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Postby Noahs Second Country » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:30 pm

Second draft: I took the advice given and turned the issue into a question of responsibility. It definitely still needs some work but it's an improvement imo.

Edit: Added a [slightly] better effect line for option 4. I will make some more changes later.

[desc] A recent survey suggested that more than half of @@COUNTRY@@'s teenagers have accessed websites designated for 18+ users only. Since the survey's publication, many fingers have been pointed, culminating to yet another surprise meeting in your office.

[option 1] "It's an epidemic!" shouts concerned mother of 5, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Time and time again we are shown that technology only promotes disgusting, dangerous acts. Children under 18 should not be allowed to use the internet."

[effect] Adulthood begins with the creation of an email account

[option 2]"I agree, but let's first establish that it was the kids that did this," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, owner of hamstervideos.com, while pointing at the site's terms and conditions. "Upon accessing our site, they first had to confirm they were 18 or older! I never thought that they would ever lie about it, especially on the internet! The children need to be more aware of the consequences of their actions. Surely an investment in better sex education and safe internet use is needed here."

[effect]"Proper Incognito Habits 101" is the name of the latest sixth grade sex ed program.

[option 3]"Okay, but what about the parents that allowed this clear breach of the law under their own roofs?" asks pseudo-lawyer @@RANDOMNAME@@, who also happens to be your campaign adviser. "The parents who facilitate this kind of behavior and shall be held legally responsible. After all, @@LEADER@@, one of your political opponents has 6 kids."

[effect]Unruly children visit adult websites when angry with their parents.

[option 4]"The root of this problem is the accessibility of these websites," claims your IT support technician, as he restarts your computer for the third time today. "Why not implement internet-wide filters for 18+ websites? Only users who have verified their age to the government through their ID and other documents may get past these barriers. Plus, with all these registered internet users, we can finally hunt down the crazy people on that 5chin website."

[effect]Students photocopy fake IDs in school when the teachers aren't looking



[validity] Must have internet, low authoritarianism

[desc] A recent survey revealed that more than half of @@COUNTRY@@'s teenagers have viewed pornographic content within the past week. Following the survey's publication, outraged adults and incognito mode users alike have called for action.

[option 1] "It's an epidemic!" shouts concerned mother of 5, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Time and time again we are shown that technology only promotes disgusting, dangerous acts. Children under 18 should not be allowed to use the internet."

[effect] Adulthood begins with the creation of an email account.

[option 2] "This behavior is to be expected from confused teenagers who are trying to figure out their sexuality," claims psychologist @@RANDOMNAME@@, while dealing with yet another virus on their child's computer. "Part of it is due to the lack of education children receive in schools. If we can invest in better, earlier sex ed, we can promote safe habits before it's too late."

[effect] "Proper Incognito Habits 101" is the name of the latest sixth grade sex ed program.

[option 3] "I don't see why it's illegal in the first place," claims middle aged @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Back in my day it was the same way, just with magazines and clothing advertisements. Some people need ways to find happiness in these trying times. We should fully legalize all forms of consensual pornographic content. I'm sure that most of these teenagers will turn out just fine."

[effect] 12 years olds are often found hanging out in the back of the local adult film store.


I haven't done this in a while and I'm not sure if this issue is too 'inappropriate' for most users but I know at least a few issues mention porn so hopefully this is okay... I'd appreciate any feedback, thanks.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:12 am

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Postby Pangurstan » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:58 pm

Issue #323 already talks a little bit about online age restrictions.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:03 am

There's a reasonable premise here, but that's as far as you've got.

I suggest trying to add more story, character and meat to this issue.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:42 pm

Pangurstan wrote:Issue #323 already talks a little bit about online age restrictions.

I was not aware of this issue. I'll keep it in mind to try to prevent significant overlap.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:There's a reasonable premise here, but that's as far as you've got.

I suggest trying to add more story, character and meat to this issue.

