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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:05 am

Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources

Category: Regulation?

Area of Affect: Transportation?


The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) for creating an organization to oversee coordination between member states space programs,

Further recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for creating the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) to store valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches,

Believing the necessary infrastructure has been achieved through this Assembly to provide effective oversight of these ventures,

Concerned however that no international standards regarding the mining and transportation of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

  1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

    1. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    2. "Celestial Formation" as any cluster of extraterrestrial bodies held together by gravitational forces that form a structure or system,

    3. "Contaminant" as any alien biological organism originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    4. "Artificial Debris" as any alien non-biological material or machinery originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,
  2. Tasks member states who maintain established space programs with the following mandates:

    1. Researching methods to improve mining techniques, minimize disruption to celestial formations, and limit the spread of contaminants or loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,

    2. Providing safety guidelines and information such as mitigation of exposure to space radiation, identification of reactive elements and compounds, and implementation of quarantine procedures,

    3. Seeking data, with assistance from ASTRO when useful, regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assessing economic viability and technological capability before commencing mining operations,

    4. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,
  3. Requires that member states store and transport naturally radioactive resources and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, any resources ionized by space radiation in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,

  4. Prohibits members states from forcibly mining and transporting, bar operations performed during war or the enforcement of disputed claims, the resources of an extraterrestrial body inhabited by sapient species as defined in GAR#355 Rights of Sapient Species and any subsequent resolutions to the same effect,

  5. Strongly encourages private entities and governmental agencies to reject undertaking mining operations that irreplaceably deplete the entirety of an extraterrestrial body's resources, and when beneficial to coordinate on preservation efforts thereof,

  6. Clarifies that the World Assembly has no authority to settle claims between member states over disputed extraterrestrial bodies,

  7. Further clarifies that the World Assembly has no authority to prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages benevolent utilization of resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.

The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration for creating an organization that oversees coordination between member state space agencies,

Further Recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for storing valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by emerging technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches beyond,

Believing the necessary infrastructure and administration has been achieved to provide effective oversight of these ventures,

Concerned However that no international set of standards regarding the mining and transport of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

    1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

      a. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of a member state's terrestrial atmosphere,
      b. "Contaminant" as any biological organism originating from within a member state's terrestrial atmosphere,
      c. "Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery of man-made origin,

    2. Establishes a division within the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) named the Department for Resourceful Interstellar Lugging (DRIL) and tasks this division with the following mandates:

      a. Researching methods to improve minimal impact mining techniques so as to limit the spread of contaminants and loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,
      b. Providing basic safety guidelines such as information on space radiation, reactive elements and compounds, and quarantine procedures in the event of illness,
      c. Seeking data from the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the viability of mining operations,
      d. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,

    3. Requires member states to transport and store resources extracted from extraterrestrial bodies in a noncombustible, radiation-resistant container,

    4. Strongly Encourages all private entities and governmental agencies to coordinate with DRIL, IASA, and ASTRO before embarking on any mission to mine an extraterrestrial body's resources, especially in cases where Return on Investment is difficult or impossible to determine,

    5. Clarifies that DRIL has no authority over disputes between member states over an extraterrestrial body, and no means to enforce a member state recognize the claims made by another member state,

    6. Further Clarifies the World Assembly can not prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages the shared utilization of all resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.


The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration for creating an organization that oversees coordination between member state space agencies,

Further Recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for storing valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by emerging technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the vast outer reaches beyond,

Believing the necessary infrastructure and administration has been achieved to provide effective oversight of these ventures,

Concerned However that no international set of standards regarding the mining and transport of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

  1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

    1. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of a member state's terrestrial atmosphere,
    2. "Contaminant" as any biological organism originating from within a member state's terrestrial atmosphere,
    3. "Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery of man-made origin,

  2. Establishes a division within the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) named the Department for Resourceful Interstellar Lugging (DRIL) and tasks this division with the following mandates:

    1. Researching methods to improve minimal impact mining techniques so as to limit the spread of contaminants and loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,
    2. Providing basic safety guidelines such as information on space radiation, reactive elements and compounds, and quarantine procedures in the event of crew illness,
    3. Seeking data from the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the economic viability and technological capability of mining operations,
    4. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,

  3. Requires member states test the radiation level of resource samples upon extraction and, if exposure is classified as hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in a noncombustible, radiation-resistant container,

  4. Strongly Encourages all private entities and governmental agencies to coordinate with DRIL, IASA, and ASTRO before embarking on any mission to mine an extraterrestrial body's resources, especially in cases where Return on Investment is difficult or impossible to determine,

  5. Clarifies that DRIL has no authority over disputes between member states over an extraterrestrial body, and no means to enforce a member state recognize the claims made by another member state,

  6. Further Clarifies the World Assembly can not prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages the shared utilization of all resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.


