[Withdrawn] Liberate Asia

[Kuriko]

I've written a proposal to liberate the region of Asia, which is still occupied by TBH, LKE, LWU, TEP, and others 5 days after the initial raid. Initial defender liberation attempts were unsuccessful due to the piling of the orgs, and now it is occupied by a force of over 90 raider nations. The fact that TNP and Europeia, two orgs that have an anti-griefing policy, were not involved in the raid is very concerning and speaks volumes about possible intent.

In keeping with my usual theme, I did not give advertising space in the proposal to the occupying forces. I also kept the proposal brief and to the point, unlike Tinhampton who tried to turn it into a joke with her proposal. This will be submitted by 12pm EST.

The Security Council,

Recognizing that the region of Asia, which was founded over ten years ago by Citizania, has been brutally attacked by raider forces who now occupy the region;

Alarmed by the ongoing increase in the number of occupying forces entering the region, which now total over 90 hostile nations;

Afraid that if left to their own devices, the raider forces will grief the region by ejecting all native nations and password it as a trophy;

Scared that the region's history of over 10 years will be lost and never recovered;

Believing that in this instance, the Security Council must act with decisive conviction to save the region from becoming one more trophy region to raider forces;

Hereby Liberates Asia.

[Honeydewistania]

Full support. This is better than my one anyway

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Simple, straightforward, does what it says on the label. Support.

[Mallorea and Riva]

How many natives have been ejected so far, and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

[Kuriko]

How many natives have been ejected so far, and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

None have, yet that doesn't mean that some won't be in the future. LWU has a history of wantonly destroying regions without fear, and who's to say that they won't once TBH relinquishes their leadership? Who's to say TBH themselves won't decide that a 10 year old region, which was subject to huge raids before, wouldn't finally make a nice trophy? The possibility of region destruction always exists with any raider organization, and should not be ignored.

[Mallorea and Riva]

How many natives have been ejected so far, and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

None have, yet that doesn't mean that some won't be in the future. LWU has a history of wantonly destroying regions without fear, and who's to say that they won't once TBH relinquishes their leadership? Who's to say TBH themselves won't decide that a 10 year old region, which was subject to huge raids before, wouldn't finally make a nice trophy? The possibility of region destruction always exists with any raider organization, and should not be ignored.

So no natives have been ejected, and no one can name a time when TBH tried to refound a non-nazi region.

Bonus points: When was the last time TBH turned over an occupation to LWU to allow them to refound a non-nazi region?

[Numero Capitan]

How many natives have been ejected so far, and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

Interesting approach, we have kept them busy with defender nations to eject for the time being but due to the increasing number of high influence border control officers this will become mathematically impossible to continue and natives will be next on the block.

If natives are ejected in this region I assume you're happy for me to refer back to this and dismiss any future comments you make as part of a proven agenda of deliberate deception so that we can safely ignore your views in the future?

[Kuriko]

None have, yet that doesn't mean that some won't be in the future. LWU has a history of wantonly destroying regions without fear, and who's to say that they won't once TBH relinquishes their leadership? Who's to say TBH themselves won't decide that a 10 year old region, which was subject to huge raids before, wouldn't finally make a nice trophy? The possibility of region destruction always exists with any raider organization, and should not be ignored.

So no natives have been ejected, and no one can name a time when TBH tried to refound a non-nazi region.

Bonus points: When was the last time TBH turned over an occupation to LWU to allow them to refound a non-nazi region?

Once TBH relinquishes control they have no say on who takes over and what that organization does. TBH itself also has a history of destroying regions, no matter how long ago it was.

[Mallorea and Riva]

How many natives have been ejected so far, and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

Interesting approach, we have kept them busy with defender nations to eject for the time being but due to the increasing number of high influence border control officers this will become mathematically impossible to continue and natives will be next on the block.

If natives are ejected in this region I assume you're happy for me to refer back to this and dismiss any future comments you make as part of a proven agenda of deliberate deception so that we can safely ignore your views in the future?

If the ejections are followed by a password with the intent to refound then yes, absolutely. I think you'd be partially incorrect in doing so, because this isn't a deception of any kind, but you have no way of knowing that so I can't expect you to believe it.