Will do.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:21 pm

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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:22 am

Australian rePublic wrote:VPNs

OK Aussie, using a VPN or Tor can easily get you around any country-wide bans or anything. But nowhere does this state that a country-wide block on pornographic websites should be instituted.
  1. Presumably, the "children under 18 ban" would be implemented physically, in that children cannot use internet-connected devices ever. Otherwise, if they're on the internet past the ban, a VPN wouldn't allow them to access anything they couldn't already.
  2. Educate the kids, don't ban or block stuff
  3. Let them do it anyway
If there was another option saying "Let's just ban all porn", VPNs would be relevant. As the issue currently stands, there's no need to even mention them.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:55 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:VPNs

OK Aussie, using a VPN or Tor can easily get you around any country-wide bans or anything. But nowhere does this state that a country-wide block on pornographic websites should be instituted.
  1. Presumably, the "children under 18 ban" would be implemented physically, in that children cannot use internet-connected devices ever. Otherwise, if they're on the internet past the ban, a VPN wouldn't allow them to access anything they couldn't already.
  2. Educate the kids, don't ban or block stuff
  3. Let them do it anyway
If there was another option saying "Let's just ban all porn", VPNs would be relevant. As the issue currently stands, there's no need to even mention them.

Children connected to the internet can also use VPNs. Or lie about their age. Or, if they can't lie about their age, they can use VPNs
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Postby Apabeossie » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:47 pm

I don't think there's a serious overlap between this one and #323, as #323 talks about social media and this talk about 18+ sites.
I would suggest adding an option about blocking teens from adult content without banning them from the internet, and possibly one also banning the internet and/or porn.
And also the minor things, I personally think that half of all teenagers viewing adult content is too high, and I also suggest changing "pornographic content" to "adult content".
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:01 pm

The idea of an issue that addresses pornography is a good premise, but I don't like where you've taken this. A good number of issues make reference to porn, but none ask you directly of your position of it.

Concern about young people's use of porn is a good jumping off point for introducing the topic, but you seem to have the issue about minors using the Internet in general. As Pangurstan said, we already have an issue about this. For this reason, I think it would be better if the issue was expanded to be about porn in general.
Also, I find it odd that the issues assumes porn is illegal by default.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:58 am

I think it's a decent concept, but maybe you need to focus specifically on the problem of minors accessing sites that declare themselves to be 18+ only, simply by clicking an "I am over 18" button. The responses could then be about who is responsible for this: the children (so more education needed about responsible internet use and obeying the rule of law), the parents (so make 'em criminally liable for their unsupervised children's false legal statements of age), the websites (so require them to verify age properly by taking and confirming ID details), or the internet in general for giving access to porn (so ban it).

That to me would be a more directed approach.
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:56 pm

I like your idea, CWA.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:26 am

Apabeossie wrote:I personally think that half of all teenagers viewing adult content is too high, and I also suggest changing "pornographic content" to "adult content".

I didn't think that either but this article changed my mind.

Also, I wrote up a quick second draft.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:35 am

Australia is a particularly porn-heavy country, probably because of liberal attitudes towards sex and high internet penetration. I don't think 'more than half' can necessarily be taken for granted. Think about if your issue might need some validities to reflect the "more than half" figure, or if the "more than half" figure is even necessary? Substitute it out for some other marker of significance, perhaps.

Also, moving towards age filters as a topic is a good step. The overall option structure seems pretty good right now.

The flavour in option 3, the portion between the dialogue, really needs to be reworked. It's very generic and more could be done with the handcuffs.

Also see if you can find a better [effect] for option 4; it's a bit too matter-of-fact. Move from that statement of site visits dropping by 80% to an effect line that is more a meaningful observation of the figure's impact, if you can.
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Postby Baggieland » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:31 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:Also see if you can find a better [effect] for option 4; it's a bit too matter-of-fact. Move from that statement of site visits dropping by 80% to an effect line that is more a meaningful observation of the figure's impact, if you can.


Something about fake IDs being sold at schools?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:30 am

I think "more than half" is fine, but I'd change "revealed" to "suggested", to make it clear that a survey is not necessarily a true indication of the state of affairs in a nation.
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