The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration for creating an organization that oversees coordination between member state space agencies,

Further Recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for storing valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches beyond,

Believing the necessary infrastructure has been achieved through this Assembly to provide effective oversight and further development of these ventures,

Concerned However that no international set of standards regarding the mining and transportation of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

  1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

    1. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of member states terrestrial atmospheres,
    2. "Contaminant" as any biological organism originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,
    3. "Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery,

  2. Establishes a division within the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) named the Department of Resources and Interstellar Logistics (DRIL) and tasks this division with the following mandates:

    1. Researching methods to improve minimal impact mining techniques so as to limit the spread of contaminants and loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,
    2. Providing basic safety guidelines such as information on space radiation, reactive elements and compounds, and quarantine procedures ,
    3. Seeking data from the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the economic viability and technological capability of mining operations,
    4. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,

  3. Requires member states test the radiation level of resource samples upon extraction and, if exposure is classified as hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in a noncombustible, radiation-resistant container,

  4. Strongly Encourages all private entities and governmental agencies to coordinate with DRIL, IASA, and ASTRO before embarking on any mission to mine an extraterrestrial body's resources, especially in cases where Return on Investment is difficult or impossible to determine,

  5. Clarifies that DRIL has no authority over disputes between member states over an extraterrestrial body, and no means to enforce a member state recognize the claims made by another member state,

  6. Further Clarifies the World Assembly can not prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages the shared utilization of all resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.


The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration for creating an organization to oversee coordination between member state space agencies,

Further Recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for storing valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches beyond,

Believing the necessary infrastructure has been achieved through this Assembly to provide effective oversight and further development of these ventures,

Concerned However that no international standards regarding the mining and transportation of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

  1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

    1. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    2. "Celestial Formation" as any cluster of extraterrestrial bodies held together by gravitational forces that form a structure or system,

    3. "Contaminant" as any biological organism originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    4. "Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery introduced by biological organisms,

  2. The World Assembly establishes a division within the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) named the Department of Resources and Interstellar Logistics (DRIL) and tasks this division with fulfilling the following mandates:

    1. Researching methods to improve mining techniques, minimize disruption to celestial formations, and limit the spread of contaminants or loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,

    2. Providing basic safety guidelines such as information on space radiation, reactive elements and compounds, and quarantine procedures,

    3. Seeking data from the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the economic viability and technological capability of mining operations,

    4. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,

  3. Requires member states to test resource samples for ionizing and non-ionizing radiation levels upon extraction and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,

  4. Strongly Encourages private entities and governmental agencies to reject undertaking mining operations that irreplaceably deplete the entirety of an extraterrestrial body's resources, and when beneficial to coordinate with DRIL, IASA, and ASTRO on all preservation efforts thereof,

  5. Clarifies that DRIL has no authority to settle claims between member states over disputed extraterrestrial bodies,

  6. Further Clarifies the World Assembly can not prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages the utilization of resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.


The World Assembly,

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) for creating an organization to oversee coordination between member states space agencies,

Further recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for creating the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) to store valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Intrigued by technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches beyond,

Believing the necessary infrastructure has been achieved through this Assembly to provide effective oversight and further development of these ventures,

Concerned however that no international standards regarding the mining and transportation of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Hereby,

  1. Defines for the purpose of this resolution:

    1. "Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    2. "Celestial Formation" as any cluster of extraterrestrial bodies held together by gravitational forces that form a structure or system,

    3. "Contaminant" as any biological organism originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,

    4. "Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery introduced by biological organisms,
  2. The World Assembly establishes a division within the IASA named the Department of Resources and Interstellar Logistics (DRIL) and tasks this division with fulfilling the following mandates:

    1. Researching methods to improve mining techniques, minimize disruption to celestial formations, and limit the spread of contaminants or loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,

    2. Providing safety guidelines and information such as mitigation of exposure to space radiation, identification of reactive elements and compounds, and implementation of quarantine procedures,

    3. Seeking data from ASTRO regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the economic viability and technological capability of mining operations,

    4. Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,
  3. Requires member states to store and transport naturally radioactive resources and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, any resources ionized by space radiation in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,

  4. Strongly encourages private entities and governmental agencies to reject undertaking mining operations that irreplaceably deplete the entirety of an extraterrestrial body's resources, and when beneficial to coordinate with DRIL and ASTRO on preservation efforts thereof,

  5. Clarifies that DRIL has no authority to settle claims between member states over disputed extraterrestrial bodies,

  6. Further clarifies the World Assembly has no authority to prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages benevolent utilization of resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:32 am

Alright, here is the first draft. I'm unreasonably nitpicky about word placement, so some last minute editing took a few minutes. I am currently in the process of reaching out to Separatist Peoples and Kranostav for their blessings, but all feedback is much appreciated. Thank you, Io Saturna1ia!
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:45 am

Saturna1ia wrote:
Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources

Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Why does a proposal about mining in outer space belong in E&C/Educational?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:03 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Saturna1ia wrote:
Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources

Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Why does a proposal about mining in outer space belong in E&C/Educational?

