Current Proposal At Vote

[Norastan]

Why should I tell what laws are in place to my citizens, it is my country and I can do whatever I want with it, get arrested because you didn't know a law, too bad, the people are weak, power to the government!

[Atheris]

Then don't join the WA.

[Grays Harbor]

Debating the current at vote proposal belongs here.
Don’t Spam, please.

[Norastan]

Then don't join the WA.

But I would still have to follow WA laws even if I'm not in, so the best thing I can do is vote against it.

[Kenmoria]

Then don't join the WA.

But I would still have to follow WA laws even if I'm not in, so the best thing I can do is vote against it.

You only have to follow GA laws if you are in the World Assembly.

[Atheris]

Then don't join the WA.

But I would still have to follow WA laws even if I'm not in, so the best thing I can do is vote against it.

No, you don't.

"World Assembly membership in NationStates is a choice, not a requirement. Those of us who chose to participate have certain responsibilities to ourselves, each other, and the entire NationStates community. At the same time, we as NationStates have certain rights and responsibilities that we do not willingly relinquish when we chose to join the World Assembly.

It is therefore vital to clearly delineate what constitutes sovereign law versus international law passed by this World Assembly. This document will attempt to enumerate those most basic of rights, as they exist within and as defined by the World Assembly of NationStates."

GA#2.

[Ethnic Nations]

Then don't join the WA.

Why? So your type can dominate the vote? This resolution hasn't been passed yet, and it looks like it won't get passed, thank goodness.

[Atheris]

Then don't join the WA.

Why? So your type can dominate the vote? This resolution hasn't been passed yet, and it looks like it won't get passed, thank goodness.

What do you mean by my type? WA Delegates? I'm only the delegate for Ealdgeriht because it was at risk of being raided.

It's honestly very simple. If you don't want to abide by WA law, then don't join the WA.

[Ethnic Nations]

Why? So your type can dominate the vote? This resolution hasn't been passed yet, and it looks like it won't get passed, thank goodness.

What do you mean by my type? WA Delegates? I'm only the delegate for Ealdgeriht because it was at risk of being raided.

It's honestly very simple. If you don't want to abide by WA law, then don't join the WA.

By your type, I mean authoritarian one-world fucks who don't respect national sovereignty.

At no point did OP say he doesn't want to abide by WA law. He said that WA law shouldn't govern the domestic affairs of countries, which is a very valid point.

[Atheris]

What do you mean by my type? WA Delegates? I'm only the delegate for Ealdgeriht because it was at risk of being raided.

It's honestly very simple. If you don't want to abide by WA law, then don't join the WA.

By your type, I mean authoritarian one-world fucks who don't respect national sovereignty.

At no point did OP say he doesn't want to abide by WA law. He said that WA law shouldn't govern the domestic affairs of countries, which is a very valid point.

I'm not an authoritarian, or one-world. I respect national boundaries and I'm very much a social democrat. I've said I advocate for authoritarian dictatorship in some countries, but only if it keeps the country together, a la SFR Yugoslavia.

Also, the WA should very much be able to influence domestic politics. It's based off of The Organization That Shall Not Be Named, which directly influences member nation's domestic politics IRL. Saying the WA shouldn't be able to influence domestic politics is akin to saying that the US federal government shouldn't be able to influence state law.

If you don't want to abide by WA law, then leave the WA. It's second grade.

[Shazbotdom]

What do you mean by my type? WA Delegates? I'm only the delegate for Ealdgeriht because it was at risk of being raided.

It's honestly very simple. If you don't want to abide by WA law, then don't join the WA.

By your type, I mean authoritarian one-world fucks who don't respect national sovereignty.

At no point did OP say he doesn't want to abide by WA law. He said that WA law shouldn't govern the domestic affairs of countries, which is a very valid point.

And what he, and you, are not understanding is that if you DID NOT JOIN the World Assembly, then WA Legislation does not apply to you.

