[SUBMITTED] Click Bait

[Baggieland]

Here's the inspiration:

https://eoto.tech/camera-shutter-sound/

[TITLE] Click Bait

[DESCRIPTION] New legislation is under consideration that would require camera manufacturers to install an extra loud shutter sound, that can't be turned off or disabled, on all devices after another high profile case of voyeurism. This time, a cleaner at the Mall of @@CAPITAL@@ found a hidden camera in one of the ladies' changing rooms that had thousands of pictures of female patrons in various states of undress.

[VALIDITY] adult, decentish tech industry, allows elderly

[OPTION] "I feel so violated!" declares @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the victims of the hidden camera, as she takes a selfie with you without seeking permission. "Whether it's undressing in changing rooms or someone taking an upskirt photo on an escalator or while sitting opposite you on a train: these perverts are everywhere. My life is not their porn. Please enact this legislation, so that no one can secretly take photos any more."

[EFFECT] clicking a pen in public can get you into a whole lot of trouble

[OPTION] "Hidden cameras saved my life," interjects @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a domestic abuse survivor. "My former partner used to beat me up all the time. It was thanks to hidden cameras that I was able to document the abuse and take the evidence to the police. You should instead legislate that these companies make their shutters completely non-audible: and get rid of those flashing lights as well."

[EFFECT] smile: you're always on camera

[OPTION] "Seems to me all this new-fangled technology is the problem," states old-timer @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, as he takes an eternity to approach your desk. "Hidden cameras, loud clicks: when I was a nipper we used to have them box cameras. You had to sit perfectly still for ten minutes, looking straight at the lens without flinching. Damned fine photographs they produced too. Get rid of all these fancy new cameras and return to a time of classic photography."

[EFFECT] criminals on misdemeanour charges have served their sentences by the time their mug-shots get taken

[TITLE] Click Bait

[DESCRIPTION] New legislation is under consideration that would require camera manufacturers to install an extra loud shutter sound, that can't be turned off or disabled, on all devices after another high profile case of voyeurism. This time, a cleaner at the Mall of @@CAPITAL@@ found a hidden camera in one of the ladies' changing rooms that had thousands of pictures of female patrons in various states of undress.

[VALIDITY] adult, decentish tech industry, allows elderly

[OPTION] "I feel so violated!" declares @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the victims of the hidden camera, as she takes a selfie with you without seeking permission. "Whether it's undressing in changing rooms or someone taking an upskirt photo on an escalator or while sitting opposite you on a train: these perverts are everywhere. My life is not their porn. Please enact this legislation, so that no one can secretly take photos any more."

[EFFECT] clicking a pen in public can get you into a whole lot of trouble

[OPTION] "Hidden cameras saved my life," interjects @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a domestic abuse survivor. "My former partner used to beat me up all the time. It was thanks to hidden cameras that I was able to document the abuse and take the evidence to the police. You should instead legislate that these companies make their shutters completely non-audible: and get rid of those flashing lights as well."

[EFFECT] you're always on camera

[OPTION] "Seems to me all this new-fangled technology is the problem," states old-timer @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, as he takes an eternity to approach your desk. "Hidden cameras, loud clicks: when I was a nipper we used to have them box cameras. You had to sit perfectly still for ten minutes, looking straight at the lens without flinching. Damned fine photographs they produced too. Get rid of all these fancy new cameras and return to a time of classic photography."

[EFFECT] criminals on misdemeanour charges have served their sentences by the time their mug-shots get taken

[TITLE] Click Bait

[DESCRIPTION] @@NAME@@ has recently been rocked by a spate of high profile cases of voyeurism. In the latest incident, a cleaner at the Mall of @@CAPITAL@@ found a hidden camera in one of the ladies' changing rooms that had thousands of pictures of female patrons in various states of undress.

[VALIDITY] adult, decentish tech industry, allows elderly

[OPTION] "I feel so violated!" declares @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the victims of the hidden camera, as she takes a selfie with you without seeking permission. "Whether it's undressing in changing rooms or someone taking an upskirt photo on an escalator: these perverts are everywhere. You need to enact legislation that would require camera manufacturers to install an extra loud shutter sound, that can't be turned off or disabled, on all devices. Then no one can secretly take photos any more; my life is not their porn!"

[EFFECT] clicking a pen in public can get you into a whole lot of trouble

[OPTION] "Secret cameras saved my life," interjects @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a domestic abuse survivor. "My former partner used to beat me up all the time. It was thanks to hidden cameras that I was able to document the abuse and take the evidence to the police. You should instead legislate that these companies make their shutters completely non-audible: and get rid of those flashing lights as well."

