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Postby McMasterdonia » Tue May 26, 2020 6:01 pm

The North Pacific's Ministry of World Assembly Affairs has issued a recommendation of FOR on this proposal. In line with the vote on our regional forum, I have also cast my vote accordingly. Good luck with your proposal.
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Postby Stellonia » Tue May 26, 2020 6:17 pm

Heavens Reach wrote:
Stellonia wrote:OOC: I intend to draft a repeal and a replacement for this.

OOC: then you must be pretty confident in its success.

Of course I am. Look at the ratio between For and Against.

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Postby Heavens Reach » Tue May 26, 2020 6:52 pm

Stellonia wrote:
Heavens Reach wrote:OOC: then you must be pretty confident in its success.

Of course I am. Look at the ratio between For and Against.


OOC: it is certainly does seem a lot more decisive now

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Postby Vopren » Wed May 27, 2020 1:33 am

Greetings to the whole assembly, I am Florian Durand Minister of the Armed Forces of Vopren the government is in agreement with these texts for the moment but I am neutral because its labels can harm the lives of soldiers and operations let me explain imagine a soldier fallen at the front and the enemy recovering his body then he will know the identifier of the soldier and therefore if the enemy has a powerful hacking technology then they will be able to access all the personal information of the soldiers so the family would be in danger but still his brothers in arms because they will know all the positions and the plans of the operations that's why I remain neutral and that I will ask in some to my president to remain neutral as long as he has no answer to this problematic

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World Web
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Postby World Web » Wed May 27, 2020 1:57 am

The World Web Council has decided to vote AGAINST the Military Identification Tag Act although we do respect nations who voted FOR. We understand that soldiers may be at risk if this act passes and this information could and probably will be used against them. Although we could use the Military Identification Tag Act to identify captured enemy solders we don’t want to endanger the lives of our solders and undercover units.

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Postby LollerLand » Wed May 27, 2020 3:14 am

World Web wrote:undercover units.

They won't really be adversely affected though as the Act only makes the tag necessary for field combatants.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed May 27, 2020 3:30 am

LollerLand wrote:
World Web wrote:undercover units.

They won't really be adversely affected though as the Act only makes the tag necessary for field combatants.

(OOC: The resolution applies to all ‘military combatants and field units’, which is rather broad in scope. Is an undercover unit a military combatant? If they are employed in the armed forces and have the intention of ultimately engaging in subterfuge, then the answer is ostensibly yes.)
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Postby World Web » Wed May 27, 2020 4:05 am

Thank you for telling us that but the act will pass regardless whether we vote For or Against.

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Postby Alba and Cymru » Wed May 27, 2020 10:38 am

Kenmoria wrote:
LollerLand wrote:They won't really be adversely affected though as the Act only makes the tag necessary for field combatants.

(OOC: The resolution applies to all ‘military combatants and field units’, which is rather broad in scope. Is an undercover unit a military combatant? If they are employed in the armed forces and have the intention of ultimately engaging in subterfuge, then the answer is ostensibly yes.)


OOC: Spies are not military combatants nor field personnel.
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Postby Mornicoder » Wed May 27, 2020 8:49 pm

Can anyone please tell me why we should forsake the privacy and safety of our own soldiers just for a proper burial?

I know it sounds insensitive at first, but would you rather have soldiers being slain due to this act (correct me if I'm wrong), or have less fallen soldiers, but with the unfortunate cost of not having a proper burial. There should be a Repeal of this act so that a "better" version can be created that takes into consideration all factors surrounding this issue.

I may be wrong though.
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Postby Kandorith » Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 am

The Empire supports this motion and is rather baffled by the fact this was not standard procedure yet. The identification of military combatants is crucial in many ways, but mostly to give families of military personnel certainty.

In all fairness the nation's raising concerns about personal information or even identity concerning nationality is raising some eyebrows here. It sounds a lot like these nations have something to hide when it comes to their military actions.
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Postby Agualia » Thu May 28, 2020 5:05 am

Agualia believes this is a well written resolution with an important issue it is trying to tackle. However, there has been no adequate answer to the issue of if the soldier gets caught and the enemy gets the information. Not enough has been done in Agualia's opinion to protect our soldiers from this danger; therefore we are voting against this resolution and would urge any other nations to do so as well.

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Postby Picairn » Thu May 28, 2020 8:28 am

While Picairn agrees with the general ideas of this resolution, Clause 7 is particularly damaging to soldiers captured in hostile areas. Based on the information from military identification tags, our enemies are likely to be able to identify the demographics, culture, social norms, etc. of the captured soldiers. They, then, can apply some of very creative methods of torture and humiliation. Picairn can not let its soldiers be publicly tortured and humiliated on live TV.
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Postby Mornicoder » Fri May 29, 2020 3:07 am

Picairn wrote:While Picairn agrees with the general ideas of this resolution, Clause 7 is particularly damaging to soldiers captured in hostile areas. Based on the information from military identification tags, our enemies are likely to be able to identify the demographics, culture, social norms, etc. of the captured soldiers. They, then, can apply some of very creative methods of torture and humiliation. Picairn can not let its soldiers be publicly tortured and humiliated on live TV.


Agreed. Along with my post above earlier, this is why it should be repealed, and a better version of the MITA (Military Identification Tag Act) should be drafted.
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Postby Picairn » Fri May 29, 2020 3:49 am

Mornicoder wrote:
Picairn wrote:While Picairn agrees with the general ideas of this resolution, Clause 7 is particularly damaging to soldiers captured in hostile areas. Based on the information from military identification tags, our enemies are likely to be able to identify the demographics, culture, social norms, etc. of the captured soldiers. They, then, can apply some of very creative methods of torture and humiliation. Picairn can not let its soldiers be publicly tortured and humiliated on live TV.


Agreed. Along with my post above earlier, this is why it should be repealed, and a better version of the MITA (Military Identification Tag Act) should be drafted.

I concur. We should get to work immediately and prepare to repeal this resolution once it passes.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri May 29, 2020 9:11 pm

Alba and Cymru wrote:OOC: Spies are not military combatants nor field personnel.

OOC: And recon missions never go awry, right?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 30, 2020 9:09 am

Military Identification Tag Act was passed 18,296 votes to 3,235.

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Postby Sebero Sree » Sat May 30, 2020 9:49 am

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