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Postby Baggieland » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:45 pm

As we know, the Great British pub is on its death-bed, a combination of newer trendy bars plus high taxes on alcohol means that pubs across the nation are shutting down. Then I saw this article...

https://news.sky.com/story/historic-cardiff-pub-to-be-rebuilt-at-museum-as-it-was-in-1915-11914232

...and I was amazed that the pub, something I grew up with, is now nothing more than a museum piece.

Also, most of the alcohol related issues already in NS tend to have the pro-alcohol speaker as a drunk who's pissed off his face at 10 o'clock in the morning, so I wanted to do something different to that.

[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, the last remaining pub in @@CAPITAL@@ city centre has poured its last pint and shut down. The building was demolished and then rebuilt, brick-by-brick, inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. You have been invited to the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly, not metric

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Now it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. @@LEADER@@, please help bring back the pub to our neighbourhoods. Maybe you could slash the taxes on alcohol, so ordinary folk can afford to drink out again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar-nightclub-cafe-resto in @@CAPITAL@@, as the frame of @@HIS@@ glasses flashes lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Young people want music, dance and food with their cocktails. I suggest you ease the regulations on alcohol permits, so more clubs like mine can open up. If those traditionalists want a... what is it they drink... beer? They can buy a tin from the supermarket."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own beer or mix their own cocktails at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties


[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, an iconic pub that has stood in the centre of @@CAPITAL@@ for over a century has poured its last pint and shut down. The building was demolished, brick-by-brick, and then rebuilt inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. With the number of pubs closing down at an ever increasing rate across the nation, you have been invited to listen to those in the industry at the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly, not metric

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Because of trendy new bars and high taxes on alcohol, it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve the remaining pubs in @@NAME@@ by slashing the taxes on alcohol, so ordinary folk can afford to drink at their local again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar-nightclub-cafe-resto in @@CAPITAL@@, as the frame of @@HIS@@ glasses flashes lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Young people want music, dance and food with their drinks. I suggest you ease the regulations on renovating historic buildings, so that more pubs can be upgraded to clubs like mine."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own drinks at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties


[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, an iconic pub that has stood in the centre of @@CAPITAL@@ for over a century has poured its last drink and shut down. The building was demolished, brick-by-brick, and then rebuilt inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. With the number of pubs closing down at an ever increasing rate across the nation, you have been invited to listen to those in the industry at the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Because of the cost of alcohol and young people's preference for trendy new bars, it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve the remaining pubs in @@NAME@@ by giving government subsidies to them, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar-nightclub-cafe-resto in @@CAPITAL@@, as the frame of @@HIS@@ glasses flashes lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Young people want music, dance and food with their drinks. I suggest you ease the regulations on renovating historic buildings, so that more pubs can be upgraded to clubs like mine."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "Pubs just need to diversify in order to remain competitive," posits @@RANDOMNAME@@, a business analyst, who is here to oversee the museum's exhibits. "The government could offer free business training to the landlords of failing pubs -- help them to modify their establishments to the needs of their local communities. A lot of elderly people nearby? Host bingo nights. Next to a university? Install a library and have a study corner. This way the locals will come pouring back to their local public houses."

[EFFECT] the police often break-up fights between pensioners and students

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own drinks at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties


[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, an iconic pub that has stood in the centre of @@CAPITAL@@ for over a century has poured its last drink and shut down. The building was demolished, brick-by-brick, and then rebuilt inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. With the number of pubs closing down at an ever increasing rate across the nation, you have been invited to listen to those in the industry at the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Because of the cost of alcohol and young people's preference for trendy new bars, it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve the remaining pubs in @@NAME@@ by giving government subsidies to them, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar & nightclub in @@CAPITAL@@, as the frame of @@HIS@@ glasses flashes lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Pubs must diversify in order to remain competitive. The government needs to offer free business training to the landlords of failing pubs, help them to modify their establishments to the needs of their local communities. A lot of elderly nearby? Host bingo nights. Next to a university? Install a library and have a study corner. City centre location? Offer music and dance. This way the locals will come pouring back to their local public houses."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own drinks at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties


[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, an iconic pub that has stood in the centre of @@CAPITAL@@ for over a century has poured its last drink and shut down. The building was demolished, brick-by-brick, and then rebuilt inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. With the number of pubs closing down at an ever increasing rate across the nation, you have been invited to listen to those in the industry at the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together after a hard day's work. Because of the cost of alcohol many people just buy their drinks from the supermarket, and now the pub is nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve them by reducing the business rates and make booze as cheap as it is in supermarkets, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar & nightclub in @@CAPITAL@@, as @@HIS@@ glasses flash lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Pubs must diversify in order to remain competitive. The government needs to offer free business training to landlords of failing pubs, help them to modify their establishments to the needs of their local communities. A lot of elderly nearby? Host bingo nights. Next to a university? Install a library and have a study corner. City centre location? Offer music and dance. This way the locals will come pouring back to their local public houses."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own drinks at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties


