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(Draft) Limitation of Forest Logging

Postby Joshii » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:30 am

(Hello guys. I want to make this proposal at the GA but I want to hear your comments and suggestions so let me know :)

Limitation of Forest Logging
The General Assembly:
Acknowledging that nature is essential to the survival of all life forms, especially the citizens of the world.
Further Acknowledging that forest logging can be an important part of the economic sector.
However recognizing its dangers to the forest its wildlife and the endangered state of the environment and it's impact to all sectors
Hereby,
Defines the following:
1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area
2. A forest is a complex ecosystem consisting mainly of trees that buffer the earth and support a myriad of life forms. 

Enacts the Limitation of Forest Logging Act in support of:
a.) the detriorating situation of the forests
b.) the rehabilitation of the environment
c.) GA Resolution #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

States its implementation:
1. Forest logging should be discouraged, especially in heavily forested areas
2. The process in passing a permission to cut down trees as stated in GA Resolution #291 must be strictly followed
3. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one-hundred to two-hundred (100-200) cut in a year
4. Cut trees must be replaced with new ones.

Encouragingthe members of the World Assembly to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests.
Further encouraging the members to set a Protected Forest Zone or PFZ where:
a.) it shall not be less than three million per square kilometer (3,000,000km2)
b.) endangered wildlife is present
c.) only scientists that belong to studies related to nature, environmentalists and government officials can enter
Calls upon all the members of this humble assembly to set laws and funds in support of protecting the forests
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:34 am

Joshii wrote:Mother Earth

Not all WA nations are located on Earth. Furthermore, your proposal only "discourages" without requiring that anything be done by members.

I suggest you read GA#291 "Sustainable Forest Management" and GA#346 "Researching Unique Ecosystems" (at minimum) for overlap first. Please keep everything in your own language, however, and well done for drafting here first before submitting. Now simmer for a few weeks before serving...
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:19 am

Joshii wrote:2. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20)


OOC: In total? Per nation? Per time increment? If so, per year? Month? Day? Hour? Minute? Second? Wht do these numbers signify why did you choose them? If you have an explanation, include that instead of static numbers.
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Postby Joshii » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:08 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Joshii wrote:Mother Earth

Not all WA nations are located on Earth. Furthermore, your proposal only "discourages" without requiring that anything be done by members.

I suggest you read GA#291 "Sustainable Forest Management" and GA#346 "Researching Unique Ecosystems" (at minimum) for overlap first. Please keep everything in your own language, however, and well done for drafting here first before submitting. Now simmer for a few weeks before serving...


Alright thanks bro :)

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Postby Joshii » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:09 pm

The New Nordic Union wrote:
Joshii wrote:2. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20)


OOC: In total? Per nation? Per time increment? If so, per year? Month? Day? Hour? Minute? Second? Wht do these numbers signify why did you choose them? If you have an explanation, include that instead of static numbers.


Alright I'll keep that in mind

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Postby Denathor » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:34 am

"My notes are in blue, ambassador."

The General Assembly:
Acknowledges that nature is essential to the survival of all life forms, especially the citizens of the world, Change "Acknowledges" to "Acknowledging"
Acknowledges that forest logging is an important part of the economic sector but is also dangerous to the forest and its wildlife, The first part isn’t necessary true for all nations. I’d change "is an important part" to "can be an important part." Also change "Acknowledges" to "Further acknowledging"
Recognizes the endangered state of the environment and it's impact to all sectors, Change "Recognizes" to "Recognizing"
Is Required to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests, Change "Is Required" to "Encouraging nations"

Add "Hereby,"


Definitions of the proposed law: Change this to "Defines"
1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area
2. A forested area is defined by the presence of diverse species, animals and plants alike covered with trees as protection Switch the order above two definitions
The ones below aren’t really definitions, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to do with them and therefore I can’t comment on them.

