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[Abandoned] Kids these days: Growing up fast-or not at all?

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[Abandoned] Kids these days: Growing up fast-or not at all?

Postby CzechoSlovakishMoravia » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:14 am

"Kids these days: Growing up fast-or not at all?"

Description: A new study has shown, that with the skyrocketing development of education, the newest generation of students all around @@NAME@@ has incredibly increased intelligence compared to last generations. You, as the leader of the nation, and big influencers of the nation's education were invited to celebrate this great advancement with some of the best students as of now.

Validity: Average scientific advancement, average intelligence, average enviroment, below average public education, high income inequality

Option 1:
"I am really very proud of my son" says @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE_1@@, a disabled mother of a champion in @@REGION@@ Math Cup. "I am always know god was on his side to help him be gooder than the rest of our family. I am glad our big nation provide many opportunity for such high I queue people like my son, I am wish there are even more. God bless you."

Effect 1: God casually helps students cheat on exams.


Option 2:
"Mom, please..." says @@RANDOMNAMEMALE_1@@, the said son. "I did it all by myself, and... for You. Although there may be god on my side, which... uhh... Whatever, I just wanna say I'm glad I was born in this nation, it's amazing what people can do together and I'm sure I'm gonna be one of the next big scientists to change @@REGION@@."

Effect 2: Kids at young age are taken away from their families to do rocket science.
Validity 2: Must have child Labor.


Option 3:
"Mom, please..." says @@RANDOMNAMEMALE_1@@, the said son. "I did it all for myself. I didn't want to go down the same path as the rest of the family. Speaking of which, what do I do now?" "What do you mean, son?" "Well, you know... I can't get a job yet. I turned 11 a week ago. Don't you remember? Well, anyway, I want to contribute to the society, I want to help @@NAME@@ in research, science, whatever! Just tell me what do learn, lower the legal age for getting a job and I'll get right into it!"

Effect 3: Kids at young age go away from their families to do rocket science.
Validity 3: Must not have child Labor.


Option 4:
"BULLCRAP!" yells Ms. @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE_2@@, the minister of labour, silencing the room for a good few seconds. Then you smell it... "This is straight up disgusting, how could anyone do that? Don't you see the consequences with employing KIDS?" says the minister so loud that your secretary, who's also your daughter, spills your coffee on the floor. "Kids are still kids and they should NEVER do ANY kind of work until the age of 21 when they are mature enough. NEVER.

Effect 4: Kids get parents in depts because they don't want to get bored.


Option 5:
Just before Ms. @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE_2@@ starts cursing at the kid, she gets pushed away by your twin brothers, @@RANDOMNAMEMALE_2@@ and @@RANDOMNAMEMALE_3@@, who lead the education system in @@NAME@@ and @@CAPITAL@@ respectively. "@@LEADER@@, we both read the study in question, and we found out, that the highlighted part of the study only took place in prestigious schools." "The second part of the study shows, that most of our public primary and secondary schools are some of the WORST in the @@REGION@@!", they handle you the study, then they both start begging you for 3 minutes to approve more funds for the public education system.

Effect 5: Teachers enjoy an expensive vacation every year.


Option 6:
While the begging goes on, your daughter comes back with a new coffee. While handing it, she has a feeling that something's off. And indeed, after closer inspection, she found a very small text below the label, "published by ResearchOFLilliputia" she says out loud, silencing the begging. "Did you guys seriously not notice this? Did you guys not notice that this was published by those hell-lying ducks?", your brothers look at eachother dumbfounded. Your sister continues: "I won't believe anything this paper says. I don't want to believe anything anyone says! I can't! I..." your sister runs to the bathroom, screaming at the whole hallway.

Effect 6: People don't believe a word a foreigner says.



My first issue, not a native speaker, not normal either. Hope it's not too long.
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Postby Candensia » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:47 am

Hello, welcome to GI!

Looking through the draft, I do notice some writing errors and gramatical oddities.

But, right now this is the biggest concern

Description: A new study has shown, that with the skyrocketing development of education, the newest generation of students all around @@NAME@@ has increased intelligence compared to last generations.


I don't see the issue. What is the problem that needs to be handled by @@LEADER@@?
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Postby CzechoSlovakishMoravia » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:10 pm

Candensia wrote:Hello, welcome to GI!

Looking through the draft, I do notice some writing errors and gramatical oddities.

But, right now this is the biggest concern

Description: A new study has shown, that with the skyrocketing development of education, the newest generation of students all around @@NAME@@ has increased intelligence compared to last generations.


I don't see the issue. What is the problem that needs to be handled by @@LEADER@@?


Thanks for the warm welcome; I've expanded the description so the leader would have a reason to get to this issue. Not conventional, but still viable I suppose.
As for writing errors, those surely may happen, but when it comes to the mother's monologue in option 1, those errors are completely intentional.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:11 pm

Why is this an issue? Isn't that a good thing?
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:51 pm

CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:Description: A new study has shown, that with the skyrocketing development of education, the newest generation of students all around @@NAME@@ has increased intelligence compared to last generations. You, as the leader of the nation, and big influencers of the nation's education were invited to celebrate this great advancement with some of the best students as of now.
So, what's the dilemma?

