MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Northern Davincia]

Yet you have not provided a reason for us to believe anyone in high office is a fascist.

Wouldn’t placing the priority of the economy, and thus the state, over the well-being of human lives count as just a wee bit fascist?

Not at all. Human lives are impacted by the wellbeing of the economy, as proven by the people who cannot be reemployed thanks to the lockdown.

[Eahland]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

[WayNeacTia]

Wouldn’t placing the priority of the economy, and thus the state, over the well-being of human lives count as just a wee bit fascist?

Not at all. Human lives are impacted by the wellbeing of the economy, as proven by the people who cannot be reemployed thanks to the lockdown.

I see. So corporate wellbeing trumps human life? Is it not the duty of the government to provide for the people, when the people cannot provide for themselves? Is that not why the safety blanket is elected, in the first place?

[Northern Davincia]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

The Proud Boys were among the more respectable groups in the Unite the Right march, and Antifa is very much not the same thing as being against fascism.
Which white supremacist propaganda are you speaking of currently?

[Northern Davincia]

Not at all. Human lives are impacted by the wellbeing of the economy, as proven by the people who cannot be reemployed thanks to the lockdown.

I see. So corporate wellbeing trumps human life? Is it not the duty of the government to provide for the people, when the people cannot provide for themselves? Is that not why the safety blanket is elected, in the first place?

Did I say corporate wellbeing trumps human life? The duty of the government is to provide for either the majority of voters or the wealthiest donors, not the people at large. The safety blanket is just to keep people calm and distracted from the reasons why it exists in the first place.

There are a growing number of people who cannot find work because, for lots of businesses, it is impossible to reopen. Large corporations can survive what small businesses cannot. I have no desire to see the expansion of the permanently unemployed, or the ill effects on their families.

[Cannot think of a name]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

The Proud Boys were among the more respectable groups in the Unite the Right march, and Antifa is very much not the same thing as being against fascism.
Which white supremacist propaganda are you speaking of currently?

That question alone...

[Northern Davincia]

The Proud Boys were among the more respectable groups in the Unite the Right march, and Antifa is very much not the same thing as being against fascism.
Which white supremacist propaganda are you speaking of currently?

That question alone...

All questions have an answer, I presume.

[Kowani]

Wouldn’t placing the priority of the economy, and thus the state, over the well-being of human lives count as just a wee bit fascist?

Not at all. Human lives are impacted by the wellbeing of the economy, as proven by the people who cannot be reemployed thanks to the lockdown.

Looking at how Texas, Florida and the rest of the “early-open” states have faired, I’d say that opening the lockdowns have been an Economic negative.

[Cisairse]

I see. So corporate wellbeing trumps human life? Is it not the duty of the government to provide for the people, when the people cannot provide for themselves? Is that not why the safety blanket is elected, in the first place?

Did I say corporate wellbeing trumps human life? The duty of the government is to provide for either the majority of voters or the wealthiest donors, not the people at large. The safety blanket is just to keep people calm and distracted from the reasons why it exists in the first place.

There are a growing number of people who cannot find work because, for lots of businesses, it is impossible to reopen. Large corporations can survive what small businesses cannot. I have no desire to see the expansion of the permanently unemployed, or the ill effects on their families.

There are tried-and-true solutions to these problems.

Solutions the GOP is refusing to implement.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The duty of the government is to provide for either the majority of voters or the wealthiest donors, not the people at large.

Granted that the duty of government is to both (voters and donors) it's not either of them who government serves. It's the majority of the future, and the donors of the future. Governments once elected can do whatever they please, and if that was either the will of voters or the will of donors, you would know that loud and clear. Governments would do stuff you can't even imagine.

Governments are more motivated by getting re-elected, than they are to do what voters or donors told them to. That is why governments are always too cautious: it's much easier to lose a vote than to win a vote. And it's much easier to lose a donor than to win a donor.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I see. So corporate wellbeing trumps human life? Is it not the duty of the government to provide for the people, when the people cannot provide for themselves? Is that not why the safety blanket is elected, in the first place?

Did I say corporate wellbeing trumps human life? The duty of the government is to provide for either the majority of voters or the wealthiest donors, not the people at large. The safety blanket is just to keep people calm and distracted from the reasons why it exists in the first place.

