Are people born evil?

[Rojava Free State]

Wow, this thread is really degenerated into blatant racism.

Unfortunately that was to be expected, given how we find ourselves in a cursed realm called NationStates General. Benevolence is rare in this place, but caustic negativity tends to be overabundant.

The Macomb Daily comment section couldn't even compete with this place lmfao.

[Ayytaly]

Wow, this thread is really degenerated into blatant racism.

I think it's ironic how once upon a time, not long ago, Ayytaly was making the case for why Mugabe's violence toward white farmers was justified and in this thread he just took the piss out of black people.

Newsflash ladies and gentlemen, not all black kids are illiterate dumbasses and most of them aren't criminals either. Half of my friends are black, and this may come as quite of a shock, but black people actually have individuality and don't just come in the same cookie cutter type.

I'm personally pissed that you use your ethnicity and setting as a platform to get on your high horse, as if being a Latino somehow gives you the higher moral ground. I say this as someone who also lives around the NYC area, so you're not alone geographically, but you're not my "pana" either.

You have black friends. Good for you. I don't see how that helps your argument other than use it as fuel against my comments regarding urban culture since the 90s. It might sound like a shock to you, but I too have closeness with members of the Black community as well. Here's what probably sets us apart in our respective choice of friendships: Most black folk I know of (and befriended) are either African/Afro-Caribbean expats or elderly black folk who grew up during the dying years of segregation, witnessed Dr. King's works and death. An even bigger difference is that almost all of my elders didn't take education for granted because that was their means to acheive equality in times where the WASP hegemony dominated North America politically, economically, and socially, and didn't want anyone not Germanic to rise to the occasion (this includes the Irish you mentioned.) My African expat friend from Liberia is currently in Columbia. In stark contrast, modern Afro-American youth would rather disrupt class for TikTok/Vine views, a scenario not unlike my experiences in Newark public schools. And no, this erratic behavior isn't exclusive to one particular race. I've had to cooperate with Latino hoodrats and the occasional tryhard White kid from Scarsdale who thought he was the next Eminem. I never explicitly said it was racial to begin with -- It is instead the symptom of the gradual downfall of so-called "Western civilization" started by Gen X and continued by their successors.

That being said, if you're going to pin this and my previous comments on Mugabe's regime to make me look like the next Madison Grant in this forum, you're got another thing coming. Try not letting the horse buck you down and out.

[Rojava Free State]

I think it's ironic how once upon a time, not long ago, Ayytaly was making the case for why Mugabe's violence toward white farmers was justified and in this thread he just took the piss out of black people.

Newsflash ladies and gentlemen, not all black kids are illiterate dumbasses and most of them aren't criminals either. Half of my friends are black, and this may come as quite of a shock, but black people actually have individuality and don't just come in the same cookie cutter type.

I'm personally pissed that you use your ethnicity and setting as a platform to get on your high horse, as if being a Latino somehow gives you the higher moral ground. I say this as someone who also lives around the NYC area, so you're not alone geographically, but you're not my "pana" either.

You have black friends. Good for you. I don't see how that helps your argument other than use it as fuel against my comments regarding urban culture since the 90s. It might sound like a shock to you, but I too have closeness with members of the Black community as well. Here's what probably sets us apart in our respective choice of friendships: Most black folk I know of (and befriended) are either African/Afro-Caribbean expats or elderly black folk who grew up during the dying years of segregation, witnessed Dr. King's works and death. An even bigger difference is that almost all of my elders didn't take education for granted because that was their means to acheive equality in times where the WASP hegemony dominated North America politically, economically, and socially, and didn't want anyone not Germanic to rise to the occasion (this includes the Irish you mentioned.) My African expat friend from Liberia is currently in Columbia. In stark contrast, modern Afro-American youth would rather disrupt class for TikTok/Vine views, a scenario not unlike my experiences in Newark public schools. And no, this erratic behavior isn't exclusive to one particular race. I've had to cooperate with Latino hoodrats and the occasional tryhard White kid from Scarsdale who thought he was the next Eminem. I never explicitly said it was racial to begin with -- It is instead the symptom of the gradual downfall of so-called "Western civilization" started by Gen X and continued by their successors.

That being said, if you're going to pin this and my previous comments on Mugabe's regime to make me look like the next Madison Grant in this forum, you're got another thing coming. Try not letting the horse buck you down and out.