It doesn’t. That needs changing. Before submission. Before moving on to anything else. Saturna1ia, I too am curious how you determined E&C to be the optimal choice for a mining resolution.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:24 pm

Environmental category with Mining area of effect appears the way to go for me.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:59 pm

“Clause 3 seems excessive if the resources being acquired have been proven to be non-radioactive and non-combustible. I think it would be more prudent to have this only be a requirement until proven unnecessary.”
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:12 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Why does a proposal about mining in outer space belong in E&C/Educational?

It doesn’t. That needs changing. Before submission. Before moving on to anything else. Saturna1ia, I too am curious how you determined E&C to be the optimal choice for a mining resolution.

I was not sure what category and affect to put, and most space related resolutions in the past seem to fall into those areas. That's why I set up a draft. This is my first resolution attempt.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:15 pm

Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:Environmental category with Mining area of effect appears the way to go for me.

Yes, that sounds more appropriate. Thank you.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:46 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“Clause 3 seems excessive if the resources being acquired have been proven to be non-radioactive and non-combustible. I think it would be more prudent to have this only be a requirement until proven unnecessary.”

I have revised the Clause. How does this sound?
3. Requires member states test the radiation level of resource samples upon extraction and, if exposure is classified as hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in a noncombustible, radiation-resistant container,
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Postby Tinfect » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:17 pm

Saturna1ia wrote:Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration for creating an organization that oversees coordination between member state space agencies,


"Interesting that you acknowledge Resolution four-fifty-one," said Feren, as he brushed a measure of mysterious dust off his hat, "while drafting in total violation of its final provision."

Saturna1ia wrote:Intrigued by emerging technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the vast outer reaches beyond,


"Yes, 'emerging' is certainly one way to describe technologies utilized by the Imperium for hundreds of years. Perhaps not the most advisable of terms, however."

Saturna1ia wrote:Believing the necessary infrastructure and administration has been achieved to provide effective oversight of these ventures,


"Yes, on a national level. There's little reason for international interference on wholly mundane matters solely involving the jurisdiction of Member-States."

Saturna1ia wrote:Concerned However that no international set of standards regarding the mining and transport of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,


"Your concern is misplaced."

Saturna1ia wrote:Defines for the purpose of this resolution:
"Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of a member state's terrestrial atmosphere,


"Which atmosphere? The Imperium has many worlds within our borders, surely they are not all 'extraterrestrial' for the simple fact of being beyond the reach of New Harron's atmosphere?"

Saturna1ia wrote:"Artificial Debris" as any non-biological material or machinery of man-made origin,


"Do be aware that not all inhabitants of Member-States are necessarily human."

Saturna1ia wrote:Establishes a division within the International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) named the Department for Resourceful Interstellar Lugging (DRIL) and tasks this division with the following mandates:


"The Imperium objects to the name of the division."

Saturna1ia wrote:Researching methods to improve minimal impact mining techniques so as to limit the spread of contaminants and loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,
Providing basic safety guidelines such as information on space radiation, reactive elements and compounds, and quarantine procedures in the event of crew illness,
Seeking data from the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assisting member states with the economic viability and technological capability of mining operations,
Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,


"We must ask; why is any of this to be delegated to an international organization? Any Member-State capable of such extraction would already have such policies and research in place, else they would likely not be capable of the act in the first place. There's simply little need for international interference on this matter."

Saturna1ia wrote:3. Requires member states test the radiation level of resource samples upon extraction and, if exposure is classified as hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in a noncombustible, radiation-resistant container,


"Again, a matter of basic sense; this clause appears to exist solely to avoid a basic illegality in the draft."

Saturna1ia wrote:4. Strongly Encourages all private entities and governmental agencies to coordinate with DRIL, IASA, and ASTRO before embarking on any mission to mine an extraterrestrial body's resources, especially in cases where Return on Investment is difficult or impossible to determine,


"The Imperium has no desire to enable or support unwanted interference in resource acquisition."

Saturna1ia wrote:Further Clarifies the World Assembly can not prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages the shared utilization of all resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.


"Imperial Territories and Resources are the sole jurisdiction and right of the Imperium. Foreign governments will, under no circumstances, be allowed access to them.

In short, Ambassador, the Imperium sees little justification for this legislation's existence, and thus, little reason to support it. For the time being, we are opposed."

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:56 pm

"Ambassador, Clause 4 is supremely vague. What sort of coordination is being encouraged? And why emphasize coordination based on a foggy return-on-investment forecast? Surely any potential investors are competent to either set up a more thorough survey effort, or else simply walk away? What potential problem does this clause address?"


OOC: This is classified as Environmental/Mining, but I don't actually see any requirement for member nations to regulate extraterrestrial mining in a way that improves environmental outcomes. The closest would be Clauses 2(a) and 2(d) - both of which are weak (research and "promotion") committee functions, not mandates on member states. You should strongly consider beefing up the environmental aspects.