There are a growing number of people who cannot find work because, for lots of businesses, it is impossible to reopen. Large corporations can survive what small businesses cannot. I have no desire to see the expansion of the permanently unemployed, or the ill effects on their families.

You really ought to read some David Hume, especially on his Guillotine, because you show a consistent failure to separate what is and what ought to be.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not at all. Human lives are impacted by the wellbeing of the economy, as proven by the people who cannot be reemployed thanks to the lockdown.

Looking at how Texas, Florida and the rest of the “early-open” states have faired, I’d say that opening the lockdowns have been an Economic negative.

You know the economic stats take a while to come through, though?

Florida, I would say is doing long term damage to its tourism industry. It will hold up well for a while, but the reputation as "that place I caught covid and killed grandpa" will cut deep in the long term.

[Ifreann]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

The Proud Boys were among the more respectable groups in the Unite the Right march, and Antifa is very much not the same thing as being against fascism.
Which white supremacist propaganda are you speaking of currently?

The Proud Boys didn't go to the Unite the Right march. Then Grand Wizard Gavin McInnes, or whatever his title was, told them to skip it.

[The Emerald Legion]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

Well no. Democrats are the real fascists because their party politics are literally a copypasta of Mein Kampf to the point that left wing intellectuals can't tell the difference as long as you replace the one being ranted against.

Like yes, Neo Nazis are shitty people but they're not the one with an entire political party and major corporate backing.

[Vassenor]

>Proud Boys

>Respectable

*wheezes*

[The Emerald Legion]

>Proud Boys

>Respectable

*wheezes*

The SPLC is literally just a hatchet job monger. Trusting them on what is and isn't a hate group is like asking Joseph McCarthy what is and isn't communism.

[Valrifell]

Trump: *spends four years alternately demonizing China, to whom he owes a large amount of money, and buddying up to them, depending entirely on what he believes personally benefits him at the moment*
also Trump: *tells everyone how there are very good people among the Nazis literally murdering people in the street*
also also Trump: *retweets white supremacist propaganda*
Trump's administration: *declares antifascism terrorism*
Trump's campaign: *runs ads using Nazi symbology for the purposes the Nazis used it for and throws in some Nazi numerology gang signs for good measure*
the usual suspects: "The Democrats are the real fascists because China!"

Well no. Democrats are the real fascists because their party politics are literally a copypasta of Mein Kampf to the point that left wing intellectuals can't tell the difference as long as you replace the one being ranted against.

I... uh... what?

[The Emerald Legion]

Well no. Democrats are the real fascists because their party politics are literally a copypasta of Mein Kampf to the point that left wing intellectuals can't tell the difference as long as you replace the one being ranted against.

I... uh... what?

What do you mean what? The Democratic party is literally the Nazi party. They just demonize different people.

[Valrifell]

I... uh... what?

What do you mean what? The Democratic party is literally the Nazi party. They just demonize different people.

I'm dumbfounded at such a ludicrous proposition.

[Ifreann]

What do you mean what? The Democratic party is literally the Nazi party. They just demonize different people.

I'm dumbfounded at such a ludicrous proposition.

I believe that's the point.

[The Emerald Legion]

What do you mean what? The Democratic party is literally the Nazi party. They just demonize different people.

I'm dumbfounded at such a ludicrous proposition.

It's hardly ludicrous. The issue is most people don't actually know Jack shit about the Nazis.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm dumbfounded at such a ludicrous proposition.

It's hardly ludicrous. The issue is most people don't actually know Jack shit about the Nazis.

Whereas you have studied them in great detail. Particularly the uniforms I'm guessing ...

[The Emerald Legion]

It's hardly ludicrous. The issue is most people don't actually know Jack shit about the Nazis.

Whereas you have studied them in great detail. Particularly the uniforms I'm guessing ...

In great detail? No. I liked History in school though, so I always read more than what we were required to learn. So I'm aware of the fact that Nazi politics by and large mirror the Democratic parties.

Hence why I'm not particularly fond of them.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Whereas you have studied them in great detail. Particularly the uniforms I'm guessing ...

In great detail? No. I liked History in school though, so I always read more than what we were required to learn. So I'm aware of the fact that Nazi politics by and large mirror the Democratic parties.

Hence why I'm not particularly fond of them.

I see. And how much have you studied the Democratic party?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

So I'm aware of the fact that Nazi politics by and large mirror the Democratic parties.

Uh huh, sure.