I'm sincerely hoping that the natives will get ejected, the region passworded, and ultimately refounded. I have, however, no hope that TBH intends to do so. So either the Liberation is utterly pointless, and my comments have merit, or I'm wrong and TBH will delight me with a wave of banjections and a password with the intent to refound.

So no natives have been ejected, and no one can name a time when TBH tried to refound a non-nazi region.

Bonus points: When was the last time TBH turned over an occupation to LWU to allow them to refound a non-nazi region?

Once TBH relinquishes control they have no say on who takes over and what that organization does. TBH itself also has a history of destroying regions, no matter how long ago it was.

Doesn't really answer the question, does it? If it's never happened then it's never happened, and you just have to own that and press forward.

[Numero Capitan]

So either the Liberation is utterly pointless, and my comments have merit, or I'm wrong and TBH will delight me with a wave of banjections and a password with the intent to refound.

So either the natives will be safe and the threat of a Liberation will have served its purpose, or natives will be ejected in the near future and the Liberation will be necessary to prevent further destruction.

Thank you for proving the necessity of this proposal.

[Mallorea and Riva]

So either the Liberation is utterly pointless, and my comments have merit, or I'm wrong and TBH will delight me with a wave of banjections and a password with the intent to refound.

So either the natives will be safe and the threat of a Liberation will have served its purpose, or natives will be ejected in the near future and the Liberation will be necessary to prevent further destruction.

Thank you for proving the necessity of this proposal.

That's the kind of sloppy thinking that justifies Liberating every founderless region that currently sits without a password. I don't disagree that the Liberation is completely pointless in light of the fact that TBH has shown no propensity in living memory to refound such regions.

You haven't even waved the "we have a native here who wants this" flag, which is standard (though admittedly dreadfully boring). Have you asked the natives? I'm genuinely curious.

[Morover]

Support.

Though I disagree with your assertion that it's inappropriate to turn libs into jokes (though that's coming from someone with perhaps too deep of an appreciation for jokes), I do appreciate the more historical approach to this (mentioning the founder and the long lifespan of the region).

[Lord Dominator]

We have no intention to refound the region

[Mallorea and Riva]

We have no intention to refound the region

Is it the of truth, or the of a maniacal madman hellbent on refounding the region? The World may never know.

[Lord Dominator]

and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

Full refound, there was Westphalia in February 2018 (which was saved by a founder return before Unknown could refound), Westphalia in 2019 (which was refounded), and Slatos a month ago (which didn't have a fascist founder, just a really asshole one, was also technically more a TEP/TNP op).

[Kuriko]

We have no intention to refound the region

A region can be passworded and turned into a trophy without being refounded, with all natives ejected or banned. The founder was last on NS 14 years ago, meaning a return is unlikely.

[Mallorea and Riva]

and when was the last time TBH attempted to refound a region that wasn't fascist?

Full refound, there was Westphalia in February 2018 (which was saved by a founder return before Unknown could refound), Westphalia in 2019 (which was refounded), and Slatos a month ago (which didn't have a fascist founder, just a really asshole one, was also technically more a TEP/TNP op).

Didn't Westphalia harbor fascists and have a forum destroyer as its og founder? Hence the Unknown invasion in 2018? As you said, Slatos was not a TBH op, but didn't TNP target it for its ties to fascist regions?

We have no intention to refound the region

A region can be passworded and turned into a trophy without being refounded, with all natives ejected or banned. The founder was last on NS 14 years ago, meaning a return is unlikely.

As a technical matter you're right, but as a practical matter I'm not sure why defenders wouldn't pass a Liberation at that point if that was attempted. It would force a refound attempt by the occupier.

[Lord Dominator]

Full refound, there was Westphalia in February 2018 (which was saved by a founder return before Unknown could refound), Westphalia in 2019 (which was refounded), and Slatos a month ago (which didn't have a fascist founder, just a really asshole one, was also technically more a TEP/TNP op).

Didn't Westphalia harbor fascists and have a forum destroyer as its og founder? Hence the Unknown invasion in 2018? As you said, Slatos was not a TBH op, but didn't TNP target it for its ties to fascist regions?