3. It has been proven that forests absorb the carbons emitted and brings to us oxygen to live.
4. The rapid deterioration of these forests have caused significant increase in carbon emission which therefore have caused severe health issues and climate change.
5. The law is therefore proposed to alleviate the said issues and to rehabilitate all worlds
6. The law is also proposed to support GA Resoultion #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

Implementation:
1. Forest logging should be discouraged, especially in heavily forested areas as defined by GA Resolution #291 I can't seem to find a definition of "heavily forested areas" in #291. Are you sure there is one?
2. Permission to cut down trees must be submitted to the WAFC and the state in soverignity This appears to partially be a duplication of clause 3 of Res #291
3. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20) cut in a month This is an incredibly low number. Expect heavy opposition if you don’t raise it
4. Cut trees should be replaced with new ones. "Should" implies optionality. Is this your intention?
5. Failure to oblige with the law is to be imprisoned for two to five years (2-5) or at the discretion of the nation holding soverignity to the area.


OOC: There’s a lot of work to do on this, but if you want to continue with it, I’d recommend looking over the formatting codes, specifically the section on lists, which will help you with making this a bit neater.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:13 pm

OOC post.

Joshii wrote:Recognizes the endangered state of the environment and it's impact to all sectors

First of all, environment is not endangered everywhere, even not counting RP realities (like Araraukar, which operates on "environment first" basis). Secondly "its impact" (you have a typo there btw) is unclear what impact you mean. The impact of environment? What bad did environment ever do to you?

Is Required to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests

"Required" is an active clause word, so this must be read as an active clause. "All worlds" would by necessity include those inhabited by non-member nations. WA law can't affect non-member nations. You could get away with "all nations" as meaning only WA nations, but "all worlds" goes too far. This clause alone renders this illegal as written.

1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area

"Logging" already means that as a commonly understood meaning, so if you left "forest" out of it, you could leave out this definition. Words, when used in their dictionary definition manner, don't need to be defined.

2. A forested area is defined by the presence of diverse species, animals and plants alike covered with trees as protection

"Plants covered with trees" makes no sense as trees are plants themselves. Also "as protection"? What? Also, see above about the usual meaning of words. You don't need to define a forest.

3. It has been proven that forests absorb the carbons emitted and brings to us oxygen to live.

First of all, this is not a definition, so it shouldn't be lumped under the definitions. Also, it's partially false as only forests in a certain part of their lifecycle actually absorb more carbon than they emit. They also consume practically all the oxygen they produce. For oxygen production on the large scale, you need to look to the oceanic plankton. Also, you've left out entirely the effect forests have on the water cycle. Was that intentional?

4. The rapid deterioration of these forests have caused significant increase in carbon emission which therefore have caused severe health issues and climate change.

Also not a definition, so it shouldn't be in the definitions. Also, "rapid deterioration" likely doesn't mean what you think it means, but disturbed forest soil is the major component in making forests carbon donors (and likewise undisturbed forest soil makes then carbon absorbers), and it is possible, albeit expensive, to log without disturbing the soil. Check helicopter logging in RL.

5. The law is therefore proposed to alleviate the said issues and to rehabilitate all worlds

Again with the "all the worlds". Also, what rehabilitation? None of the clauses say anything about rehabilitating forestland, just that you have to plant trees. That's how RL monoculture economic use forests are made in the first place! Additionally "is proposed" doesn't actually do anything. You're writing a resolution, not a proposal for a debate.

6. The law is also proposed to support GA Resoultion #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

Also not a definition, "is proposed" still doesn't do anything, and this counts as a House of Cards violation, because if #291 gets repealed, your resolution has lost its purpose. You can complement a resolution without saying you're complementing (or "supporting", not that it needs any support) it.

Implementation:

What's with these subtitles? They don't help. Get rid of them.

1. Forest logging should be discouraged, especially in heavily forested areas as defined by GA Resolution #291

House of Cards violation again, plus "should" doesn't actually do anything.

2. Permission to cut down trees must be submitted to the WAFC and the state in soverignity

What the hell is WAFC? If you're using a pre-existing committee, write out its full name. And what on earth is "state in soverignity"? Also, submitting permission, rather than petition, makes it sound like the submitter is giving WAFC and the whatever the permission, rather than the other way around.

3. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20) cut in a month

As pointed out by others, this is an idiotic limit, and also if your aim is to reduce the environmental impact of disturbed forest soil, the forest should be cut down in one go, to minimize the time the soil is disturbed. If the logging machinery has to churn through the forest every month to do some more logging, you're not giving the soil any time to start regenerating.

4. Cut trees should be replaced with new ones.

To do that, you'll need to remove the cut branches and stumps, if you were planning to do that within 5-10 years or so. Also, no timeframe means the tree saplings could be planted a hundred years from now. Additionally, did you mean "one sapling per tree cut"? Because that way you'll end up with a much sparser forest, since some saplings will always die before becoming adult trees.

Also, I'm not seeing any mention of leaving upright dead trees standing, or in general leaving some trees standing, for wildlife. Is that intentional?

5. Failure to oblige with the law is to be imprisoned for two to five years (2-5) or at the discretion of the nation holding soverignity to the area.

You don't get to dictate a prison sentence (in addition to which, why prison? wouldn't "repair the damage you made" make more sense?) directly; at most you can make it a criminal offence and suggest sentence length, because all people accused of crime in WA nations, are allowed an impartial trial and appeals and proper legal defence and all that. Also, there's no discretion for the nation left, if you use WA law to mandate something.
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Postby Joshii » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:48 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC post.

Joshii wrote:Recognizes the endangered state of the environment and it's impact to all sectors

First of all, environment is not endangered everywhere, even not counting RP realities (like Araraukar, which operates on "environment first" basis). Secondly "its impact" (you have a typo there btw) is unclear what impact you mean. The impact of environment? What bad did environment ever do to you?

Is Required to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests

"Required" is an active clause word, so this must be read as an active clause. "All worlds" would by necessity include those inhabited by non-member nations. WA law can't affect non-member nations. You could get away with "all nations" as meaning only WA nations, but "all worlds" goes too far. This clause alone renders this illegal as written.

1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area

"Logging" already means that as a commonly understood meaning, so if you left "forest" out of it, you could leave out this definition. Words, when used in their dictionary definition manner, don't need to be defined.

2. A forested area is defined by the presence of diverse species, animals and plants alike covered with trees as protection

"Plants covered with trees" makes no sense as trees are plants themselves. Also "as protection"? What? Also, see above about the usual meaning of words. You don't need to define a forest.

3. It has been proven that forests absorb the carbons emitted and brings to us oxygen to live.

First of all, this is not a definition, so it shouldn't be lumped under the definitions. Also, it's partially false as only forests in a certain part of their lifecycle actually absorb more carbon than they emit. They also consume practically all the oxygen they produce. For oxygen production on the large scale, you need to look to the oceanic plankton. Also, you've left out entirely the effect forests have on the water cycle. Was that intentional?

4. The rapid deterioration of these forests have caused significant increase in carbon emission which therefore have caused severe health issues and climate change.

Also not a definition, so it shouldn't be in the definitions. Also, "rapid deterioration" likely doesn't mean what you think it means, but disturbed forest soil is the major component in making forests carbon donors (and likewise undisturbed forest soil makes then carbon absorbers), and it is possible, albeit expensive, to log without disturbing the soil. Check helicopter logging in RL.

5. The law is therefore proposed to alleviate the said issues and to rehabilitate all worlds

Again with the "all the worlds". Also, what rehabilitation? None of the clauses say anything about rehabilitating forestland, just that you have to plant trees. That's how RL monoculture economic use forests are made in the first place! Additionally "is proposed" doesn't actually do anything. You're writing a resolution, not a proposal for a debate.

6. The law is also proposed to support GA Resoultion #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

Also not a definition, "is proposed" still doesn't do anything, and this counts as a House of Cards violation, because if #291 gets repealed, your resolution has lost its purpose. You can complement a resolution without saying you're complementing (or "supporting", not that it needs any support) it.

Implementation:

What's with these subtitles? They don't help. Get rid of them.

1. Forest logging should be discouraged, especially in heavily forested areas as defined by GA Resolution #291

House of Cards violation again, plus "should" doesn't actually do anything.