Also, calling others names (in your case, calling someone an "Authoritarian one-world fuck") is against the Rules here on the forums. I suggest some Light Reading before Reppy starts to use her Banhammer.

[Atheist Democratic Freehold]

What do you mean by my type? WA Delegates? I'm only the delegate for Ealdgeriht because it was at risk of being raided.

It's honestly very simple. If you don't want to abide by WA law, then don't join the WA.

By your type, I mean authoritarian one-world fucks who don't respect national sovereignty.

At no point did OP say he doesn't want to abide by WA law. He said that WA law shouldn't govern the domestic affairs of countries, which is a very valid point.

Except that IS WA law. Without that there would only be a security council.

[Ethnic Nations]

I'm not an authoritarian, or one-world. I respect national boundaries and I'm very much a social democrat. I've said I advocate for authoritarian dictatorship in some countries, but only if it keeps the country together, a la SFR Yugoslavia.

Wow, I'm totally surprised that the socialist authoritarian one-worlder wants to keep a Communist dictatorship under Communist rule.

Also, the WA should very much be able to influence domestic politics. It's based off of The Organization That Shall Not Be Named, which directly influences member nation's domestic politics IRL. Saying the WA shouldn't be able to influence domestic politics is akin to saying that the US federal government shouldn't be able to influence state law.

To compare the role of a nation with the role of the WA just further shows your one-world tendencies. Nations are the only sovereign entities. States are arbitrary subdivisions used to better govern different regions within the nation. Now, you used the US federal government as a counterexample, but in fact the federal government shouldn't have any influence on state law according to the Constitution. Activist judges on the Supreme Court changed that over the years, and I'll be damned if I idly watch the same thing occur on an international level.

If you don't want to abide by WA law, then leave the WA. It's second grade.

That's patently ridiculous. You don't leave an organization just because you disagree with one rule, especially when that rule isn't even going to pass. I envision the WA as an institution governing only international relations, and I intend to use my vote to make that vision a reality.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I mean, really, I flagrantly disregard WA regulations and GA laws all the time. I got the slavery policy, by god.

[Atheris]

I mean, really, I flagrantly disregard WA regulations and GA laws all the time. I got the slavery policy, by god.

>implying the modern papacy doesn't

I jest, I jest.

[Ethnic Nations]

By your type, I mean authoritarian one-world fucks who don't respect national sovereignty.

At no point did OP say he doesn't want to abide by WA law. He said that WA law shouldn't govern the domestic affairs of countries, which is a very valid point.

Except that IS WA law. Without that there would only be a security council.

That's not true. Issues such as international trade, international crime, international security, cooperation on environmental protection, etc. would go through the WA. As far as I'm aware, the security council only condemns and commends various nations and regions.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I mean, really, I flagrantly disregard WA regulations and GA laws all the time. I got the slavery policy, by god.

>implying the modern papacy doesn't

I jest, I jest.

We make the modern papacy look absolutely Christlike. But yeah, the WA is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules. I leave it to the fact that I don't ever really engage with the WA as the reason why I've never been censured or whatever.

[Atheist Democratic Freehold]

I'm not an authoritarian, or one-world. I respect national boundaries and I'm very much a social democrat. I've said I advocate for authoritarian dictatorship in some countries, but only if it keeps the country together, a la SFR Yugoslavia.

Wow, I'm totally surprised that the socialist authoritarian one-worlder wants to keep a Communist dictatorship under Communist rule.

Also, the WA should very much be able to influence domestic politics. It's based off of The Organization That Shall Not Be Named, which directly influences member nation's domestic politics IRL. Saying the WA shouldn't be able to influence domestic politics is akin to saying that the US federal government shouldn't be able to influence state law.