We didn't know about the founder issues at the time of invasion (which is why the Liberations ended up failing), and it was gifted to Unknown in recognition to personal beef they had with it. The second one was entirely pride, with a dash of knowing defenders wouldn't intervene. Slatos, no idea on that, I just remember the asshole founder part.

[Lord Dominator]

We have no intention to refound the region

A region can be passworded and turned into a trophy without being refounded, with all natives ejected or banned. The founder was last on NS 14 years ago, meaning a return is unlikely.

Fine, we have no intention to turn the region into a permanent trophy. Better?

[Kuriko]

Full refound, there was Westphalia in February 2018 (which was saved by a founder return before Unknown could refound), Westphalia in 2019 (which was refounded), and Slatos a month ago (which didn't have a fascist founder, just a really asshole one, was also technically more a TEP/TNP op).

Didn't Westphalia harbor fascists and have a forum destroyer as its og founder? Hence the Unknown invasion in 2018? As you said, Slatos was not a TBH op, but didn't TNP target it for its ties to fascist regions?

A region can be passworded and turned into a trophy without being refounded, with all natives ejected or banned. The founder was last on NS 14 years ago, meaning a return is unlikely.

As a technical matter you're right, but as a practical matter I'm not sure why defenders wouldn't pass a Liberation at that point if that was attempted. It would force a refound attempt by the occupier.

Forcing a refound by the raiders is exactly what we don't want to do. If the raiders won the refound, the RMB would be obliterated and the history tab empty and the natives without a home region. If the defenders won the refound, the regional history would still be obliterated and 10 years of that history will be gone. A refound should not happen without native approval.

[Kuriko]

A region can be passworded and turned into a trophy without being refounded, with all natives ejected or banned. The founder was last on NS 14 years ago, meaning a return is unlikely.

Fine, we have no intention to turn the region into a permanent trophy. Better?

I won't feel better until TBH swears not to eject a single native nation from the region.

[Lord Dominator]

Fine, we have no intention to turn the region into a permanent trophy. Better?

I won't feel better until TBH swears not to eject a single native nation from the region.

Ah, but removing natives without a password or attempt at a refound doesn't need a Liberation to fix

[Mallorea and Riva]

Fine, we have no intention to turn the region into a permanent trophy. Better?

I won't feel better until TBH swears not to eject a single native nation from the region.

Well that might make you feel better but at that point I'm not sure what it has to do with the liberation.

Didn't Westphalia harbor fascists and have a forum destroyer as its og founder? Hence the Unknown invasion in 2018? As you said, Slatos was not a TBH op, but didn't TNP target it for its ties to fascist regions?


As a technical matter you're right, but as a practical matter I'm not sure why defenders wouldn't pass a Liberation at that point if that was attempted. It would force a refound attempt by the occupier.

Forcing a refound by the raiders is exactly what we don't want to do. If the raiders won the refound, the RMB would be obliterated and the history tab empty and the natives without a home region. If the defenders won the refound, the regional history would still be obliterated and 10 years of that history will be gone. A refound should not happen without native approval.

Right, but at that point you'd run into Dom's comment that they aren't planning on refounding. So holding it as that type of trophy would be obviously doomed to fail.

I'm still curious as to if natives were consulted on this Liberation.

[Kuriko]

I'm just going to point out, again, that TBH isn't the only force in the region. After they leave they have no say if LWU or LKE take over and go to make it a trophy. A liberation is necessary to stop the anhilation of the region by any of the occupying forces, especially those like LWU and LKE who have histories of destroying innocent communities.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I'm just going to point out, again, that TBH isn't the only force in the region. After they leave they have no say if LWU or LKE take over and go to make it a trophy. A liberation is necessary to stop the anhilation of the region by any of the occupying forces, especially those like LWU and LKE who have histories of destroying innocent communities.

This is another one of those "You're right in theory, but what about in practice?" moments. Theory and practice are the same, in theory, but not in practice. Practically speaking, can you point to any examples of the above occurring?

I'm still curious as to if natives were consulted on this Liberation.