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Should Abortions Be Restricted During A Nationwide Emergency?

Keep them freely available!
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Limit elective abortion access! (I dunno, maybe specify if you've got some other idea about it?)
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Medical Emergencies Only!
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No access whatsoever!
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Abortion Thread V: Emergent Emergencies

Postby Godular » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:29 pm

Sooooooo, the previous thread got bumped right the heck up, but it was at the 500 page mark, and I'd like to continue along with the discussion that was previously underway with the addition of a poll.

QUOTE OF CURRENT LINE OF DISCUSSION FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES:

Greed and Death wrote:So during the Covid-19 thread a current Texas Executive Order has restricted all elective surgeries including abortion was discussed, though I feel not fully dissected. It is worth noting that women can get the abortion pill though many times that deadline is missed in the states, also Ohio and Alabama have issued similar rules.

The purpose of the rule is to free up resources for the treatment of Corona-virus. Most importantly would be Personal Protective equipment that it is becoming clear the entire world is short of. For those wondering about the case's current procedural status. The Texas case was subject to a temporary injunction by the district court but the 5th Circuit has stayed the injunction pending a full brief Friday.

Now for my opinion of the matter. I believe no right is absolute and abortion is not an exception to this. The right to assemble has been restricted as has the right to free exercise of religion. This also fits within prior abortion case law because prior case law dealt with a woman's right vs the states power to protect a future life. The current case deals with a woman's right vs the state's power to limited resources during an emergency to save lives. Now if the state of emergency continues for a significant period of time say 6 months or a year then obviously provisions must be made to allow elective abortions again as the supply problems should be resolvable by then. I also believe the purpose of the right to an abortion is to treat abortions like all other medical procedures. Well right now all other elective procedures are also banned this is treating abortion just like any other medical procedure.

Well NSG I leave the discussion up to you.


The basic question here is: Should abortion services be available during an emergency. Should they be freely available? Should they be partially restricted? Should they be wholly restricted?

Me, I think they should be freely available if only because they don't use up hospital staff.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:30 pm

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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:31 pm

As all acceptable medical procedures are considered a right under current jurisprudence, all such elective medical procedures should still be allowable during an emergency.
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Postby Deacarsia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:31 pm

Abortion should always and everywhere be illegal with no exception, since it is the murder of an unborn child.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:31 pm

Deacarsia wrote:Abortion should always and everywhere be illegal with no exception, since it is the murder of an unborn child.

Pshaw. It's moreso self-defense.
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm

Godular wrote:Sooooooo, the previous thread got bumped right the heck up, but it was at the 500 page mark, and I'd like to continue along with the discussion that was previously underway with the addition of a poll.

The basic question here is: Should abortion services be available during an emergency. Should they be freely available? Should they be partially restricted? Should they be wholly restricted?

Me, I think they should be freely available if only because they don't use up hospital staff.

I'll quote the OP of the previous thread here for background purposes.


If them being freely available doesn't hinder fighting the virus, let them be freely available.

If we start needing the resources, try to shift how abortions are provided so they use up fewer resources.

If we start getting really desperate, then I'd be open to fully restricting them until we can get the virus under control.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:33 pm

Abortion clinics continuing to operate does not detract from hospitals tending to patients of COVID-19. So yeah, keep them going. Women deserve the right to not be forced to give birth against their will even during a pandemic. If anything, they deserve MORE access to telemedicine sending out misoprostol than ever before, and with all the complications that can come from pregnancy mixing with COVID-19, abortion should be very available.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:34 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Godular wrote:Sooooooo, the previous thread got bumped right the heck up, but it was at the 500 page mark, and I'd like to continue along with the discussion that was previously underway with the addition of a poll.

The basic question here is: Should abortion services be available during an emergency. Should they be freely available? Should they be partially restricted? Should they be wholly restricted?

Me, I think they should be freely available if only because they don't use up hospital staff.

I'll quote the OP of the previous thread here for background purposes.


If them being freely available doesn't hinder fighting the virus, let them be freely available.

If we start needing the resources, try to shift how abortions are provided so they use up fewer resources.

If we start getting really desperate, then I'd be open to fully restricting them until we can get the virus under control.

For example by medical abortions.
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Postby 4chan Unity » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:34 pm

Overall Opinion on abortion:
Ban it, EXCEPT for cases of uhhh.... rape or an emergency where either the unborn child, the mother, or both, have a terminal illness, then abort the child,
Oh, and if your birth control failed, you can also abort.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:35 pm

4chan Unity wrote:Overall Opinion on abortion:
Ban it, EXCEPT for cases of uhhh.... non-consensual fun times, or an emergency where either the unborn child, the mother, or both, have a terminal illness, then abort the child,
Oh, and if your birth control failed, you can also abort.

