The End of Privacy as We Know It

[Cisairse]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/tech ... ition.html

Read the article. TLDR (but read the article): A company named Clearview has established itself as a private Big Brother-for-sale, and is using its own technologies to scare away reporters looking into it. The company's services are employed by many police departments nationwide, including the FBI, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and private companies.
Here's a notable excerpt (read the article for more):

But without public scrutiny, more than 600 law enforcement agencies have started using Clearview in the past year, according to the company, which declined to provide a list. The computer code underlying its app, analyzed by The New York Times, includes programming language to pair it with augmented-reality glasses; users would potentially be able to identify every person they saw. The tool could identify activists at a protest or an attractive stranger on the subway, revealing not just their names but where they lived, what they did and whom they knew.

This sounds like Watch_Dogs to me. I personally find this horrifying, and believe that the U.S. should add strong protections of personal privacy to the Constitution as soon as possible. But, I thought that after the 2013 global surveillance leaks as well, so I've been fully disspirited. What do you think NSG?

[Nakena]

That technology exists since quite a time. At the least five years.

[Aclion]

Can I use this to pretend I can actually remember people names?

[Rojava Free State]

All in the name of security...their security

[Pax Nerdvana]

Obligatory Ben Franklin quote:
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I don't like this Clearwater thing. The government and the company that made this program have gone to far.

[Novus America]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.
This might make you easier to identify but does not fundamentally change your expectations to privacy, unless used on your private property or inside your residence.

[Pax Nerdvana]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.

That's true, but strangers aren't gonna know your name, or where you live, unless you're famous.

[Rojava Free State]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.
This might make you easier to identify but does not fundamentally change your expectations to privacy, unless used on your private property or inside your residence.

Yeah but they won't know where you live or who your family and friends are

[Cisairse]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.
This might make you easier to identify but does not fundamentally change your expectations to privacy, unless used on your private property or inside your residence.

Yes, what is happening here is completely legal. That's what makes it scary. Having no expectation of privacy because you're "in public" does not equate to consent to stalking.

Not to mention that in several cases, the photos used were not taken with the person-of-interest's consent nor did the person-of-interest have legal authority to take the pictures down. The article cites someone "whose face appeared in the mirror of someone’s else gym photo." If going to a private gym now accounts to consent to stalking and profiling, the law must be changed.

[The Black Forrest]

Privacy is a concern? How many have facebook accounts?

Company said it was founded by this guy:

https://hoantonthat.com/

He may have "borrowed" ideas from China as they are very big into that. Some companies; don't have employee badges anymore.

With any tech; there is the chance for abuse and this will most likely be abused.

You can't blame the company if we don't say and do anything.....

[Novus America]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.

That's true, but strangers aren't gonna know your name, or where you live, unless you're famous.

But a police officer looking for you will. If your face is on a wanted poster you will.
I mean I see the concerns with the technology it but is not really that drastic a change.
Unless everyone starts wearing such things and they are available to everyone which is not likely. In that case it could go too far, because it could be used by criminals to commit crimes.

But this is more a issue of individual abuse than government one. The government already has your pictures, address, etc.

[Novus America]

When in public you never had privacy though. Being private and publicly protesting is a contradiction. Being involved in public protest means becoming public.

Whenever you step outside, people can and will see you.
This might make you easier to identify but does not fundamentally change your expectations to privacy, unless used on your private property or inside your residence.

Yes, what is happening here is completely legal. That's what makes it scary. Having no expectation of privacy because you're "in public" does not equate to consent to stalking.

Not to mention that in several cases, the photos used were not taken with the person-of-interest's consent nor did the person-of-interest have legal authority to take the pictures down. The article cites someone "whose face appeared in the mirror of someone’s else gym photo." If going to a private gym now accounts to consent to stalking and profiling, the law must be changed.

Well certainly individuals could use this for criminal purposes, but that is the real issue here.
But still you cannot be private in public.

[Cisairse]

That's true, but strangers aren't gonna know your name, or where you live, unless you're famous.

But a police officer looking for you will. If your face is on a wanted poster you will.
I mean I see the concerns with the technology it but is not really that drastic a change.
Unless everyone starts wearing such things and they are available to everyone which is not likely. In that case it could go to far, because it could be used by criminals to commit crimes.

But this is more a issue of individual abuse than government one. The government already has your pictures, address, etc.

This technology is not only being used by governments or law enforcement. It is being used by private corporations as well.

[New Paine]

Welcome to the internet....

[Novus America]

But a police officer looking for you will. If your face is on a wanted poster you will.
I mean I see the concerns with the technology it but is not really that drastic a change.
Unless everyone starts wearing such things and they are available to everyone which is not likely. In that case it could go to far, because it could be used by criminals to commit crimes.

But this is more a issue of individual abuse than government one. The government already has your pictures, address, etc.

This technology is not only being used by governments or law enforcement. It is being used by private corporations as well.

Which is a greater concern, but not that big a change.
I mean you swipe your credit card and you already gave them that information anyways. You work for them they already have that information anyways.

The biggest problem would be individuals using it for criminal purposes, say seeing you are out, knowing you address and then using that to decide which residence to rob.

But you want to avoid this, the easiest way is to reduce your online footprint.

When you use social media you already gave up your privacy.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It's the narcissists, who have posted thousands of selfies online, I feel sorry for.

[Pax Nerdvana]

It's the narcissists, who have posted thousands of selfies online, I feel sorry for.

I'm glad I've never posted pictures of myself.

[Ethel mermania]

As scottie said in 1999.


https://www.wired.com/1999/01/sun-on-pr ... t-over-it/

[Ifreann]

I swear I remember seeing something, years ago, about a pin with an LED that emitted light at a wavelength that digital cameras could pick up, but the human eye couldn't. To anyone who sees you in person, you're just wearing a necklace or something. But on camera there's a big white flare that covers your face.

[Galloism]

I swear I remember seeing something, years ago, about a pin with an LED that emitted light at a wavelength that digital cameras could pick up, but the human eye couldn't. To anyone who sees you in person, you're just wearing a necklace or something. But on camera there's a big white flare that covers your face.

And this pin, is it available for sale on amazon or such?

[The Legendary]

The problem is that each city in the US is Semi-Autonomous - They control their own police force,and have their own laws that usually override state laws.
So cities in the US can do whatever they want as long as they don't violate the constitution and federal laws.

[Cisairse]

I swear I remember seeing something, years ago, about a pin with an LED that emitted light at a wavelength that digital cameras could pick up, but the human eye couldn't. To anyone who sees you in person, you're just wearing a necklace or something. But on camera there's a big white flare that covers your face.

Hey, that sounds super useful.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Still, most security camera images look like the camera they were taken with had fewer than 100 pixels. Have security cameras not been updated since about 1990?

[Novus America]

It's the narcissists, who have posted thousands of selfies online, I feel sorry for.

I'm glad I've never posted pictures of myself.

That is the thing. When one plasters everything personal all over social media, posts pictures and personally identify details all over, they already killed privacy.

[USS Monitor]

Can I use this to pretend I can actually remember people names?

Ooh, smart. I need help with that too.