the chaos of this alternate world, Donald Trump becomes the leader of the resistance, launching guerilla attacks on the army and government sponsored antifa brigades and Islamist guerrillas.

Then there's C-189, which is very similar to our universe, except in that one Trump actually listened to his advisors and United States coronavirus deaths as of May 24th number about 10,000.

These are some... interesting scenario's, but is C-186 really plausible?
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Postby Aeritai » Sun May 24, 2020 11:20 am

Alternate History is a interesting topic considering some nations on here are alt history. So I have a question: What if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War? Would the British still be a world power today or would the 13 colonies find another way to become independent?
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Postby Feyrisshire » Sun May 24, 2020 11:20 am

What if all anime, manga and hentai were invented instead in the Soviet Union or in East Germany (DDR) instead of being invented in Japan as what happened in OTL?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:24 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I'm thinking someday I'm gonna write an alternate history book and so far I have several fictitious alternate timeliness. The two I talk about most are C-186 and C-188, with C-187 being our universe.

In C-186 Al Gore won the 2000 election and the war in Iraq never occurred. 9/11 happened but the war in Afghanistan only lasted till 2010 and overall culture in America resembles that of the 1990s. Socialized medicine was introduced to the United States and our climate policy was radically better, and United States leadership on the climate led to a transformed sustainable world.

C-188 is based off of how Trump and his supporters portray the world. In C-188, the United States is a war torn hellhole. Barack Obama won the presidency in 2004 and enacted a policy of radical communism, using black panthers to redistribute everyone's house to illegal immigrants, while the inner city became a no go zone and radical Muslims took over Dearborn, enacting sharia law. A civil war broke out between right wingers and the Obama government with the president declaring martial law and suspending elections, and in the chaos of this alternate world, Donald Trump becomes the leader of the resistance, launching guerilla attacks on the army and government sponsored antifa brigades and Islamist guerrillas.

Then there's C-189, which is very similar to our universe, except in that one Trump actually listened to his advisors and United States coronavirus deaths as of May 24th number about 10,000.

These are some... interesting scenario's, but is C-186 really plausible?


Youre asking if C-186 is plausible? That's probably the second most plausible one on the list next to 189. If anything the least plausible is C-188, which I mainly use as a joke. I think had things gone a bit differently, Al gore could have won the presidency.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:25 am

Aeritai wrote:Alternate History is a interesting topic considering some nations on here are alt history. So I have a question: What if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War? Would the British still be a world power today or would the 13 colonies find another way to become independent?


Britain would probably have let them go like they let all the others go (except northern ireland and Bermuda). They allowed Canada to become a dominion in the 1800s and these days Canada is independent. Likely America would have been granted independence in the 1800s sometime and would be a commonwealth country today. I doubt we would still be under British rule.
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Postby Dominioan » Sun May 24, 2020 11:27 am

What if America collapsed, instead of the Soviet Union?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:31 am

Speaking to Rojava Free State, America was the first country to win independence from a European power. So the independence waves would be postponed. So it's likely all the Brotosh colonies today would be some kind of protectorates with various governments.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 24, 2020 11:34 am

I like scenarios which result in the world becoming multipolar; such as one with American, Imperial German, Imperial British, Soviet, and Nationalist Chinese poles for example.

Unipolar and bipolar worlds are boring, although safer to actually live in.

Can make for some interesting worldbuilding in my opinion.
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Postby Aeritai » Sun May 24, 2020 11:35 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Alternate History is a interesting topic considering some nations on here are alt history. So I have a question: What if the Americans lost the Revolutionary War? Would the British still be a world power today or would the 13 colonies find another way to become independent?


Britain would probably have let them go like they let all the others go (except northern ireland and Bermuda). They allowed Canada to become a dominion in the 1800s and these days Canada is independent. Likely America would have been granted independence in the 1800s sometime and would be a commonwealth country today. I doubt we would still be under British rule.


So if the United States became a Commonwealth would it still reach superpower status in the 21st Century?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:37 am

Dominioan wrote:What if America collapsed, instead of the Soviet Union?