Issues are usually about "Something bad has happened! How do we solve it?", or sometimes "Something with the potential to be unexpectedly good has happened. How do we best take advantage of it?". This description is just presenting something that happened, without presenting any reason why the government should be doing something about it. Even after reading the first option, there's still no coherent government policy proposed.

For that matter, it's not clear what even happened. So... kids are doing better at school? All of them, or just a few prodigies? Legitimately or because they're cheating on their exams (as the first effect line suggests)? Why did this happen, anyway?

Realistically, there does not seem to be a trend over time for children spending less time in school. In fact, my observation of real-life history is rather to the contrary: as science and technology advance and the overall body of human knowledge grows, the amount of stuff society feels that children need to learn before they're ready to face life keeps going up, and the age at which we start considering people "adults" goes up with it.

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Postby CzechoSlovakishMoravia » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:26 am

Trotterdam wrote:
CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:Description: A new study has shown, that with the skyrocketing development of education, the newest generation of students all around @@NAME@@ has increased intelligence compared to last generations. You, as the leader of the nation, and big influencers of the nation's education were invited to celebrate this great advancement with some of the best students as of now.
So, what's the dilemma?

Issues are usually about "Something bad has happened! How do we solve it?", or sometimes "Something with the potential to be unexpectedly good has happened. How do we best take advantage of it?". This description is just presenting something that happened, without presenting any reason why the government should be doing something about it. Even after reading the first option, there's still no coherent government policy proposed.

For that matter, it's not clear what even happened. So... kids are doing better at school? All of them, or just a few prodigies? Legitimately or because they're cheating on their exams (as the first effect line suggests)? Why did this happen, anyway?

Realistically, there does not seem to be a trend over time for children spending less time in school. In fact, my observation of real-life history is rather to the contrary: as science and technology advance and the overall body of human knowledge grows, the amount of stuff society feels that children need to learn before they're ready to face life keeps going up, and the age at which we start considering people "adults" goes up with it.

Ok, I understand that the description is really different from the most of the other issues, but there are some (or at least I had 1 such issue so far) where the leader goes somewhere because of a good event and that then escalated into an issue. That's pretty much what I tried to go for as well.

A study showed there was a big increase in intelligence all around the state;
1: Seeing that the spiritual mother of a cup champion is bad at English, you think the kid's a cheater (thanks to god presumably);
2: Considering child labour is legal, the kid was actually forced to become a new scientist; /
3: The kid has no job because he's underage, so you allow child labour to put kids with big potential to work;
4: No mather the previous option, the minimum age for obtaining job increases (Which At Least for me would mean I'd either go to another school or stay home);
5. Your brothers found the whole study, finding out the school system in the nation is actually really unequal, begging you to equalize it some way (which in my mind would mean decreasing funding at the prestigious schools and increasing funding at the non-prestigious schools, lowering the scientific advancement);
6: Your daughter notices the study was produced by Liliputians, who are also known in another issue to fund terrorists against your nation, giving you an option to sort of isolate the nation?

That's pretty much my thought process behind this issue.

If it still feels weird, I'll try to rewrite some parts of the issue when I have time.

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Postby Ko-oren » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:35 am

I'd be open for something positive to provide a new choice to be made. I like the style, too. However, it's not always clear what each choice is for, exactly. You'll notice that in most/all issues, a debater's point is summarised at the end so the player knows pretty much what they're getting as an effect.

I agree with the rest: is this issue dealing with the cause of intelligence or how best to exploit its consequences?
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:32 am

CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:Ok, I understand that the description is really different from the most of the other issues, but there are some (or at least I had 1 such issue so far) where the leader goes somewhere because of a good event and that then escalated into an issue. That's pretty much what I tried to go for as well.
Yeah, that's acceptable, but there still needs to be an explanation of why this good event needs direct government action to take ideal advantage of the opportunity, rather than just going "okay, that's good, seems like things are going fine".

CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:1: Seeing that the spiritual mother of a cup champion is bad at English, you think the kid's a cheater (thanks to god presumably);
I didn't actually interpret that as a sign of cheating. I saw it as evidence that the current generation is smarter than the previous generation, demonstrating the claimed improvement in education.

Options should say what they do. If an option's intent is to accuse the child of cheating, then someone should accuse the child of cheating.

CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:2: Considering child labour is legal, the kid was actually forced to become a new scientist; /
This is currently inconsistent. The option text makes it sound like the kid wants to work, but the option makes it sound like he's being forced.

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Postby CzechoSlovakishMoravia » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:16 pm

Welp, because of something that escalated into a big issue in my life (frick you god), I'm abandoning this issue.

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:25 pm

CzechoSlovakishMoravia wrote:Welp, because of something that escalated into a big issue in my life (frick you god), I'm abandoning this issue.

My condolences.

Abandoning indefinitely, or do you intend to return to it in the distant future? The latter possibility is always open, not just in the next few weeks :P

If you intend to resume work on this at any point in the future, Violet is the Issuesverse equivalent of God and you can't assume that @@LEADER@@ has kids.
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