Hey man, honestly it ain't even about who has more black friends. You used the most stereotypical imitation of a minority group to try and claim they were failing without religion, which not only is kinda offensive, but totally misses the real reason black America isn't looking too good.

[Ayytaly]

I'm personally pissed that you use your ethnicity and setting as a platform to get on your high horse, as if being a Latino somehow gives you the higher moral ground. I say this as someone who also lives around the NYC area, so you're not alone geographically, but you're not my "pana" either.

You have black friends. Good for you. I don't see how that helps your argument other than use it as fuel against my comments regarding urban culture since the 90s. It might sound like a shock to you, but I too have closeness with members of the Black community as well. Here's what probably sets us apart in our respective choice of friendships: Most black folk I know of (and befriended) are either African/Afro-Caribbean expats or elderly black folk who grew up during the dying years of segregation, witnessed Dr. King's works and death. An even bigger difference is that almost all of my elders didn't take education for granted because that was their means to acheive equality in times where the WASP hegemony dominated North America politically, economically, and socially, and didn't want anyone not Germanic to rise to the occasion (this includes the Irish you mentioned.) My African expat friend from Liberia is currently in Columbia. In stark contrast, modern Afro-American youth would rather disrupt class for TikTok/Vine views, a scenario not unlike my experiences in Newark public schools. And no, this erratic behavior isn't exclusive to one particular race. I've had to cooperate with Latino hoodrats and the occasional tryhard White kid from Scarsdale who thought he was the next Eminem. I never explicitly said it was racial to begin with -- It is instead the symptom of the gradual downfall of so-called "Western civilization" started by Gen X and continued by their successors.

That being said, if you're going to pin this and my previous comments on Mugabe's regime to make me look like the next Madison Grant in this forum, you're got another thing coming. Try not letting the horse buck you down and out.

Hey man, honestly it ain't even about who has more black friends. You used the most stereotypical imitation of a minority group to try and claim they were failing without religion, which not only is kinda offensive, but totally misses the real reason black America isn't looking too good.

Cultural shifts is what caused the downfall of the black community. That, and the crack epidemic that the feds had a hand in during the tail-end of mass white flights.

[Autumn Wind]

I was under the impression that deindustrialization in the latter half of the 20th century played a significant role in the collapse of urban communities generally. People never really stopped going to church; even today, while religious attendance is declining, Americans are more religious than most developed countries.

It’s my belief that people are inherently self interested, rather than “good” or “evil” which are fairly subjective anyway, outside of serial rapists and murderers and the like.

[Hurdergaryp]

I was under the impression that deindustrialization in the latter half of the 20th century played a significant role in the collapse of urban communities generally. People never really stopped going to church; even today, while religious attendance is declining, Americans are more religious than most developed countries.

It’s my belief that people are inherently self interested, rather than “good” or “evil” which are fairly subjective anyway, outside of serial rapists and murderers and the like.

Yet it is because of this self interest that most humans, group animals as they are, understand the need for cooperation. Survival is easier that way. Less lonely, too.

[Ayytaly]

I was under the impression that deindustrialization in the latter half of the 20th century played a significant role in the collapse of urban communities generally. People never really stopped going to church; even today, while religious attendance is declining, Americans are more religious than most developed countries.

It’s my belief that people are inherently self interested, rather than “good” or “evil” which are fairly subjective anyway, outside of serial rapists and murderers and the like.

That's owed to the mass numbers of immigration, many coming from highly-Christian Latin America and Catholic Europe. Even Asians like Korea are putting their faith in Jesus over Buddha.

I wonder, why don't Liberals and Conservatives exchange their stand on immigration? Anti-immigrant liberals would see a rise in pro-choice, lgbt, and other forms of support of their views.

I was under the impression that deindustrialization in the latter half of the 20th century played a significant role in the collapse of urban communities generally. People never really stopped going to church; even today, while religious attendance is declining, Americans are more religious than most developed countries.

It’s my belief that people are inherently self interested, rather than “good” or “evil” which are fairly subjective anyway, outside of serial rapists and murderers and the like.

Yet it is because of this self interest that most humans, group animals as they are, understand the need for cooperation. Survival is easier that way. Less lonely, too.

Doesn't explain why so many loners and social rejects end up becoming mass shooters, especially in school.

Oh wait, maybe it does.