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In order to facilitate a place where our members can gather and discuss history and other topics without interruption, we have created the Earth X Discussion Thread. The goal of this thread is to be where you ask your questions about history, economics, international relations, etc... leaving the app thread to deal solely with applications, expansions, and thread announcements. Moving forward, we will be asking you to post only in this thread if it has nothing to do with your application, thread announcement, or an expansion request. This will help keep the applications thread free from clutter that could otherwise be in this thread and allow Earth X and its members and future members to more easily find the information they need to create their new claims. Please note: this thread is open only to Earth X members. If you wish to apply, please check out the applications thread linked above.

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Postby Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 8:13 am

I love the smell of a new thread first thing in the morning.

So, you all probably realize this by now, but the Apps thread is all me. The Founders discuss things, then the announcements are made from the apps puppet. It was decided we needed this space to talk among ourselves about our shared history, goals, relations, etc... between the members of Earth X.

One of the things I've been fretting over is where to place a capital in Chrinthania. It's hard to choose one city out of so many. I had thought about Omaha, Austin, and Houston. I really have decided that I want it in Los Angeles, California. I know, I know, it seems to far from the eastern reaches of Chrinthania, but Washington DC is basically on the Atlantic seaboard of the US and it's worked fine for nearly 250 years. So in future, Chrinthania's capital will be in Los Angeles, California forever to reign as the political and economic center of this great North American nation. Of course, now it will be called "Los Angeles, Capital District" or Los Angeles, CD or LACD. LOL

Now, we just need Rome to decide on explorers who can be sent to the New World to drop off languages like Spanish, Portuguese, French, and Italian and I'll be happy :P

As far as Chrinthania's history, I don't necessarily need someone to create vast colonies and us have a war of independence. Wars are difficult and the farther back in history you go, the more difficult they get. If there are colonies in Mexico and Florida that can slowly break away over time and by 1790 be forming their own government, how we get to that point in history is less my concern. If it is a war you want, Roma, then let me know. We can work it out.
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Postby Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 10:03 am

I have decided to take down my starting post in my introductory thread as it was pushing too many problems. I will still keep it as a draft though (as an "Aternate Universe", you might say:-).

That being said, the colonial age and how it plays out affects my nations history, shook there after as few things that I would like too see when the colonial nations (Rome, France-Germany, whoever takes over England and the Netherlands) develop their canon history.

Basically, I don't care what you do in relation to North and South America, but when it comes to Central America and the Carribean I would like for multiple nations to have colonized different Islands and parts of the mainland, creating a mosaic of different cultures and l languages when all is said and done.

I would like this because:
    1. It would create the perfect s setting for the divided Confederacy that my nation is in the modern age.
    2. I would like the opportunity to create my own culture and history in the region rather than having to rely on Latin American and Caribbean culture and history.
    3. Living in Canada I have next to no knowledge or experience in Latin American and Caribbean culture, so I would not be able to do them justice.

Thanks to everyone who will accommodate my historical needs, and good luck to anyone writing about the colonial age.

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Postby Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 10:52 am

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Chrinthania wrote:It's posts like this that concern me not in an in-character way, but an out of character way. This isn't Age of Empires or some game where the goal is to war with and conquer your neighbors. That's not the point of this at all. War is usually the last resort of most nations. Yeah, I know it doesn't seem like these days, but when you break it down, typically war isn't declared for light and transient reasons. Why would it be interesting to war against Chrinthania? Because we're big? Because we're liberal? Because we're a culture built on peace, love, and happiness? If those are your reasons, they're hardly reasons at all. If we've bombed your cities and towns, declared war on you, declared war on your ally... fine.

Who says who is being oppressed? Which nation has the right to decide whose citizens are being oppressed? Certainly not mine or yours or anyone else's. Even if the international community as an overall whole decides people are being oppressed, who is going to risk an all out war to deliver them from evil? There's literally 25 million starving North Korean who are brutally oppressed, but no one is going in to save them. Not because they couldn't, but because it would be an enormous loss of life on both sides and others involved.

People who think war is the best kind of RP always concern me. War is hard to RP properly. You have to write about troop movements. You can't declare war in the first post and in the second post have them invading a far-off land. You can launch an attack, but you have no right to decide what is and isn't destroyed in someone else's nation or how many were killed. You can't claim to have taken out their defenses at all because, guess what, that's not your claim and the other person has the right to decide what happens. You also don't have the right to decide you took no losses or a ridiculously low number of losses if you are attacked. Nor do you have the right to say your defenses eliminated the threat entirely. It's a very, very, very detail-oriented plot when you RP a war. If it's not done right, it goes from seemingly like good RP to godmodding in a heartbeat.