If it helps you focus, I would say that Clause 5 and the first half of Clause 6 (everything before the word "highly") is extraneous to this proposal. Clause 4 may or may not be - see my In Character question above. With very few exceptions, it tends to be the case that the best resolutions do one specific thing in detail, rather than trying to cover an entire topic in every aspect. Good luck!
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:39 am

Thank you Tinfect and Sierra Lyricalia for the constructive criticism. I have taken various points of inquiry both of you made into account, and used them to come up with the current revision (Draft 4). I do not imagine all of your concerns have been alleviated, but there is still room for further revision.
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Postby Kranostav » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Hello! Thank you for reaching out via telegram!

Overall I generally like the aim of the proposal and believe it has a good amount of potential. The way you have the committees working to provide you information and create a flow back and forth is intriguing.

As for clause 3, it seems oddly specific and I was wondering if you could provide a more in-depth explanation to what you mean there.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:47 pm

Kranostav wrote:Hello! Thank you for reaching out via telegram!

Overall I generally like the aim of the proposal and believe it has a good amount of potential. The way you have the committees working to provide you information and create a flow back and forth is intriguing.

As for clause 3, it seems oddly specific and I was wondering if you could provide a more in-depth explanation to what you mean there.

That's good to hear. And yes, it seems that Clause 3 is raising the most eyebrows thus far. I have slightly edited it for clarity's sake since you last saw it,
Requires member states to test resource samples for ionizing and non-ionizing radiation levels upon extraction and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,
The reasoning for this clause is relatively simple. The way I see it, the greatest threat posed by extraterrestrial mining from both an operational and environmental perspective is space radiation. Particularly ionizing radiation (alpha/beta particles, gamma rays, and x-rays) which can not only disrupt the atomic structures of resources it passes through, but cause harm to member states atmospheres and biological inhabitants if extracted and returned without sufficient precautions.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:22 am

Saturna1ia wrote:That's good to hear. And yes, it seems that Clause 3 is raising the most eyebrows thus far. I have slightly edited it for clarity's sake since you last saw it,
Requires member states to test resource samples for ionizing and non-ionizing radiation levels upon extraction and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, to transport and store these resources in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,
The reasoning for this clause is relatively simple. The way I see it, the greatest threat posed by extraterrestrial mining from both an operational and environmental perspective is space radiation. Particularly ionizing radiation (alpha/beta particles, gamma rays, and x-rays) which can not only disrupt the atomic structures of resources it passes through, but cause harm to member states atmospheres and biological inhabitants if extracted and returned without sufficient precautions.

OOC: You do know that "space radiation" in RL setting at least largely comes from 2 sources: the Sun (in NS, any star whose solar system is being discussed) and outside the solar system (especially high-energy gammaray photons). The radiation is NOT (except some very far future technology things that I can tell from your writing you haven't even considered so ignoring those) what you "mine", however, and generally speaking atmospheres are THE best way to shield a planet from radiation. Especially ones with water vapour.

A general guidance on stopping radiation:
  1. alpha: a sheet of paper, normal clothes, taking a shower
  2. beta: protective clothing, staying a few steps away from radiation source
  3. X-rays: lead-lined clothing
  4. gamma: prayer to a higher deity, you can't stop them yourself
So given that the most problematic you either can't really do much about or aren't going to encounter anyway - highenergy gamma rays are extrasolar, so nothing you'll be able to mine in any kind of normal solar system, is going to be radiating those, and same goes for X-rays, unless you're mining actually fusing matter from the star's core, but if you can do that, you probably have already figured out how to deal with the radiation, given you're stealing with an actual star to begin with.

By the way, are you intentionally including comets and micrometeors and such in your "artificial debris" definition? Most of them are not artificially produced.

Oh and the possessives in the definitions at least are missing the proper punctuation.

Is the "ASTRO" created in this proposal or is it an existing committee? Because using THREE committees in a single proposal is just stupid, if you can do without any. And to be fair I don't really see any reason why any of the committees were actually necessary.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:17 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: You do know that "space radiation" in RL setting at least largely comes from 2 sources: the Sun (in NS, any star whose solar system is being discussed) and outside the solar system (especially high-energy gammaray photons). The radiation is NOT (except some very far future technology things that I can tell from your writing you haven't even considered so ignoring those) what you "mine", however, and generally speaking atmospheres are THE best way to shield a planet from radiation. Especially ones with water vapour.

I will look further into the matter. I could be more specific and revise the clause to deal with naturally radioactive resources or resources ionized by space radiation.

Araraukar wrote:By the way, are you intentionally including comets and micrometeors and such in your "artificial debris" definition? Most of them are not artificially produced.

I have added "introduced by biological organisms" to hopefully satiate your concerns.

Araraukar wrote:Oh and the possessives in the definitions at least are missing the proper punctuation.

I disagree, but will continue to revise grammar and punctuation where necessary.

Araraukar wrote:Is the "ASTRO" created in this proposal or is it an existing committee? Because using THREE committees in a single proposal is just stupid, if you can do without any. And to be fair I don't really see any reason why any of the committees were actually necessary.