It's called rape. It's not "fun times."
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Postby 4chan Unity » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:35 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
4chan Unity wrote:Overall Opinion on abortion:
Ban it, EXCEPT for cases of uhhh.... non-consensual fun times, or an emergency where either the unborn child, the mother, or both, have a terminal illness, then abort the child,
Oh, and if your birth control failed, you can also abort.

It's called rape. It's not "fun times."

I know that, I'm just afraid this will get moderated

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Postby Purple Rats » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Even in epidemic, abortion clinics should be open, as abortion is time sensitive- person can not just push it to future.
And in safety of the stuff, and other people someone would pass by, all masks and other things they use in "normal hospital" should be available too.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:37 pm

If we're not going to stop all other time-sensitive operations, I don't see the need to stop abortions because of the pandemic.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Kannap wrote:If we're not going to stop all other time-sensitive operations, I don't see the need to stop abortions because of the pandemic.

They did stop all other time-sensitive operations of a voluntary nature.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:38 pm

4chan Unity wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:It's called rape. It's not "fun times."

I know that, I'm just afraid this will get moderated

If its allowed to, I'll edit

You are more likely to get in trouble for calling it "non-consensual fun times" than "rape" tbh.
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Postby Purple Rats » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
4chan Unity wrote:I know that, I'm just afraid this will get moderated

If its allowed to, I'll edit

You are more likely to get in trouble for calling it "non-consensual fun times" than "rape" tbh.


I think the same, weird logic.

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Postby 4chan Unity » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:41 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
4chan Unity wrote:I know that, I'm just afraid this will get moderated

If its allowed to, I'll edit

You are more likely to get in trouble for calling it "non-consensual fun times" than "rape" tbh.

I'd say I'd get in equally big trouble for both
But I edited it to rape
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4chan Unity wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:You are more likely to get in trouble for calling it "non-consensual fun times" than "rape" tbh.

I'd say I'd get in equally big trouble for both
But I edited it to rape

This is a pg-13 forum, not a g forum, you wont get in trouble for saying the word "rape"
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:42 pm

4chan Unity wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:You are more likely to get in trouble for calling it "non-consensual fun times" than "rape" tbh.

I'd say I'd get in equally big trouble for both
But I edited it to rape


You can use the word rape without getting in trouble.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:50 pm

4chan Unity wrote:Overall Opinion on abortion:
Ban it, EXCEPT for cases of uhhh.... rape or an emergency where either the unborn child, the mother, or both, have a terminal illness, then abort the child,
Oh, and if your birth control failed, you can also abort.

How would you be able to confirm the birth control failure? What makes the fetus conceived through that or rape lesser than another?
Like, I'm as pro-choice as they come, but I don't understand these odd exceptions to restrictions.
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Postby Godular » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:50 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
4chan Unity wrote:I'd say I'd get in equally big trouble for both
But I edited it to rape


You can use the word rape without getting in trouble.


Admittedly, it does depend on the circumstances. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent.

So yeah, freely available because it doesn't use hospital resources!
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Deacarsia wrote:Abortion should always and everywhere be illegal with no exception, since it is the murder of an unborn child.

Is pulling a brain-dead person off life support murder?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:58 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
4chan Unity wrote:Overall Opinion on abortion:
Ban it, EXCEPT for cases of uhhh.... rape or an emergency where either the unborn child, the mother, or both, have a terminal illness, then abort the child,
Oh, and if your birth control failed, you can also abort.

How would you be able to confirm the birth control failure? What makes the fetus conceived through that or rape lesser than another?
Like, I'm as pro-choice as they come, but I don't understand these odd exceptions to restrictions.

I always thought that exception made no sense either. Regardless of the original act, the fetus isn't responsible for it.

And notably, for men raped by women, this exception to being required to support the child has been roundly rejected by every court that's ever considered it, as far as I know.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:05 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Abortion should always and everywhere be illegal with no exception, since it is the murder of an unborn child.

Is pulling a brain-dead person off life support murder?

I was once accused of being "murderous" on one of these threads for saying that I'd pull the plug on a person who was brain dead in the instance of the family and doctors thinking it was the best course of action for the person, so don't be surprised if people say that it is.
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