So, no, it wouldn't be interesting to war with anyone. Especially me.... because it will be slow and detailed and well written and that's the only way you can RP war.

That and, in spite of the large military and amount of WMDs, Chrinthania is more your force for peace. We're not interested in war except as the very last resort and will attempt to exhaust all other options first. Wielding power just because you can is not a sign of true strength. True strength is not unleashing the power unless there aren't any other options available.

My objective is not to be rude, but this is one of the major problems facing western civilization today. Many people have become emotional instead of logical thinkers, and it has effected how people take offense and get upset. I believe we have a misunderstanding, I was simply stating that it would be interesting because Chrinthania has a larger population, land claim, and military, and therefore it would not be logical for Liberterrra to war against it. There is nothing wrong with playful simulation, and my intention was not to make a jab at the liberal views of the Chrinthania. In fact, my personal belief is that all ideologies are requisite in order to maintain a free and all around progressing society. So please, don't assume the worst from me.

Next, I hope you did not infer that I am a complete advocate for war either. I still hold my view that war is sometimes necessary, but it should not be the first course of action taken by a country. By default a country should pursue diplomatic solutions, something I think we all understand. Necessary war can range far and wide, from revolutions to world wars and everywhere in between. Specific examples from United States history are the well known American Revolution and American Civil War where people were oppressed. I understand that these examples are from centuries ago, but that doesn't mean they are any less important. But if that does not convince you, what about the War on Terror and the Iraqi Civil War? Terror must be fought and freedom maintained. Citizens in Iraq were oppressed by a tyrannical government, and yes, one can say that because it is obvious. It is not hard to recognize when people are being oppressed, like the example you provided about the North Korean citizens. Unfortunately for them, they have no idea what liberty is, thus they do not know that they are being oppressed. I see where this can become confusing, and I'll break down my perception of it the best I can. Many people who are not truly oppressed occasionally claim they are, and it causes the meaning of the word to lose it's true flavor. Black people are not oppressed in America, and America is actually the best place for a black person to live. They even have over representation in congress and have the highest average income in the world for their race. People are truly oppressed when the government, often fascist, communist, or any other leadership that is corrupt do not allow citizens to make choices for themselves, or their lives and livelihoods are damaged by government actions. I can say who is oppressed because one can read about it in the news, watch it on television, or see it personally. The Chinese people are oppressed and though some won't believe it, during this pandemic even Americans have been oppressed (if you would like me to explain further I can, but I do not wish to make this response too long).

Finally, regarding a RP of my own that you may or may not have referred to (I believe you've seen it, but I'm not positive), I have no intentions of starting a war, merely a right wing activist in my own country desires to support those in another. Easily conceivable and logical, right? I do not desire to become involved in a childish quarrel, it was a joke from the beginning. Unfortunately it was taken seriously and now I am here having to explain the joke (and everyone knows that makes it far less funny). I respect Chrinthania, and I admire your ability to RP so tactically and with such influence. I hope we can maintain a fair relationship as I do not seek to make enemies. I will now leave this thread to applications.


And you took my tongue-in-cheek reply as some sort of emotional, illogical reply, which it wasn't. Hard to infer body language and intent sometimes when all there is is text. So, no harm, no foul on my side, my friend. And yes, I do agree it would not be in your best interest to war with Chrinthania. Just because we're a pot-smoking, liberal, surfing, hippie, free-love paradise doesn't mean we're not ready, willing, and able to war.
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Postby -Roma Invicta- » Sun May 24, 2020 11:00 am

I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.

My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.

As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.

As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.

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Postby The United Conservative Provinces » Sun May 24, 2020 11:11 am

-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.

My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.

As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.

As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.

Good to know, I may have to adjust my history though. What do the nations on the American continent think about RPing a history of colonization by Rome to reduce confusion and create a history?
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Postby Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 11:14 am

-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.

My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.

As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.

As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.


Thanks, that's great for my history. I can have an Italian, a French, and a Spanish faction in the Confederacy. Maybe also a Franco-German one depending on what they decide to do, and an English one depending on who claims that. I'll make sure that an Oceanorian dialect of Latin is the main language seeing the number of factors from Rome.

On a side note, seeing as this is an alternate Earth, will any of the African powers be Colonizers? Seeing as we have the flexibility to change history, maybe some of the more powerful African nations should make their own colonies. If that where the case then I would include factions from each African Colonizers. Anyways, It's just a thought.

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Postby Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 11:15 am

The United Conservative Provinces wrote:
-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.

My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.

As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.

As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.