The IASA is created by GAR#451 and ASTRO is created by GAR#460. I have only created DRIL. You should review those other resolutions and express your opinions on the lack of necessity for that which they have created with their authors.
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Draft 5 is up. Revisions have been made using the feedback gained from Kranostav and Araraukar. Thank you for your inputs.
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Postby God-King Rorschach » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:21 am

Okay in my personal view, I see that the wording is appropriate, but nevertheless assembling this would be simply impossible.
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I feel the current draft is sufficient, so I have submitted Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources to the World Assembly. Of course, I could be wrong. If the proposal is deemed insufficient or illegal, I will do my best to properly revise it. If it cannot be saved through revision, I will be saddened but understand and move on. I want to thank everyone for their inputs that made the current draft so much better than the original draft!

Also, I will NOT send out any Telegrams. I humbly ask anyone who supports Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources to spread the proposal by word-of-mouth. Every little bit helps. Thank you, Io Saturna1ia!
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:24 am

Saturna1ia wrote:I will look further into the matter. I could be more specific and revise the clause to deal with naturally radioactive resources or resources ionized by space radiation.

OOC: You're missing the point slightly. Why are radioactive materials a problem if they're handled appropriately?

I have added "introduced by biological organisms" to hopefully satiate your concerns.

Still not artificially produced, if they're produced by non-sapient things (animals, fungi, plants, microbes, etc.). What you want to say is "introduced by sapient activities" or something similar. Also, are you aware of the debris prevention resolution?

The IASA is created by GAR#451 and ASTRO is created by GAR#460. I have only created DRIL. You should review those other resolutions and express your opinions on the lack of necessity for that which they have created with their authors.

Don't be a smartypants newbie, nobody likes those. You're still using THREE committees, when you could do without any. Proposals should aim to give everything possible to the member nations to do (especially environmental ones, which are AoEs and, aside from the All Businesses - Mild one, are supposed to equal Strong effect requirements), only using a committee if it's absolutely necessary.

Also, I can't help but feel that you should probably specify somewhere that you're only targeting uninhabited planets, because imagine if some interspecies space agency passed this and then aliens came to Earth demanding that we stop all our mining activities, because to them we're aliens on an alien celestial body, and we're not complying with their resolution's requirements. Substitute Earth with Mars once we get a colony going there, if necessary. And if you're going to go "but Earth and Mars both have atmospheres", I'd like to point out that the RL Moon has an atmosphere, and we still generally consider it as lacking one, because it's nearly non-existent compared to our homeplanet. Not to mention that depending how you count it, all our RL solar system's planets could be counted to exist within the Sun's atmosphere (solar wind bubble) to begin with.

OOC still: Submitting after only a couple of days of drafting, and not really reacting to criticism with other than snark is not a good good sign for your proposal.

Current definitions would make astronauts "contaminants" and the oxygen in Earth's atmosphere (which reaches into what is considered "outer space" in RL) "artificial debris". Kinda suggests that the definitions are not good ones.

I'd say this is currently illegal for Category rule: specifically with the active clauses failing to justify the AoE - the only binding mandate is about transporting stuff, not mining, and the encouragement clause that is kind of about mining, is not strong enough to justify the Aoe. There is a category-AoE combo for transporting regulations, but Environmental-Mining is not it.

EDIT: I suggest you withdraw the submission, have a re-think about the category, and ditch all committees to write this into a proposal that is not all about committees. Looking at the proposal, it seems to be literally as easy as re-delegating the committee activities to the member nations.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:23 pm

Araraukar wrote:I'd say this is currently illegal for Category rule: specifically with the active clauses failing to justify the AoE - the only binding mandate is about transporting stuff, not mining, and the encouragement clause that is kind of about mining, is not strong enough to justify the Aoe. There is a category-AoE combo for transporting regulations, but Environmental-Mining is not it.

OOC: Well, that one is on me, as I (wrongly) suggested this category and AoE, I admittedly looked at the title more than the content thus violating GAR#122:"Read the Resolution Act".
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Araraukar wrote:OOC still: Submitting after only a couple of days of drafting, and not really reacting to criticism with other than snark is not a good good sign for your proposal.

Excuse you? I have been very thankful to everyone who has provided criticism and feedback, including you. You have been very helpful. As I've said, I will continue to revise. Do you actually want people to enjoy and get involved in this game? It sure as heck doesn't seem that way when you act so insufferable toward people acting in good faith.

Sancta Romana Ecclesia wrote:OOC: Well, that one is on me, as I (wrongly) suggested this category and AoE, I admittedly looked at the title more than the content thus violating GAR#122:"Read the Resolution Act".

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Postby Araraukar » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:43 am

Saturna1ia wrote:Do you actually want people to enjoy and get involved in this game? It sure as heck doesn't seem that way when you act so insufferable toward people acting in good faith.

OOC: I may have misunderstood what you said in the post I replied to, my apologies for hurting your feelings.

