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Any hope of a lawsuit against China?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:25 am

Tens of thousands dead, and numbers mounting. Whole economies driven into recession.

All because a government that should've learned its lesson from SARS didn't bother to crack down on its notoriously unhygenic food industry or come clean about the disease it was exporting.

If an individual within the same country did it, we could sue the hell out of them for damages. But China gets away with this once again.

We outnumber China 5 to 1. If the world got together, is there anything we could charge them with to seize monetary compensation, by force if necessary?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:27 am

I'd prefer a regime change, personally.

As in the Maoist pretenders get kicked out on their asses and the rightful government-in-exile comes back from Taiwan.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:29 am

If I could, I would sue them for as much money as they had, and then give it in equal parcels to every American.

We're probably talking billions and billions of dollars so we would all be doing pretty good after this. But that's all a hypothetical and is as likely to happen as Drake and Pusha T ever making up.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:35 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I'd prefer a regime change, personally.

As in the Maoist pretenders get kicked out on their asses and the rightful government-in-exile comes back from Taiwan.

How would we go about that, though? A number of Chinese citizens use VPNs, is there any way to co-ordinate regime change behind Xi's back?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Page » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:39 am

What is that cliche thing people like to say about communism ... "it only works in theory." That seems to apply here. In the real world, China won't be handing out reparations.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:03 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:... the disease it was exporting.

Sorry, China did not export the disease. Foreigners who were in China and then flew back home did.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:06 am

You could only sue China if they allowed you to sue them, which they obviously won't do.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:08 am

The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:08 am

yes this is definitely how lawsuits work
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:11 am

The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

What makes you think that the WHO would be involved in any way?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:13 am

The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

The rest of the world outnumbers China. Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
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How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Kannap » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:15 am

Why not sue Italy for allowing their citizens to travel globally? Why not sue Donald Trump for allowing people to continue coming from China early on?

There are lots of moving components in this whole situation and lots of people to blame, China isn't the sole carrier of any blame.

Besides, this isn't how lawsuits work lol.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:16 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

The rest of the world outnumbers China. Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?


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Postby Kannap » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:17 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

The rest of the world outnumbers China. Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?


You're suggesting we scrap the World Health Organization and replace it with, what, another world health organization?
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:21 am

Kannap wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:The rest of the world outnumbers China. Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?


You're suggesting we scrap the World Health Organization and replace it with, what, another world health organization?

It seemed to work when the League of Nations changed to the World Assembly United Nations.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:22 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

The rest of the world outnumbers China.

Why do you keep saying this like it matters? There isn't going to be a global referendum on China.
Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?

Because there's nothing wrong with the WHO.
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Postby Democractic CheShuoer » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:23 am

You didn't ask the US for compensation when the flu broke out in the United States and spread all over the world LMAO.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:23 am

Kannap wrote:Why not sue Italy for allowing their citizens to travel globally? Why not sue Donald Trump for allowing people to continue coming from China early on?

There are lots of moving components in this whole situation and lots of people to blame, China isn't the sole carrier of any blame.

Besides, this isn't how lawsuits work lol.

Under ordinary circumstances, going to China and coming back was safe. If China hadn't covered it up, we would've known this was an exception.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Fort Horned Owl » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:25 am

Look, the simplest answer is to find a couple old T-34's, drive them through the west of China, and start a battle in Beijing.

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Postby Jabberwocky » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:27 am

The US in in debt to the tune of trillions of dollars. To whom? Well, China, among others. And we want to get tough with them? What happens when they call in their chit? The United States of China.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:29 am

Jabberwocky wrote:The US in in debt to the tune of trillions of dollars. To whom? Well, China, among others. And we want to get tough with them? What happens when they call in their chit? The United States of China.


Not to mention all those "Made in China" stickers aren't for decoration. We gonna try to get tough with the people who make most of our shit for us?
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:37 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

The rest of the world outnumbers China. Why don't they scrap the WHO and replace it with something else?

Because there has to be a World Health Organization to coordinate responses to pandemics and global health threats.
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The South Falls wrote:The WHO is sucking up to China 24/7. They'd be the ones to suggest any sort of reparation towards the world, or stymie it if another polity decided to do so. This isn't going to go through properly.

What makes you think that the WHO would be involved in any way?

They're the preeminent authority on world health, and any reports they make after the situation would assign blame for the spread of this virus, which may be the catalysts needed to elicit a reparations movement.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:38 am

Thats not how the world works Luna.

Read some good (non-theoretical) books, autobiographies and reports from people who actually experienced some things.

For a starter.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:43 am

Damn right China's gonna pay massively for all the lives lost as soon as the Xi virus has run its course. Forget lawsuits. An all-out cold war including harsh economic sanctions, diplomatic isolation and an arms embargo is the only way to go. All foreign investments in China must be banned. China must be given the same cold shoulder as Iran and North Korea. The Chinese Communist Party must be defeated and its subjects liberated from the inside. Waging a cold war against China is far more effective than any lawsuit.
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