Good to know, I may have to adjust my history though. What do the nations on the American continent think about RPing a history of colonization by Rome to reduce confusion and create a history?

I mean, I prefer to write history OOCly. RPing it can be fun, though. I'm easy either way.

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-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.

My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.

As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.

As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.


Thanks, that's great for my history. I can have an Italian, a French, and a Spanish faction in the Confederacy. Maybe also a Franco-German one depending on what they decide to do, and an English one depending on who claims that. I'll make sure that an Oceanorian dialect of Latin is the main language seeing the number of factors from Rome.

On a side note, seeing as this is an alternate Earth, will any of the African powers be Colonizers? Seeing as we have the flexibility to change history, maybe some of the more powerful African nations should make their own colonies. If that where the case then I would include factions from each African Colonizers. Anyways, It's just a thought.


Maybe, who knows in the future. No way to predict who will do what when they apply. I'd certainly be open to it.
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Postby Kulandu » Sun May 24, 2020 11:28 am

Oceanor wrote:On a side note, seeing as this is an alternate Earth, will any of the African powers be Colonizers? Seeing as we have the flexibility to change history, maybe some of the more powerful African nations should make their own colonies. If that where the case then I would include factions from each African Colonizers. Anyways, It's just a thought.


Entirely possible. I deliberately made Kulandu quite small because I have a massive nation claim elsewhere on NS and wanted something less world-shaking, but nothing says that African colonisers can't be a thing.

Kulandu is also a former Roman colony, it achieved independence in 1967 but ultimately fell under a corrupt administration twenty years later (and has been under it ever since). If anyone wants any dubious individuals (criminals, etc.) from their nation to have fled to Kulandu in an attempt to evade justice then I've got no problem with that. Equally there will be political opponents of President Nkansah who managed to escape Kulandu so they could have fled to any of the other nations in Earth X if there's any interest in that.

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Postby Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 11:56 am

Hey everyone,

Does anyone have plans for a war or major world event in 1948? Just wondering because I'm planning on that being the founding year of my nation.

Also, (for Rome) is it ok if by that time your colonies in the region have been dropped off, or that Rome let's them join Oceanor. Same goes for other Caribbean and Central American Colonizers.

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Postby Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 12:00 pm

Oceanor wrote:Hey everyone,

Does anyone have plans for a war or major world event in 1948? Just wondering because I'm planning on that being the founding year of my nation.

Also, (for Rome) is it ok if by that time your colonies in the region have been dropped off, or that Rome let's them join Oceanor. Same goes for other Caribbean and Central American Colonizers.

Shouldn't let war stop you from your nation's destiny! Besides, Chrinthania is nearby and will be ready to prevent aggressor nations from trying to prevent your confederation attempt. Monroe Doctrine, ahoy!
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Postby -Roma Invicta- » Sun May 24, 2020 3:30 pm

Well, around the time of the Second World War in our timeline, late 1930s, early 1940s, my broad overview is that this is the period in which Rome finally manages to secure the Eastern Provinces, so Rome's attention would very much be focused on Europe and the Middle East, and less on any lingering colonial presence in the Americas.
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Postby Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 5:10 pm

Hey everyone!

I've just finished making a little project that I think would enhance Earth X. It's called the Earth X Timeline, and it's basically a collaborative Google Document that will contain a timeline of canon Earth X history. I go into more depth in the intro to the document, so please check it out.

To the Founders: if you would like for me not to do this, just tell me. It won't matter to me either way, I just thought it was a cool idea.

Anyways, the link is here, and anyone can go and check it out. Maybe you'll even add an event! Just remember that you can only add things that you know for a FACT are canon, so be sure to keep that in mind.

I present to you the Earth X Timeline

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Postby Big Carencia » Mon May 25, 2020 7:41 am

What I wanted to say in the other thread
1 I can change the gdp a bit to make it higher (enough not to starve). I did the sum of the countries that really make up my kingdom (that's why it came out so low)
2 I will reduce the active military rate, I will leave it at 50% and the rest in reserve
3 If you've read my RP sample, you'll see that piracy will now only take place with state-declared enemies. With any country that does not want to eliminate us, we will not take piracy measures. (In case of attempted conquest, we will go throughout the game expanding both maritime and aviation forces, to avoid that they can easily destroy us)
(again thanks for the patience)
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Big Carencia wrote:What I wanted to say in the other thread
1 I can change the gdp a bit to make it higher (enough not to starve). I did the sum of the countries that really make up my kingdom (that's why it came out so low)
2 I will reduce the active military rate, I will leave it at 50% and the rest in reserve
3 If you've read my RP sample, you'll see that piracy will now only take place with state-declared enemies. With any country that does not want to eliminate us, we will not take piracy measures. (In case of attempted conquest, we will go throughout the game expanding both maritime and aviation forces, to avoid that they can easily destroy us)
(again thanks for the patience)

