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Re: The Smiling Bomber Hypothetical

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Which wire do you cut?

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Blue (As Justified by Option 2)
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Blue (As Justified by Option 3)
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Red or Blue (depending on the coin)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:30 am

Please consider the following hypothetical which will require you to make inferences regarding human psychology and nature:

The scenario takes place in a dystopia steampunk version of the United Kingdom.

You are a famous magical detective serving the Alliance government. Years ago, you were tasked with investigating the serial bomber, called the Smiling Bomber. The Smiling Bomber is the main terrorist working for a group of freedom fighters known as the Holstadt Liberation Army.

The Smiling Bomber was a former MI6 agent who felt betrayed by his government when doing some black ops missions in the former British colonies in Africa. The Smiling Bomber targeted schools, hospitals, and government buildings until he was stopped.

You were eventually able to figure out his true identity and lead a task force that put an end to his reign of terror after a drawn out magical duel over a series of zeppelins and throughout an abandoned factory.

The Smiling Bomber was given life without possibility of parole and thrown into the Glass Box System.

4 years later... a copycat to the Smiling Bomber emerges. This copycat also wears the same mask and uses the same type of highly revolutionary magical explosives used by the Smiling Bomber. The new killer is about to blow up an entire hospital; he has escaped before leaving the ticking magical bomb there.

While the Smiling Bomber focused his terrorism against continental Europe, this new Copycat targeted mostly British Isles targets.

The English Queen's daughter is in the building on life support and cannot be evacuated.

The British forces are unable to safely defuse the bomb; they conclude that only the Smiling Bomber knows the incantation and magical procedure to shut it down. They conclude that they must evacuate whoever they can in time, and then leave the hospital to be bombed (even in the best case scenario, several dozens to maybe a hundred will die).

However, due to the daughter being in there, the Queen intercedes. The Queen makes a deal with the Smiling Bomber, if the former terrorist helps her defuse the bomb their life sentence will be reduced to seven years effective immediately.

The Queen tells you to handle the bomb disposal from a safe distance.

While the Smiling Bomber (guarded by MPs) is next to you he gives you instructions on how to defuse the magical bomb.

To make sure you are safe from the possibility of explosion, you conduct this Bomb Defusion Operation from the safety of Buckingham Palace. You use advanced Aastral projection to send a semi-material form of yourself (controlled by your mind) into the hospital grounds to deal with the bomb.

Once your Aastral form gets there, the Smiling Killer gives you a bunch of instructions which you carry out. Using incantations, most of the magical properties of the bomb are defused. Then he tells you that to finalise the whole thing, you only have to cut the Red Wire.

At this moment, you second-guess his intentions.

With the timer counting down...

The Smiling Bomber tells you to hurry up or everyone will die. "CUT THE RED WIRE NOW!"

Which wire do you cut? Why? Please answer based on your understanding of human nature.

Your options:

1. Humans are fundamentally self-interested. This includes the Smiling Bomber (more likely than not). His sentence was reduced to 7 more years, there's NO WAY he'd throw this away just to troll you/harm some innocents. Even if he wanted to bomb more people in the long run, it would make more sense for him to earn the reduced parole, wait 10 years, then start bombing once he was out. Either way, there's no way he would lie. I listen to him and cut the Red.

2. I don't trust him. Some men just want to watch the world burn and they cannot resist. I understand the Smiling Killer to be amongst this type. Therefore, I'm not listening to him. I'm cutting the Blue.

3. I don't trust him. However, he knew that I wouldn't trust him and that I'd err towards Blue, so I stick to his instruction of cutting Red in the hopes of breaking a double think.

4. I... err... human nature... hmmmm it's too hard to read. You know what? I'm going to just flip a coin. Heads for Red, tails for Blue. I can't deal with this any other way. (Assume there is enough time to settle a coin flip)


I would go with Option 1. My understanding is that no one wants to spend a Life Sentence when they can do seven years and be free. There's a risk that he wants revenge and is messing with my mind but for a Life Sentence? It wouldn't be worth it right?

More or less this is generalisable to most of humanity in more than 80% of cases. This is my understanding.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:The English Queen's daughter is in the building on life support and cannot be evacuated.

No, there has been no Queen of England since the very early 1700's.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:20 am

Why is a detective defusing a bomb?
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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:27 am

Ifreann wrote:Why is a detective defusing a bomb?

This. Where the fuck is the bomb squad?

But I guess cut the red wire. Don’t really have much of a choice and he apparently already gave me the info needed to defuse parts of the bomb so I guess he seems kinda trustworthy.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:50 am

Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why is a detective defusing a bomb?

This. Where the fuck is the bomb squad?

But I guess cut the red wire. Don’t really have much of a choice and he apparently already gave me the info needed to defuse parts of the bomb so I guess he seems kinda trustworthy.

Indeed.

Though, I'm wondering. Holstadt Liberation Army.......is England in this premise own a portion of Germany or something?
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:09 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Andsed wrote:This. Where the fuck is the bomb squad?