[TITLE] Last Orders Please

[DESCRIPTION] The Village Bells, an iconic pub that has stood in the centre of @@CAPITAL@@ for over a century has poured its last drink and shut down. The building was demolished, brick-by-brick, and then rebuilt inside @@CAPITAL@@ Museum. With the number of pubs closing down at an ever increasing rate across the nation, you have been invited to listen to those in the industry at the unveiling of the museum's latest exhibit.

[VALIDITY] allows alcohol, capitalist, allows elderly

[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and have a civilised chat after a hard day's work. Not having to try and shout over the music that blasts out in all these new bars and clubs. Also, pubs open in the afternoon, providing a friendly place for people to pop into as they go about their lives. But now the pub is becoming nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve them by reducing the business rates, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."

[EFFECT] babies learn to pub-crawl before they can crawl

[OPTION] "Get with the times," retorts @@RANDOMNAME@@, the manager of Inside Joy, the newest bar & nightclub in @@CAPITAL@@, as @@HIS@@ glasses flash lurid Day-Glo colours repeatedly. "No one wants to just sit around with a drink and chat with some old-timers about the 'good ol' days'. Pubs must diversify in order to remain competitive. The government needs to offer free business training to landlords of failing pubs, help them to modify their establishments to the needs of their local communities. A lot of elderly nearby? Host bingo nights. Next to a university? Install a library and have a study corner. City centre location? Offer music and dance. This way the locals will come pouring back to their local public houses."

[EFFECT] sunglasses are an essential part of night-time wear

[OPTION] "I have a well-oiled solution for everyone," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the CEO of 'HomeBrewKits4U', as @@HE@@ pours a whole bag of sugar into the tea @@HE@@'s drinking. "The brick-and-mortar establishments in the city centre would be better suited to housing offices, malls, hospitals and places like that. Let everyone brew their own drinks at home. Then no one needs to worry about the kind of drinking spot they frequent, and can enjoy their tipple in the comfort of their own houses. A little government help for my business and I can start turning out those kits for every @@DEMONYMNOUN@@."

[EFFECT] students complain about the noise from their elderly neighbours' parties
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:49 pm

Why in the fudge was the pub torn down?
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Postby Baggieland » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:35 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Why in the fudge was the pub torn down?


It went out of business.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:06 pm

Baggieland wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Why in the fudge was the pub torn down?


It went out of business.

State that. Either way, why tear it down? Sell the bloody business. That's what's most likely to happen in this situation
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:44 am

Seems a stretch to me to have the last pub in a city centre be torn down. Pubs may be a dying breed, but they're nowhere near their last one. In London, for example, the number of pubs has gone down in the last 20 years from around 4800 to around 3500. That's a big drop, but there's been an increase in other establishments that sell alcohol to compensate for that.

Also worth noting that many cities have negligible numbers of pubs, but large numbers of bars. NYC has around twice the number of places licensed to serve alcohol as London does, but they mostly call themselves bars and restaurants.

I think this issue might be a combination of being too parochial and too exaggerated, personally.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:05 am

That, plus in Australia, every town has a pub. It's the focal point of the city. I once went through a town that had a pub and a real estate agent. That's literaly all it was. Just a pub and a real estate agency. No houses or notin'. Just the pub and real estate agent. The pub was thriving. I don't think we could find a spot there. Even in the big cities, there's at least a pub in every suburb, with many suburbs having multiple pubs. Even the very Muslim suburbs have pubs, and they're far from going out of business
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:12 am

Also, there's no reason why pubs can't be quasi-night clubs. There are many here in Australia
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Postby Baggieland » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:31 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Seems a stretch to me to have the last pub in a city centre be torn down. Pubs may be a dying breed, but they're nowhere near their last one. In London, for example, the number of pubs has gone down in the last 20 years from around 4800 to around 3500. That's a big drop, but there's been an increase in other establishments that sell alcohol to compensate for that.

I've changed it from 'last pub' to 'an increasing rate of closures'.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I think this issue might be a combination of being too parochial and too exaggerated, personally.

True, but there are plenty of NS issues like that. :)

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Also worth noting that many cities have negligible numbers of pubs, but large numbers of bars. NYC has around twice the number of places licensed to serve alcohol as London does, but they mostly call themselves bars and restaurants.