Assuming America collapsed into contituaent states and territories, to USSR would l\have likely won the cold war. However, the EU would survive, but mostly be weak. It would be alive today, but a few countries would fall to socialist revolution. Eventually, some states would unite. New England would likely unite, and have Maryland Join. They and a new CSA(or possibly New African Republic) would fight over D.C. every few years. Alaska would join Canada. The Pacific States would become a multi party democracy, and the Great Lakes would become a socialist state. The prairie states would unite into a tribal, conservative confederal republic. the other states would remain independent.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:39 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:I like scenarios which result in the world becoming multipolar; such as one with American, Imperial German, Imperial British, Soviet, and Nationalist Chinese poles for example.

Unipolar and bipolar worlds are boring, although safer to actually live in.

Can make for some interesting worldbuilding in my opinion.


kay, I'm sorry for saying this, moderators.

I'm making a roleplay inspired by another guys scenario with the same idea. Its over for now, though.
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Postby Dominioan » Sun May 24, 2020 11:40 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Dominioan wrote:What if America collapsed, instead of the Soviet Union?

Assuming America collapsed into contituaent states and territories, to USSR would l\have likely won the cold war. However, the EU would survive, but mostly be weak. It would be alive today, but a few countries would fall to socialist revolution. Eventually, some states would unite. New England would likely unite, and have Maryland Join. They and a new CSA(or possibly New African Republic) would fight over D.C. every few years. Alaska would join Canada. The Pacific States would become a multi party democracy, and the Great Lakes would become a socialist state. The prairie states would unite into a tribal, conservative confederal republic. the other states would remain independent.

Mmm, sounds like some sexy borders =)

I would imagine California would have a fun time.
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Postby Baja California Autonoma » Sun May 24, 2020 11:41 am

Read 'The Years of Rice and Salt'. Is a masterful alternate history where Europes population is decimated completely by the Black Death and how China and the Muslim world in turn shape the world and lead to one with people, still like us, industrialized and modern but with really interesting tangents or divergences. Highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in alternate history.

Man in the High Castle is amazing in this regard as well if you're a more visual person and would prefer to watch rather than read.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 11:44 am

Feyrisshire wrote:What if all anime, manga and hentai were invented instead in the Soviet Union or in East Germany (DDR) instead of being invented in Japan as what happened in OTL?

It would be unpopular in the US due to, Ya know, the cold war. However, the Eastern block would see a huge popularity in this form of animation. Most of the characters would be Russian. After the cold war, however, the Western European countries would soon start to approve of this anime, and there may be a more pro-Russian opinion in America.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 12:19 pm

So, what if Britain and its allies won the war of Spanish succession(and by won, I mean achieve all their major goals and if they disagreed, find good compromises their side liked).
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun May 24, 2020 1:08 pm

The butterfly effect says we can't actually predict what might have happened in X event had transpired differently. So while we can try, no hypothesis can be 100% accurate.

Dominioan wrote:What if America collapsed, instead of the Soviet Union?


The Soviet Union could have succeeded in taking over the world and everyone would be living in a prison/labor camp system today.

Feyrisshire wrote:What if all anime, manga and hentai were invented instead in the Soviet Union or in East Germany (DDR) instead of being invented in Japan as what happened in OTL?


Would never happen. These countries were puritan and would disallow the existence of anime/manga, especially in their current form.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun May 24, 2020 1:41 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:The butterfly effect says we can't actually predict what might have happened in X event had transpired differently. So while we can try, no hypothesis can be 100% accurate.

Dominioan wrote:What if America collapsed, instead of the Soviet Union?


The Soviet Union could have succeeded in taking over the world and everyone would be living in a prison/labor camp system today.

Feyrisshire wrote:What if all anime, manga and hentai were invented instead in the Soviet Union or in East Germany (DDR) instead of being invented in Japan as what happened in OTL?


Would never happen. These countries were puritan and would disallow the existence of anime/manga, especially in their current form.

Not the world. South America, Most of Western Europe, India, parts of Africa, and most of America itself would be free
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What if Maurice Barnett never created Blastphemous HDTV?
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