You can talk about your application in the applications thread. That's fine. Just... blue background on black text makes words hard to see, my friend. Also, we've replied to you on the app thread.
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Earth X Apps wrote:
Big Carencia wrote:What I wanted to say in the other thread
1 I can change the gdp a bit to make it higher (enough not to starve). I did the sum of the countries that really make up my kingdom (that's why it came out so low)
2 I will reduce the active military rate, I will leave it at 50% and the rest in reserve
3 If you've read my RP sample, you'll see that piracy will now only take place with state-declared enemies. With any country that does not want to eliminate us, we will not take piracy measures. (In case of attempted conquest, we will go throughout the game expanding both maritime and aviation forces, to avoid that they can easily destroy us)
(again thanks for the patience)

You can talk about your application in the applications thread. That's fine. Just... blue background on black text makes words hard to see, my friend. Also, we've replied to you on the app thread.

I had written it before reading it. Sorry
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Postby Grand Indochina » Mon May 25, 2020 4:15 pm

-Roma Invicta- What is your nation's historical relationship with Asia ? In our world, Asia was influenced by many foreign empires from Europe during the 16th and 18th, colonialism and such... does the same thing happens to this world ?
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Postby -Roma Invicta- » Mon May 25, 2020 5:24 pm

Grand Indochina wrote:-Roma Invicta- What is your nation's historical relationship with Asia ? In our world, Asia was influenced by many foreign empires from Europe during the 16th and 18th, colonialism and such... does the same thing happens to this world ?


Yes. As with the New World, it stands to reason that a surviving Rome would be at the forefront of exploration and colonialism. Indeed, given that historically the Romans were aware of the existance of Asia and the Far East, this only increases the likliehood that Rome would have explored that way and settled colonies there, as Rome was want to do in most places.

You can safely assume that any explorrers, expeditions, etc, that originated in OTL from somewhere under Rome's control would have happened, although they would likely have been sanctioned direcltly by Rome.

If you need to discuss specifics, we definately can! :)

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Postby Earth X Apps » Mon May 25, 2020 5:31 pm

Oceanor wrote:Hey everyone!

I've just finished making a little project that I think would enhance Earth X. It's called the Earth X Timeline, and it's basically a collaborative Google Document that will contain a timeline of canon Earth X history. I go into more depth in the intro to the document, so please check it out.

To the Founders: if you would like for me not to do this, just tell me. It won't matter to me either way, I just thought it was a cool idea.

Anyways, the link is here, and anyone can go and check it out. Maybe you'll even add an event! Just remember that you can only add things that you know for a FACT are canon, so be sure to keep that in mind.

I present to you the Earth X Timeline

This is excellent and we're appreciative of your hard work for this. What we are going to do is transfer your idea to the Discussion Thread and have it secured in one of our reserved threads for posterity and future expansion. Thank you! You rock, brah!
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Postby Chrinthania » Mon May 25, 2020 5:32 pm

-Roma Invicta- wrote:
Grand Indochina wrote:-Roma Invicta- What is your nation's historical relationship with Asia ? In our world, Asia was influenced by many foreign empires from Europe during the 16th and 18th, colonialism and such... does the same thing happens to this world ?


Yes. As with the New World, it stands to reason that a surviving Rome would be at the forefront of exploration and colonialism. Indeed, given that historically the Romans were aware of the existance of Asia and the Far East, this only increases the likliehood that Rome would have explored that way and settled colonies there, as Rome was want to do in most places.

You can safely assume that any explorrers, expeditions, etc, that originated in OTL from somewhere under Rome's control would have happened, although they would likely have been sanctioned direcltly by Rome.
If you need to discuss specifics, we definately can! :)


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Postby Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:06 am

ooc. I think they haven't understood me. when I put `` all ''. I meant that all the ships of your nations can pass as long as the conditions are met, to inform the kingdom that they will pass. The only ones to worry about are stateless people and anyone who does not meet the established conditions. Currently all countries can pass safely. When I say `` all '' I mean that the country have all the permissions to navigate. I am going to modify the document so that everyone can understand it without error.
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viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486045 Playing as the Australian Federation
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=485294 Playing as the Kingdom of Big Carencia
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=486822 Playing as Aprohis , God of Deception and Snakes
Everything I say here does not represent my actual views.
``Do what I do and don't get involved in politic´´ -Francisco Franco
what I believe (although nobody understands it because it is in Spanish)

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