But I guess cut the red wire. Don’t really have much of a choice and he apparently already gave me the info needed to defuse parts of the bomb so I guess he seems kinda trustworthy.

Indeed.

Though, I'm wondering. Holstadt Liberation Army.......is England in this premise own a portion of Germany or something?

I believe Holstadt refers to IM's genderbent self insert super mage character that keeps popping up in his hypotheticals.

Hard to tell, I've long since lost the required patience to get through one of these OP's.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:13 am

Execute Order 1776. I deliberately detonate the bomb.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:19 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:You use advanced Aastral projection to send a semi-material form of yourself (controlled by your mind) into the hospital grounds local gay bar to deal with the bomb "need".

Fixed.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:20 am

Option 5, meme on the queen's daughter and let it go boom.

That's what you get for being in an IM thread

Also, I literally do not have enough time to flip a coin. smh, op
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Postby Nolo gap » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:32 am

why not just teleport the device somewhere that blowing up would be more useful then harmful?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:34 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:You use advanced Aastral projection to send a semi-material form of yourself (controlled by your mind) into the hospital grounds local gay bar to deal with the bomb "need".

Fixed.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Fixed.

"This is a very delicate operation" I say while my astral body tries to carry three pints back to my table.

Wicked astral skills bro...

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Postby Heloin » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:52 am

Tell the queen that the bomb has been defused and that she should visit her daughter right now. Never allow the other bomber near the hospital. Having taken care of the queen and her heir begin workers revolution and overthrow the other monarchs or Europe.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:58 am

Heloin wrote:Tell the queen that the bomb has been defused and that she should visit her daughter right now. Never allow the other bomber near the hospital. Having taken care of the queen and her heir begin workers revolution and overthrow the other monarchs or Europe.

This is the only sensible option
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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:42 am

Heloin wrote:Tell the queen that the bomb has been defused and that she should visit her daughter right now. Never allow the other bomber near the hospital. Having taken care of the queen and her heir begin workers revolution and overthrow the other monarchs or Europe.

And once we do that we should establish an actual fucking bomb squad trained to deal with these kinds of bombs so that in the future we don't need to rely on terrorists and magical "detectives" who seemingly have no training on defusing bombs.
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Andsed wrote:
Heloin wrote:Tell the queen that the bomb has been defused and that she should visit her daughter right now. Never allow the other bomber near the hospital. Having taken care of the queen and her heir begin workers revolution and overthrow the other monarchs or Europe.

And once we do that we should establish an actual fucking bomb squad trained to deal with these kinds of bombs so that in the future we don't need to rely on terrorists and magical "detectives" who seemingly have no training on defusing bombs.

The workers paradise will have better policing and counter-terrorism units then the monarchy.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:00 pm

Oooo

Red wire is leading in the polls

It appears that the majority believe that self interest and rationality will overcome all

Me too
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:02 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Andsed wrote:This. Where the fuck is the bomb squad?

But I guess cut the red wire. Don’t really have much of a choice and he apparently already gave me the info needed to defuse parts of the bomb so I guess he seems kinda trustworthy.

Indeed.

Though, I'm wondering. Holstadt Liberation Army.......is England in this premise own a portion of Germany or something?


It’s a reference to the Witch Queen Annie Holstadt (a magical Queen of Europe from hundreds of years ago). This is an oppressed magical minority terrorist group.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:07 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Oooo

Red wire is leading in the polls

It appears that the majority believe that self interest and rationality will overcome all

Me too

Most folk in the thread aren't even thinking of cutting wires tbh...
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The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Oooo

Red wire is leading in the polls

It appears that the majority believe that self interest and rationality will overcome all

Me too

Most folk in the thread aren't even thinking of cutting wires tbh...


Do you think the bomber is telling you the truth?

What do you infer based on general human nature and based on his specific history and profile?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:16 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Most folk in the thread aren't even thinking of cutting wires tbh...


Do you think the bomber is telling you the truth?

What do you infer based on general human nature and based on his specific history and profile?

Since I have astralprojected myself into a gay bar I don't think I'm thinking about the bomber.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:22 pm

Heloin wrote:
Andsed wrote:And once we do that we should establish an actual fucking bomb squad trained to deal with these kinds of bombs so that in the future we don't need to rely on terrorists and magical "detectives" who seemingly have no training on defusing bombs.

The workers paradise will have better policing and counter-terrorism units then the monarchy.

Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Indeed.

Though, I'm wondering. Holstadt Liberation Army.......is England in this premise own a portion of Germany or something?


It’s a reference to the Witch Queen Annie Holstadt (a magical Queen of Europe from hundreds of years ago). This is an oppressed magical minority terrorist group.

It is a shame that her legacy lives on. Is this the RL world reference to neo-nazis?

Why is the option limited? This is magic isn't? Or is the detective a low-tier mage?
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