2. Permission to cut down trees must be submitted to the WAFC and the state in soverignity

What the hell is WAFC? If you're using a pre-existing committee, write out its full name. And what on earth is "state in soverignity"? Also, submitting permission, rather than petition, makes it sound like the submitter is giving WAFC and the whatever the permission, rather than the other way around.

3. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20) cut in a month

As pointed out by others, this is an idiotic limit, and also if your aim is to reduce the environmental impact of disturbed forest soil, the forest should be cut down in one go, to minimize the time the soil is disturbed. If the logging machinery has to churn through the forest every month to do some more logging, you're not giving the soil any time to start regenerating.

4. Cut trees should be replaced with new ones.

To do that, you'll need to remove the cut branches and stumps, if you were planning to do that within 5-10 years or so. Also, no timeframe means the tree saplings could be planted a hundred years from now. Additionally, did you mean "one sapling per tree cut"? Because that way you'll end up with a much sparser forest, since some saplings will always die before becoming adult trees.

Also, I'm not seeing any mention of leaving upright dead trees standing, or in general leaving some trees standing, for wildlife. Is that intentional?

5. Failure to oblige with the law is to be imprisoned for two to five years (2-5) or at the discretion of the nation holding soverignity to the area.

You don't get to dictate a prison sentence (in addition to which, why prison? wouldn't "repair the damage you made" make more sense?) directly; at most you can make it a criminal offence and suggest sentence length, because all people accused of crime in WA nations, are allowed an impartial trial and appeals and proper legal defence and all that. Also, there's no discretion for the nation left, if you use WA law to mandate something.


Will take note. Thanks

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Postby Joshii » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:49 pm

Denathor wrote:"My notes are in blue, ambassador."

The General Assembly:
Acknowledges that nature is essential to the survival of all life forms, especially the citizens of the world, Change "Acknowledges" to "Acknowledging"
Acknowledges that forest logging is an important part of the economic sector but is also dangerous to the forest and its wildlife, The first part isn’t necessary true for all nations. I’d change "is an important part" to "can be an important part." Also change "Acknowledges" to "Further acknowledging"
Recognizes the endangered state of the environment and it's impact to all sectors, Change "Recognizes" to "Recognizing"
Is Required to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests, Change "Is Required" to "Encouraging nations"

Add "Hereby,"


Definitions of the proposed law: Change this to "Defines"
1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area
2. A forested area is defined by the presence of diverse species, animals and plants alike covered with trees as protection Switch the order above two definitions
The ones below aren’t really definitions, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to do with them and therefore I can’t comment on them.

3. It has been proven that forests absorb the carbons emitted and brings to us oxygen to live.
4. The rapid deterioration of these forests have caused significant increase in carbon emission which therefore have caused severe health issues and climate change.
5. The law is therefore proposed to alleviate the said issues and to rehabilitate all worlds
6. The law is also proposed to support GA Resoultion #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

Implementation:
1. Forest logging should be discouraged, especially in heavily forested areas as defined by GA Resolution #291 I can't seem to find a definition of "heavily forested areas" in #291. Are you sure there is one?
2. Permission to cut down trees must be submitted to the WAFC and the state in soverignity This appears to partially be a duplication of clause 3 of Res #291
3. If ever permitted, it shall only allow one to twenty trees (1-20) cut in a month This is an incredibly low number. Expect heavy opposition if you don’t raise it
4. Cut trees should be replaced with new ones. "Should" implies optionality. Is this your intention?
5. Failure to oblige with the law is to be imprisoned for two to five years (2-5) or at the discretion of the nation holding soverignity to the area.


OOC: There’s a lot of work to do on this, but if you want to continue with it, I’d recommend looking over the formatting codes, specifically the section on lists, which will help you with making this a bit neater.


Thanks for the advice

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Postby Joshii » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:17 am

Fellow delegates, if you have more ideas for this proposal you can share it here and I will take it into consideration. Thanks

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Postby Araraukar » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:08 pm

Joshii wrote:Fellow delegates, if you have more ideas for this proposal you can share it here and I will take it into consideration. Thanks

OOC: First apply the already given advice. There's no point in others just repeating what has already been said.
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Postby Joshii » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:55 am

Araraukar wrote:
Joshii wrote:Fellow delegates, if you have more ideas for this proposal you can share it here and I will take it into consideration. Thanks

OOC: First apply the already given advice. There's no point in others just repeating what has already been said.