You have withdrawn the submission to fix things, which means you're a more sensible person than I had first thought. Again, my apologies for underestimating you. With the social distancing, I've seen a spike of people new to NS coming in and posting (and quickly submitting, or even submitting before posting) drafts here that are either blatantly illegal or just, well, kind of stupid ideas for international legislation. Yours instead has potential, but it still needs work.

I'm heading out to do some grocery shopping now, but I haven't got anything but early bedtime planned for this evening, so I should be able to write you a proper detailed feedback response to your new draft.

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OOC still. The promised feedback. Posting twice in a row to make author aware that I did the promised deep probing. No alien abduction probing jokes please.

Saturna1ia wrote:Mining of Extraterrestrial Resources

Given your corrected category/AoE (which depends on the active clauses - more of that when I get that far), the title might need changing. But that's something that can be dealt with once the active clauses have been locked down.

Category: Regulation?
Area of Affect: Transportation?

And like with the title, the proper category/AoE depends really on the effect the active clauses have, so I'll get back to this later.

Recognizing the past accomplishment made by GAR#451 International Aero-Space Administration (IASA) for creating an organization to oversee coordination between member states space programs,

Further recognizing the foresight of GAR#460 Astronomical Data Repository for creating the Astronomic Science and Technical Research Organization (ASTRO) to store valuable knowledge gained from space exploration,

Problems right from the start. Don't start the proposal by referring to committees. Especially as you've pared down committee participation. The preamble should tackle the 3W's: WHAT is the problem you're trying to fix? WHY does it need international legislation to deal with? WHY is it not already dealt with, by existing resolutions?

Starting from mentioning previous resolutions and their committees might not be an illegality, but it does kind of give the feeling that this has already been dealt with, and you're just trying to sneak in a little addition to get the author badge. Now that may or may not be true, but it's always best to try and make your resolution as self-standing as possible, so nix those two clauses.

Intrigued by technologies that not only raise the possibility, but economic viability to extract resources limited by terrestrial scarcity, but abundant in the outer reaches,

Given that there are nations in the WA that are space-based or at least routinely mine resources from asteroids and such - and, arguably, the tech and economic viability are totally doable in RL too, but the required original investment is so huge that private industry simply can't do it and nations aren't interested in trying while terrestrial resources are abundant enough - talking about "raising possibilities" sounds a bit off. And this doesn't really address any of the 3W's either, so why is it here?

Believing the necessary infrastructure has been achieved through this Assembly to provide effective oversight of these ventures,

"Infrastructure" usually refers to physical facilities (hence "structure" in the word), but even if you were using it metaphorically, it still sounds weird, because the WA doesn't do space. It helps you get the info you need to start your space exploration and (depending how you read IASA's mandate) may help you get started (though even then it can't break the patent resolution's clauses, so I'm not entirely certain what use it is) and it mandates you to avoid littering your orbit (the debris prevention resolution), but that's about it.

If you intended to say the WA has already started space programs in member nations and built stuff for them, then no, it hasn't. Everything is voluntary on the member nation's side - the WA does not mandate that all member nations must have space programs. (Given PT/MT/FT, any such requirement would be silly anyway. And even in RL the vast majority of nations do not have a space program of their own, or they are only partaking shared projects (see ESA) by producing certain parts, for example, and funding.) WA does not mandate that all nations must have spaceship launch capabilities (for same reasons as above), so it really depends on the nation if there is any infrastructure in place or not, and assuming unilateral approach across 20k+ nations is just silly.

So, as this clause is patently not true (especially the oversight bit of it - see clause 4 of the IASA resolution), and doesn't really do anything about the 3W's, I'm not entirely certain it should be included at all.

Concerned however that no international standards regarding the mining and transportation of extraterrestrial resources has yet been established,

Drop the "however" and move this to the start of the preamble. This is, from what I can see, your WHAT of this entire proposal. You still need to address the two WHYs. Why is international legislation necessary and why hasn't it been dealt with by existing resolutions. You can answer these first in thread as a reply, rather than editing the draft directly, if you want.

"Extraterrestrial Body" as any composition of elements existing in a solid, liquid, gaseous, or plasmid state of matter that originates outside of member states terrestrial atmospheres,

Should be "member states' ", plural possessive, or "member state's" if talking of a singular member state.

"Celestial Formation" as any cluster of extraterrestrial bodies held together by gravitational forces that form a structure or system,

...so, everything in the universe, including the terrestrial planets.

Using the word "extraterrestrial" is a bit iffy in any case, given that it refers to Terra, which is another word for Earth, the RL planet we all live on, so as the WA nations do not exist on a single planet, you're going to have everyone treat every terrestrial planet as "extraterrestrial" to begin with, and then the proposal doesn't make much sense.

If you talked of "terrestrial planets", on the other hand, that does exist as a concept outside of the singular homeplanet thing, and simply means rocky worlds (note, not necessarily habitable the way we understand it, given that Mars and Venus and Mercury are also terrestrial planets). Though these definitions aren't really necessary, especially if your move to using words with clear meanings (that don't break RL mentions rule).