[EFFECT] you're always on camera

[OPTION] "Seems to me all this new-fangled technology is the problem," states old-timer @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, as he takes an eternity to approach your desk. "Hidden cameras, loud clicks: when I was a nipper we used to have them box cameras. You had to sit perfectly still for ten minutes, looking straight at the lens without flinching. Damned fine photographs they produced too. Get rid of all these fancy new cameras and return to a time of classic photography."

[EFFECT] criminals on misdemeanour charges have served their sentences by the time their mug-shots get taken

[TITLE] Click Bait

[DESCRIPTION] It seems that not a day goes by without a media report on someone using a camera to engage in an act of voyeurism. In the latest incident, a cleaner at the Mall of @@CAPITAL@@ found a hidden camera in one of the ladies' changing rooms that had thousands of pictures of female patrons in various states of undress.

[VALIDITY] adult, decentish tech industry, allows elderly

[OPTION] "I feel so violated!" declares @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the victims of the hidden camera, as she takes a selfie with you without seeking permission. "Whether it's undressing in changing rooms or someone taking an upskirt photo on an escalator: these perverts are everywhere. You need to enact legislation that would require camera manufacturers to install an extra loud shutter sound, that can't be turned off or disabled, on all devices. Then no one can secretly take photos any more; my life is not their porn!"

[EFFECT] clicking a pen in public can get you into a whole lot of trouble

[OPTION] "Secret cameras saved my life," interjects @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a domestic abuse survivor. "My former partner used to beat me up all the time. It was thanks to hidden cameras that I was able to document the abuse and take the evidence to the police. You should instead legislate that these companies make their shutters completely non-audible: and get rid of those flashing lights as well."

[EFFECT] you're always on camera

[OPTION] "Seems to me all this new-fangled technology is the problem," states old-timer @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, as he takes an eternity to approach your desk. "Hidden cameras, loud clicks: when I was a nipper we used to have them box cameras. You had to sit perfectly still for ten minutes, looking straight at the lens without flinching. Damned fine photographs they produced too. Get rid of all these fancy new cameras and return to a time of classic photography."

[EFFECT] criminals on misdemeanour charges have served their sentences by the time their mug-shots get taken

[Trotterdam]

[OPTION] "Hidden cameras saved my life," interjects @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a domestic abuse survivor. "My former partner used to beat me up all the time. It was thanks to hidden cameras that I was able to document the abuse and take the evidence to the police. You should instead legislate that these companies make their shutters completely non-audible: and get rid of those flashing lights as well."

Weren't you just recently saying crazy options should go at the end? Just that completely-silent cameras are useful for some people doesn't mean it makes sense to mandate all cameras to be such. And any reasonable camera already has a feature to disable the flash, it's just that a lot of people are too stupid to use it. Not being capable of a flash at all would lead to a lot of photos being made with poor lighting, which would be a less serious but far more common problem than anything these people are talking about.

And yes, banning cameras that take less than ten minutes is also a crazy option, but it's at least one that makes sense in terms of the (weird) viewpoint of the person suggesting it, unlike this one.

Actually, wait a moment, I think option 1 is crazy too. What about video cameras? Those don't "click". Do they need to make a loud whirr for the entire time they're running? Goodbye, @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ film industry. (And yes, you can still use video cameras for anything you can use snapshot cameras for. Just use video editing software to extract the one frame you're interested in.)

So okay, yeah, I guess the crazy options are at the end, because they're all crazy options.

[Australian rePublic]

Option 2- why specify a female? Men can be domestic violence victims too

[Trotterdam]

Option 2- why specify a female? Men can be domestic violence victims too

Men can be voyeurism victims too.

But both are more often female, and in this case having both speakers be the same gender helps to emphasize that this is not actually a gender politics issue, despite initially sounding like one.

[Baggieland]

Option 2- why specify a female? Men can be domestic violence victims too

Yes, I 100% agree with you Aussie, men are indeed victims of abuse too, also most men don't report their abuse to authorities, so the true numbers are vastly under reported -- suck it up and don't forget to pay the bills -- is how the majority deal with it.

Men can be voyeurism victims too.

Probably true as well.

However, it is also fair to acknowledge that in both cases women are more often the victims.

By choosing both the main speakers to be female, I was attempting to achieve a moral dilemma for the reader. If you had one victim male and the other victim female, I believe it would be less for the reader to ponder. So, two female victims with opposing needs is what we have.

