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{DRAFT} Are Contests Best?

Postby New Seven States » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:45 am

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Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether contests are good for children or not.

OPTION 1

"What's wrong with math contests?" says math teacher @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Contests engage our children minds, to uh... think better. Competitions also give, maybe a chance for their parents, to cheer for them. Also think the prizes children love. Hey @@LEADER@@, let us have a Math contest. winner takes this vodka."

Competitions make children think phones can be won if you have plenty of knowledge.

OPTION 2
"Competitions, NO! BAN THIS!" shouts director @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@. "They make kids fight and hate each other, just because this kid won against the other. Now, that teaches kids to gamble too. And, plus, competition is not education."

Kids that love competitions have competitions with teachers.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:58 pm

Could we have a little more of a story about what brought this question to @@LEADER@@'s attention? Like what kind of contests are people debating and why did the debate start?

We have a couple of existing issues about testing and sports, but if you develop your idea more, you might be able to come up with something that is distinctive enough to use.
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Postby New Seven States » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:07 am

USS Monitor wrote:Could we have a little more of a story about what brought this question to @@LEADER@@'s attention? Like what kind of contests are people debating and why did the debate start?

We have a couple of existing issues about testing and sports, but if you develop your idea more, you might be able to come up with something that is distinctive enough to use.


So, I will change the "Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether contests are good or not." If yes, here it is.

Contests among children are being debated in national news whether it is good or not, after a large fight occured between 2 geniouses.

Is that good?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:40 am

I'm guessing English is not your first language?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:43 am

If this issue is about exams, which I think it may be, then the main overlap here would be with Issue 668 - How To Examine Your Testees.
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Postby New Seven States » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:07 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:I'm guessing English is not your first language?

You are correct, although I use English as my main language.
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Postby New Seven States » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:09 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:If this issue is about exams, which I think it may be, then the main overlap here would be with Issue 668 - How To Examine Your Testees.

This is not about exams, but this is about contests.

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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:45 am

New Seven States wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:If this issue is about exams, which I think it may be, then the main overlap here would be with Issue 668 - How To Examine Your Testees.

This is not about exams, but this is about contests.

As in mathematical olympiads? Why do you feel that this is best set out as a two-option issue?
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:18 am

We need a lot more specificity.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:43 am

Since English is not your first language, I'll try to talk to you in a way that is easy for you to understand. Sorry if it seems rude using baby words.

Why have math contest? Sometimes, when kids play sport, there's no score, both teams win. Maybe your issue can be about that...

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Postby New Seven States » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:45 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Since English is not your first language, I'll try to talk to you in a way that is easy for you to understand. Sorry if it seems rude using baby words.

Why have math contest? Sometimes, when kids play sport, there's no score, both teams win. Maybe your issue can be about that...

If what I'm sayinh is too hard to understand, tell me so I can dumb it down more

I definitely understand what you mean.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:11 am

New Seven States wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Since English is not your first language, I'll try to talk to you in a way that is easy for you to understand. Sorry if it seems rude using baby words.

Why have math contest? Sometimes, when kids play sport, there's no score, both teams win. Maybe your issue can be about that...

If what I'm sayinh is too hard to understand, tell me so I can dumb it down more

I definitely understand what you mean.

Okay. Is that too dumbed down?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:52 am

So you're talking about mathematical olympiads and similar?

Well, the thing about such contests is that they tend to be entered only by children (or the parents of said children) who are talented at maths. There's not really any difference between such a contest and a contest that tests any other skill, be it a baking contest, a running contest, a painting contest or a cheese-rolling contest.

You've not provided any context for why maths olympiads might be considered problematic, so there's no dilemma here, and hence no issue.

For example, if you were to have a premise that said any of the following...

[*]Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether cookery contests are good for children or not.
[*]Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether blue clothes are good for children or not.
[*]Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether laminated handoutsare good for children or not.
[*]Recent debate in @@NAME@@ include whether double-handled mugs are good for children or not.

...you still wouldn't have an issue.

Find the question that your issue is asking, and reframe the narrative. Right now, you have nothing.
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