Australian rePublic wrote:That, plus in Australia, every town has a pub. It's the focal point of the city. I once went through a town that had a pub and a real estate agent. That's literaly all it was. Just a pub and a real estate agency. No houses or notin'. Just the pub and real estate agent. The pub was thriving. I don't think we could find a spot there. Even in the big cities, there's at least a pub in every suburb, with many suburbs having multiple pubs. Even the very Muslim suburbs have pubs, and they're far from going out of business

I am aware that the Australian pub and the American bar are not facing the same problem as the British pub. So, is this a British-centered issue? Yes, very much so. The players will decide for themselves whether or not this is happening in their nation, and they can choose the dismiss button if they think it's not. However, some players might pretend that it is happening just to play the game, and others might answer it if they think it might improve certain stats. It is similar to Candle's offering 'A Question of Pride'. There aren't wild lions in Baggieland, but I might just answer it anyway. Also as Aussie pointed out, Scandinavian countries don't have lions, they have polar bears.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:53 am

Maybe diversify out of pubs and into something else broader
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:55 am

Also, why does @@LEADER@@ care?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:01 am

I admit, that as someone who is British it feels nicely familiar to me as an issue and is something that would make sense to me as a presented issue.
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Postby Baggieland » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:35 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Maybe diversify out of pubs and into something else broader

Such as?

Australian rePublic wrote:Also, why does @@LEADER@@ care?

Affected industry bosses are asking LEADER to care. As is the basis of many an issue.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Baggieland wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Maybe diversify out of pubs and into something else broader

Such as?

As said earlier, quasi-nightclubs. Also, a concert venue, a place of refuge for travellers who need food and toilet breaks (this is what a lot of people in Australia use pubs for, especially in regional areas), pub gigs, places for tourists to hang out. It's not leader's job to tell people what to do with their businesses. Nor is it leader's job to know how the hospitality industry works. What leader could do is offer free buisiness training to help pubs diversify. I know how the hospitality industry works because I've studied it, but I am not a politician, and even if I were, I'd be a very rare neiche

Australian rePublic wrote:Also, why does @@LEADER@@ care?

Affected industry bosses are asking LEADER to care. As is the basis of many an issue.

Right, right carry on. Though, you might want to make that a bit clearer
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:08 pm

Wait, why non-metric?

Also, who said there's high taxes on alcohol? That's a player autonomy sin, and there could be numerous reasons why pubs fail beside booze tax. Also, many people go to the pub to play to pokies rather than drink. I think you're trying too hard to be UK-centric at the sacrafice of diversity. Being XYZ centric is okay (I myself have a couple of Australia-centric issues published (575, 762) and have tried to draft a couple Greek-centric issues, "Attack of the Flying Saucers") which is okay if it makes for a good story line that could still apply to everyone else. But British-centric for the sake of being British-centric isn't a good idea in my opinion. Break down a few assumptions (e.g. grog tax), be a bit more generalised and it would be more universally applicable

And even then, the UK still uses the metric system.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:32 am

Australian rePublic wrote:And even then, the UK still uses the metric system.

Try going into a pub in the UK and asking for a 568 milliletres of bitter.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:19 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:And even then, the UK still uses the metric system.

Try going into a pub in the UK and asking for a 568 milliletres of bitter.

Ha. Try going into a pub in Australia and asking for 568 mL of bitter. We still have pints, scooners, etc. for drinks. That and TV/computer screens are literally the only things we still use imperial units. In fact, I'm not even sure if you could order drinks in metric. Ask for half a litre, you'll probably get a pint. Your speed in your car- metric, your distances, metric. If someone told you that you have 6 miles to go, no one would know what you're talking about. If someone told you you have 10 km to go, on the other hand, it's more universally understood. If you tell someone that something weighs 200 pounds, they'll have a vague idea that's it heavy without knowing exactly. However, if you said it weighed 91 kg, then everyone knows what you're talking about.

When I used to work at a bar and we only had scooners and middies, two of the most popular sizes in this country. Not half litres, not litres, pints and middies. Glass sizes will probably never change despite the fact that we went metric decades ago. You might get a few older people who grew up pre-metric and use imperial units every now and then, but even then, most use metric most of the time. And yet everyone uses pints and middies, even the youngest people who grew up post-metrification. I was born like 20/30 years post-metrification, and I've never poured a metric drink. Nor have I ever ordered a metric drink at a pub. Only scooners and middies. When I first heard of metric beers in George Orwell's "1984", the concept was so foreign to me, I'd never considered it, and I've studyied the hospitality industry. (Talking about glasses here, not cans, not bottles)

And in either case, this is an unneccasery detail that could be ommited in order to make it applicable, and an example of what I meant by overly British for the sake of being overly British
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:53 pm

Don't people usually order drinks by "as much as you can fit in this mug", anyway?