To compare the role of a nation with the role of the WA just further shows your one-world tendencies. Nations are the only sovereign entities. States are arbitrary subdivisions used to better govern different regions within the nation. Now, you used the US federal government as a counterexample, but in fact the federal government shouldn't have any influence on state law according to the Constitution. Activist judges on the Supreme Court changed that over the years, and I'll be damned if I idly watch the same thing occur on an international level.

If you don't want to abide by WA law, then leave the WA. It's second grade.

That's patently ridiculous. You don't leave an organization just because you disagree with one rule, especially when that rule isn't even going to pass. I envision the WA as an institution governing only international relations, and I intend to use my vote to make that vision a reality.

Hey Ethnic, how long have you been here? You don't seem to understand much about the WA. You should leave the WA if you don't want to abide by it, because in OP's case I am sure virtually every law will be against them. I don't even think you understand the point of what Atheris said.

[Atheris]

>implying the modern papacy doesn't

I jest, I jest.

We make the modern papacy look absolutely Christlike. But yeah, the WA is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules. I leave it to the fact that I don't ever really engage with the WA as the reason why I've never been censured or whatever.

I believe "condemned" is the term you're looking for.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

We make the modern papacy look absolutely Christlike. But yeah, the WA is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules. I leave it to the fact that I don't ever really engage with the WA as the reason why I've never been censured or whatever.

I believe "condemned" is the term you're looking for.

I thought the Security Council resolutions were more for like raiding and that sort of thing. Huh.

[Ethnic Nations]

Wow, I'm totally surprised that the socialist authoritarian one-worlder wants to keep a Communist dictatorship under Communist rule.



To compare the role of a nation with the role of the WA just further shows your one-world tendencies. Nations are the only sovereign entities. States are arbitrary subdivisions used to better govern different regions within the nation. Now, you used the US federal government as a counterexample, but in fact the federal government shouldn't have any influence on state law according to the Constitution. Activist judges on the Supreme Court changed that over the years, and I'll be damned if I idly watch the same thing occur on an international level.



That's patently ridiculous. You don't leave an organization just because you disagree with one rule, especially when that rule isn't even going to pass. I envision the WA as an institution governing only international relations, and I intend to use my vote to make that vision a reality.

Hey Ethnic, how long have you been here? You don't seem to understand much about the WA. You should leave the WA if you don't want to abide by it, because in OP's case I am sure virtually every law will be against them. I don't even think you understand the point of what Atheris said.

Nice talking point that I've already addressed twice now. You just want people who disagree with you to leave the WA so that you can mold the WA at will.

[Atheist Democratic Freehold]

Except that IS WA law. Without that there would only be a security council.

That's not true. Issues such as international trade, international crime, international security, cooperation on environmental protection, etc. would go through the WA. As far as I'm aware, the security council only condemns and commends various nations and regions.

Advancing what you believe is right without the intention to do so can be considered domestic.

Also, answer my question Ethnic. I am already almost certain this thread is about to get locked.

[Atheris]

I believe "condemned" is the term you're looking for.

I thought the Security Council resolutions were more for like raiding and that sort of thing. Huh.

Oh, no. People are trying to condemn Australian RePublic for writing issues.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I thought the Security Council resolutions were more for like raiding and that sort of thing. Huh.

Oh, no. People are trying to condemn Australian RePublic for writing issues.

I really need to know about the organization I'm apart of...

Still though, interesting enough as is. Don't wanna threadjack, even though this thread should not exist, but do players actually ever get condemned or commended for policies enacted via gameplay? E.g. my own slavery, child labor, id chips, organ harvesting, id chipping etc etc?

[Atheist Democratic Freehold]

Hey Ethnic, how long have you been here? You don't seem to understand much about the WA. You should leave the WA if you don't want to abide by it, because in OP's case I am sure virtually every law will be against them. I don't even think you understand the point of what Atheris said.

Nice talking point that I've already addressed twice now. You just want people who disagree with you to leave the WA so that you can mold the WA at will.

Well, this nation isn't in the WA. It's bold of you to assume such a shitty thing.