"Contaminant" as any alien biological organism originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,

So, RL astronauts. They certainly didn't evolve in space, so they're in an alien environment when out there. Probably an invasive species, at that. :P What are you exactly going for with this?

Possessive punctuation issue.

"Artificial Debris" as any alien non-biological material or machinery originating from within member states terrestrial atmospheres,

You do know that oxygen is non-biological material, right? Even though it's produced by photosynthetic lifeforms? It certainly originates from atmospheres. In RL the Earth has a magnetic "bubble" around it, thanks to use having an active planetary core, and that protects our atmosphere. We're still losing gas from the upper reaches of the atmosphere to the erosion by solar wind. (That is thought to be why Venus and Mars lost their water - sunlight splits water into hydrogen and oxygen, and hydrogen as a light gas leaks out of the atmosphere - and why both their atmospheres are mostly CO2.) So any gas originating from RL Earth's atmosphere, would count as "artificial debris" outside of it, if it had WA member states on it.

Why do you need this definition anyway?

Tasks member states who maintain established space programs with the following mandates:

Rather than "tasks with", you might want to make that something simpler like "Mandates that member states who maintain established space programs". Though you might need to define a space program (instead of celestial formations and whatnot unnecessary stuff). Is it a space program if a nation funds an international space program (but only gives money to it) or has a single satellite (transported to orbit by a non-member nation's rockets) in orbit?

Everything these mandates additionally seems to assume that any nation with a space program automatically wants to mine stuffs out of other celestial bodies. I think this whole clause needs the modifier of "that is intending to or is already extracting resources from other celestial bodies" or something like that.

Researching methods to improve mining techniques, minimize disruption to celestial formations, and limit the spread of contaminants or loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process,

Okay, why are these lumped together? Or are they meant to be a list of research subjects? Tackling them one at a time.

Researching methods to improve mining techniques

Improve compared to what? I also wonder what you think "mining technique" means. If the nation is already using techniques that are as safe as possible while still viable, why should they research something they know is not going to be viable? They could get back to that when technology advances, but until then it's kinda a moot point. Adding "when necessary" or something like that, here, would be, well, necessary.

disruption to celestial formations,

If you're mining stuff out of something, you can't really not disrupt it in the process. And given that your "celestial formations" definition encompasses entire universes, you're really not going to disrupt the universe even if you literally blew up some stars. Or galaxies. The universe is BIG (last minute of video is advertizement). So, some re-thinking here and in the definition, is in order.

and limit the spread of contaminants

The only way to truly not import anything from a planet like Earth into space, is to not send anything to space. In RL even the NASA cleanrooms, which are made as hostile to life not meant to be there as is possible, with disinfection methods, have things living there. Bacteria are nearly impossible to kill, and even some multicellular lifeforms (see waterbears) are more durable than you would think anything alive to be. So, again, some re-thinking is in order. Why does this requirement exist? What's the idea behind it? Are you wanting to stop people taking their bacteria and micro-organisms into other ecosystems or the vice versa?

loss of artificial debris throughout the extraction process

...exactly how do you imagine to be mining anything, if you're not allowed to cause dust particles to be involved? And why are you talking about loss of debris? Debris is generally understood to be "unwanted bits", not something valuable you lose (and yes yes I know of the tools the ISS astronauts have "misplaced" into space, they still account for only a handful out of millions).

Where is this "loss" of debris meant to be a problem? At the mining site? In transit? On arrival?

Providing safety guidelines and information such as mitigation of exposure to space radiation, identification of reactive elements and compounds, and implementation of quarantine procedures,

These are another weirdly lumped together kind of list. Are you wanting information about the implementation of quarantine procedures provided, or the quarantine procedures actually getting done? These should be broken apart if they're not meant to be a list.

Providing safety guidelines and information such as mitigation of exposure to space radiation,

The exposure of what? The spacecraft? You can't really do that even within a thick terrestrial atmosphere. (Well okay, maybe Venus's, but its surface pressure is higher than Earth's deep seas', so it's perhaps not a good measuring stick.) The cargo it's transporting? Any crew (if not robotic)? And just providing safety guidelines and information doesn't equal to the safety guidelines actually followed. I mean, just think in RL of the speedlimits on roads. People break those all the time even though there are repercussions if you're caught, and the limits exist for your own safety and the safety of others.

identification of reactive elements and compounds

...what? Like, do you mean making tests on stuff you're mining to see what you're mining (as if mining was done blindly), on the location, or trying to set it on fire, or banging some rocks together to see if something bad happens, or what?

and implementation of quarantine procedures,

Quarantine of what? The mining crew? The spaceship? The cargo? And again, giving guidelines doesn't actually mean them getting followed. Just look at what's happening in RL - people supposed to be self-quarantined to stop the spread of a deadly virus are out and about and even going to work, because they have no other choice financially, or because they simply need groceries and don't have anyone to carry them home for them.