I will apply them as soon as I have time. In the meantime, maybe there are things ya'll wanna add or take away

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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:11 am

OOC: 3,000,000 square km? I'd like to point out that China's IRL size in square km is almost 9.6 million. You're encouraging nations to create a Protected Forest Zone that might be larger than their entire nation. I know it's an encouraging clause only, but when a bunch of nations can't even remotely carry this out due to lacking the amount of land necessary, it sounds like a rather strange amount.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:09 am

100-200 trees per year. 3MILLION sq km which virtually nobody can enter. That is ludicrous, and shows a fundamental and simplistic lack of knowledge about the logging industry, the uses of timber, and land management. This whole thing is a train wreck chock full of ill thought out and naive numbers arbitrarily pulled out of nowhere.

That is about as constructive as I can get.
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Postby Denathor » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:21 am

OOC: Some quick notes based on the recent edit.

Defines the following:
1. Forest logging refers to the cutting down of trees in a forested area
2. A forest is a complex ecosystem consisting mainly of trees that buffer the earth and support a myriad of life forms.

As Ara has mentioned, these definitions are useless. People know what forests and logging are, so I’d just remove these.

c.) GA Resolution #291 or the "Sustainable Forest Management Act"

You can’t reference other GA resolutions unless you’re citing them in a repeal. So you’ll have to remove this line.

2. The process in passing a permission to cut down trees as stated in GA Resolution #291 must be strictly followed

As above.

Encouraging the members of the World Assembly to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests.

I would change "to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests" to "to take measures to rehabilitate their lands and ensure their prosperity by means of saving forests," or something similar. "All nations" might seem like you’re trying to legislation non-WA members, which is against the rules.

Further encouraging the members to set a Protected Forest Zone or PFZ where:
a.) it shall not be less than three million per square kilometer (3,000,000km2)

As mentioned, this is incredibly large. It would probably be a better idea to have this as a ratio of forested area in a nation. For example: "it shall not be less than 30% of the area of a nation covered by forest."

Also, replace the periods with commas. Resolutions are essentially supposed to be written as one big sentence.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:33 am

Denathor wrote:I would change "to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests" to "to take measures to rehabilitate their lands and ensure their prosperity by means of saving forests," or something similar. "All nations" might seem like you’re trying to legislation non-WA members, which is against the rules.

OOC: It's the "all worlds" that creates the issue with non-WA nations, not the "all nations". "All nations" is allowed if you DON'T also use "member nations". But "all worlds" means all worlds, whether or not they have member nations in/on them.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:40 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:100-200 trees per year. 3MILLION sq km which virtually nobody can enter. That is ludicrous, and shows a fundamental and simplistic lack of knowledge about the logging industry, the uses of timber, and land management. This whole thing is a train wreck chock full of ill thought out and naive numbers arbitrarily pulled out of nowhere.

That is about as constructive as I can get.


I am hugely in-favor of environmental legislation, and deliberately inhabit a region that is heavily focused on such things, but I still agree entirely with Grays Harbor here. This legislation is not based in anything resembling reality, or an understanding of actual resource management techniques. The specific numbers chosen, and the one-size-fits-all approach attempted, both represent a pretty severe misunderstanding of how this sort of thing should be handled.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:21 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Denathor wrote:I would change "to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds and to ensure the prosperity of all nations by means of saving forests" to "to take measures to rehabilitate their lands and ensure their prosperity by means of saving forests," or something similar. "All nations" might seem like you’re trying to legislation non-WA members, which is against the rules.

OOC: It's the "all worlds" that creates the issue with non-WA nations, not the "all nations". "All nations" is allowed if you DON'T also use "member nations". But "all worlds" means all worlds, whether or not they have member nations in/on them.

Encouragingthe members of the World Assembly to take measures to rehabilitate all worlds

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