[Australian rePublic]

Option 2- why specify a female? Men can be domestic violence victims too

Yes, I 100% agree with you Aussie, men are indeed victims of abuse too, also most men don't report their abuse to authorities, so the true numbers are vastly under reported -- suck it up and don't forget to pay the bills -- is how the majority deal with it.

Men can be voyeurism victims too.

Probably true as well.

However, it is also fair to acknowledge that in both cases women are more often the victims.

By choosing both the main speakers to be female, I was attempting to achieve a moral dilemma for the reader. If you had one victim male and the other victim female, I believe it would be less for the reader to ponder. So, two female victims with opposing needs is what we have.

Why would it be less for the reader to pinder? Unless you're suggesting that men and women are unequal

[Baggieland]

Why would it be less for the reader to pinder? Unless you're suggesting that men and women are unequal

so the true numbers are vastly under reported -- suck it up and don't forget to pay the bills -- is how the majority deal with it

I'm not in disagreement with you Aussie, it's how society, generally, sees these matters.

[Australian rePublic]

Why would it be less for the reader to pinder? Unless you're suggesting that men and women are unequal

so the true numbers are vastly under reported -- suck it up and don't forget to pay the bills -- is how the majority deal with it

I'm not in disagreement with you Aussie, it's how society, generally, sees these matters.

Right right, carry on

[Nooooooooooooooo]

[EFFECT] smile: you're always on camera

I would probably drop the smile part, or perhaps change it to something that sounds better with "Following new legislation in @@NATION@@"

Also, does the shutter sound also apply to videos? I assume it does, but if it doesn't, then it would be much easier to take a video of someone in the shower.

[Baggieland]

change it to something that sounds better with "Following new legislation in @@NATION@@"

Nah, that's never a good line for an effect.

I would probably drop the smile part

Okay, I can do that.

Also, does the shutter sound also apply to videos?

Isn't the full name 'video cameras'?

2nd draft is up.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I'd also personally be wary, Aussie, of always being the guy who asks "What about ((privileged group))? They also suffer ((thing that less privileged group suffers))!"

It's not a good look. You might imagine it comes across as clever challenging of assumptions, but actually it mostly comes across us as being unsympathetic to the majority of victims.

Go type "voyeur cam" into google, and see what proportion of the hits relate to men being spied on.

[Trotterdam]

I'd also personally be wary, Aussie, of always being the guy who asks "What about ((privileged group))? They also suffer ((thing that less privileged group suffers))!"

Eh, I sorta respect what he's trying to do. I do agree that some feminists can get excessive in making it look like men are inherently evil while women can do no wrong, and it can be worth calling out. The problem is that he has absolutely no self-awareness, and posts the same "think of the men!" line regardless of how applicable it is to the issue at hand.

And in this case, he brought it up on one option while completely overlooking that it applies just as much to another.

Go type "voyeur cam" into google, and see what proportion of the hits relate to men being spied on.

That sounds like a really bad thing to type into a search engine. At least if I don't want to see the actual naughty pictures those voyeur cams took.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I agree, it's demeaning and intrusive.

When done right.


(this is a joke, I don't actually endorse voyeurism)

[Australian rePublic]

I'd also personally be wary, Aussie, of always being the guy who asks "What about ((privileged group))? They also suffer ((thing that less privileged group suffers))!"

It's not a good look. You might imagine it comes across as clever challenging of assumptions, but actually it mostly comes across us as being unsympathetic to the majority of victims.

I disagree entirely

Go type "voyeur cam" into google, and see what proportion of the hits relate to men being spied on.

No thanks. My m

[Baggieland]

Bump.

Any more comments on this one?

[Candlewhisper Archive]

It's good, but to me the first sentence...

[DESCRIPTION] New legislation is under consideration that would require camera manufacturers to install an extra loud shutter sound, that can't be turned off or disabled, on all devices after another high profile case of voyeurism. This time, a cleaner at the Mall of @@CAPITAL@@ found a hidden camera in one of the ladies' changing rooms that had thousands of pictures of female patrons in various states of undress.

...is an option, not a premise. Know what I mean?

[Baggieland]

Know what I mean?

I believe I do.

3rd draft is up.

[Trotterdam]

Know what I mean?

I believe I do.

You changed the opening to be about voyerurism instead of cameras, but all the options are still "what to do about cameras", not "what to do about voyeurism".

[Baggieland]

You changed the opening to be about voyerurism instead of cameras, but all the options are still "what to do about cameras", not "what to do about voyeurism".
by Baggieland » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:58 pm

Okey dokey, and amended.

4th draft is up.

[Baggieland]

Submitted, thanks for everyone's help.

[Australian rePublic]

Good luck