Seeking data, with assistance from ASTRO when useful, regarding the composition and celestial coordinates of extraterrestrial bodies for the purpose of assessing economic viability and technological capability before commencing mining operations,

...so using RL as an example, your proposal would be totally fine if a nation on Earth belonged to the WA, and had posted stuff to the committee/database, and a far more advanced nation (say, the Imperium of Tinfect) looked up the data and decided to come strip-mine Earth, because we can't stop them from doing that. Also, you're mandating seeking this data, even if the nation with the space program had no interest whatsoever in mining any other celestial bodies but their own.

Promoting sustainable and responsible development of resource extraction to preserve the beauty of space for future generations,

This is a preamble clause, not a mandate. Your probably should actually put it up there. It would work as a start towards the "WHY" of international legislation.

Requires that member states store and transport naturally radioactive resources and, if exposure is verifiably hazardous to organic compounds, any resources ionized by space radiation in noncombustible, radiation-resistant containers,

Okay, the sentence is grammatically correct and all that, but you might really want to switch the places of the containers mention and everything else. Because not everyone reads so carefully, and the start of the sentence looks like you require nations to store and transport radioactive resources, period. Also "exposure verifiably hazardous to organic compounds" is just wordy bullshit. UV light is that, and you don't die when you go outside on a sunny day. If your goal is to say "radioactive materials should be transported as safely as possible", just say that. As literally as you can. Or even go for the much more general "hazardous materials should be transported as safely as possible", because rocket fuel is fucking dangerous, but not (in RL anyway) radioactive.

And I don't really understand the use of "resources ionized by space radiation" here. What does that have to do with radiation? Do you know what ions are?

Prohibits members states from forcibly mining and transporting, bar operations performed during war or the enforcement of disputed claims, the resources of an extraterrestrial body inhabited by sapient species as defined in GAR#355 Rights of Sapient Species and any subsequent resolutions to the same effect,

Okay, I can see you're kind of trying to address the whole "space aliens coming to stripmine Earth" problem, but currently this makes the entire proposal illegal for House of Cards violation. And it's entirely unnecessary anyway, you could've just left it at "inhabited by sapient species" and it would work just fine.

However, this makes the point moot entirely. If the Tinfectians came to RL Earth to mine our resources, naturally it'd be "disputed claim", and if they declared war on us (as I imagine they would, after humans tried to shoot at them with something), they could do that without needing to worry about the WA so much as frowning at them. That just is not right nor something the WA should be okay with.

Strongly encourages private entities and governmental agencies to reject undertaking mining operations that irreplaceably deplete the entirety of an extraterrestrial body's resources, and when beneficial to coordinate on preservation efforts thereof,

When beneficial to whom? A lifeless asteroid? Smaller space rocks (think metallic meteoroids, for instance) would likely be gobbled up by space miners in their entirety, so they wouldn't technically be depleted so much as processed for manufacturing purposes. Also, what exactly counts as depletion? (Don't edit the draft, reply to me in this thread.) Is it not depletion if a single iron atom is left behind? And given uninhabited things, why should it matter that their resources are depleted (as far as is possible to tell/economically viably anyway)? Even more so for actually lifeless space rocks where nothing lives there. You won't be disturbing an ecosystem that doesn't exist.

Clarifies that the World Assembly has no authority to settle claims between member states over disputed extraterrestrial bodies,

Fairly sure there's a resolution that deals with territorial disputes and the WA being active in that.

Further clarifies that the World Assembly has no authority to prohibit member states from claiming sovereignty over extraterrestrial bodies, but highly encourages benevolent utilization of resources space has to offer in the spirit of peace and scientific advancement.

What on earth does any of that mean? It looks just nonsense weaselwords put together to sound like something grand while not actually achieving anything.

Okay, so, the category? The active clauses kinda weave from side to side, from one category to another. This could be written as pro-mining, and partially it is, as Free Trade, and partially it is, as Environmental, and partially it is, as Regulation: Transport, and partially it is, as Regulation: Safety, and partially it is... so you as the author really need to decide what of these is the one you really want to focus on, and then rewrite (I don't mean just altering, I mean abandoning most clauses not fitting what you've chosen, and coming up with new ones) to fit that category.

If you want to focus on safe transport, then the stuff about actually mining and sustainability and such, should largely be removed. If you want to focus on the sustainability, the transporting clauses should largely be removed. I don't think you'll be able to pass this if you focus on the sustainability, honestly speaking - or at least it'll be instantly repealed - because people tend to view "space rocks with no life on them" as not being worth protecting, if you can get economically viable resources out of them and thus protecting the ecosystems on the terrestrial planets with similar resources. If getting into orbit wasn't so difficult and resource-heavy, in RL we should move to space mining immediately, given all the ecological difficulties that doing so on Earth is causing.

A few EDITs for fixing typos that changed the meaning of the sentence and actually finishing one sentence that some space goblin had eaten a part of.
Last edited by Araraukar on Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:49 am, edited 2 times in total.
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