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:52 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Don't people usually order drinks by "as much as you can fit in this mug", anyway?

Yep. It's a matter of how large the mug is
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Postby Baggieland » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:28 pm

Thanks to everyone for your input.

Pints, metric validity and high taxes have all gone.

A new option about diversifying pubs has now been added.

P.S. I'm not happy with the new option's speaker's character, nor the effect line. Suggestions will be gratefully received.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:46 pm

Option 2- wait? Pubs in the UK don't serve food? There's ya' problem. Most of the time I visit a pub, I'm after a nice hot meal, and pub food is amongst the best you can get in this country. I hardly ever drink at a pub, I mostly visit to eat. Surely, I'm not the only one. Sure, sitting around getting drinking might not be popular any more, but resturants and cafes are. Pubs in this country also have excellent coffee. Also, I feel as if options 2 & 3 would work well as a single option. Becoming a quasi-night club would be just one of many option. I mean option 2 basically forces pubs to become night clubs, and people should be allowed to diversify their businesses however they like (besides, I'm not sure how the neighbours would feel). Further, despite being in the night club demographic, I effing hate night clubs, and so do many other people in my age group. Can't speak for others in my age group who hate night clubs, but the noise alone would scare me away. I've never been to a night club in my life, and I'm not the only one who hasn't I've stood outside a few night clubs and had no interest in going inside. I've been to a nught-clubesque house party and hated it. I've also been to a night-clubesque pub, and the noise drove me balastic. I also a middle aged man there. Becoming a quasi-night club is one of many, many diversification options.

I would suggest merging options 2&3 (with becoming quasi night clubs as one of the doversification options) and having a new option that allows pokies in pubs
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Baggieland wrote:As we know, the Great British pub is on its death-bed

As we know? I didn't know that. In fact, when I first read that, I thought that the Great British pub was the name of a spacific pub. This, plus the way that the issue was originally worded lead me to believe that you were refering to one specific pub
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Australian rePublic wrote:Option 2- wait? Pubs in the UK don't serve food?

A lot of them do.
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Postby Baggieland » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:08 pm

Okay, those two options have been merged.

I've decided to avoid the topic of food, it seems to be causing too many problems! It's not unreasonable to assume that food can bought in these establishments.

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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:18 pm

Baggieland wrote:[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Because of the cost of alcohol and young people's preference for trendy new bars, it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve the remaining pubs in @@NAME@@ by giving government subsidies to them, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."
So, umm, what really is the difference between a pub, a bar, or for that matter a tavern? And why is the speaker so adamant about wanting to go to a pub and finding those other establishments unacceptable?

Even if you can answer that, this just seems like one eccentric being upset that his tastes are no longer economically viable because very few customers share his tastes. If you do subsidize "pubs", whatever those are, then you'll likely end up with a bunch of perpetually-empty pubs catering to government inspectors as their primary clientele.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:27 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Baggieland wrote:[OPTION] "What a tragedy," exclaims @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, the former landlord of the Village Bells, whose 'real ale tastes better warm' t-shirt is adorned with a black armband. "For centuries the pub has been at the heart of @@DEMONYM@@ communities, where average folk can socialise together and unwind after a hard day's work. Because of the cost of alcohol and young people's preference for trendy new bars, it has been reduced to nothing more than a museum piece. Please help preserve the remaining pubs in @@NAME@@ by giving government subsidies to them, so ordinary folk can enjoy a drink at their local again."
So, umm, what really is the difference between a pub, a bar, or for that matter a tavern? And why is the speaker so adamant about wanting to go to a pub and finding those other establishments unacceptable?

Even if you can answer that, this just seems like one eccentric being upset that his tastes are no longer economically viable because very few customers share his tastes. If you do subsidize "pubs", whatever those are, then you'll likely end up with a bunch of perpetually-empty pubs catering to government inspectors as their primary clientele.

A bar is just that, a piece of furniture where drink servers stand behind. I've never heard of one as a standalone location, they're usually part of a larger organisation, such as a League's Club or motel. If I am not mistaking, a pub and a tavern are pretty much the same thing- i.e. drinking/dining establishments with slot machines. The difference is that pubs also offer cheap accomodation as part of the same establishment. This is from what i coile gather. I haven't been to many taverns
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