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[CANCELLED] Small Conflicts

Postby Apabeossie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:43 am

in #980, there are no issues that come after you plant your flag in Hanshedrik. This issue should be received by nations who chose option 1 in #980.

Title: Small Conflicts

Description: A few weeks after @@NAME@@ planted their flag in the disputed island of Hanshedrik, Skandilund removed the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag, replaced it with their own, established a small settlement there. Now the skadilundian government announced that "@@NAME@@ should cease all claims on Hanshedrik".

1. "this is an illegal occupation!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, your defense minister, outraged. "Those damn Skandilundians dare remove our flag from our territory?? The only rightful thing to do is take them BACK!" he accidentally spilling your cup of water. "Oops, sorry. but anyways, we should send our army to *liberate* the island. @@NAME@@ rules hanshedrik!" @@HE@@ gifts you a model of a helicopter and leaves the room.

result: @@AN@@ @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ helicopter occupies most of Hanshedrik's flat land.

2. "whoa, do not be too hasty." mutters @@RANDOMNAME@@, the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ ambassador to Skandilund. "You can't just use force for everything! We need to pressure them diplomatically. Threathen Skandilund with trade sanctions, asking them do give up the little island. If they refuse, bring the case to the world assembly court of justice. We have enough evidence...right?" @@HE@@ leaves behind a small @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag, planted on a small rock.

result: The nation's diplomats believe that language is stronger than weapons when it comes to sovereignty.

3. "Face it, you can't change skandilund's mind." says @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the campaign We-Hanshedrik, carrying a bag of postcards. "What we can do though, is raising public awareness. Create posters! Teach children that Hanshedrik is ours! Fund my campaign- err... campaigns. it's the peaceful way of doing it." @@HE@@ gives you a postcard and leaves the room.

result: every day is hanshedrik day.

4. "Why not share it like a peace of pie?" interjects your niece, with a plate of danishes. "What if we split the island in two? It would be better than fighting for the whole island!" She cuts the danish in half, placing one half on your desk, and leaves the room.

result: diplomacy is easy as a piece of island cake.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:42 am

The entire point of that issue is that it's making a fuss over an extremely minor island with no practical use. Does something like that warrant being taken seriously enough to have two issues about it?

Also, Skandilund actually managing to "establish a settlement" goes against the original premise that it's a tiny, useless island that you're only arguing over out of principle, and also against your own suggestion that a single helicopter would occupy most of the available space. What is this "settlement", two guys in a tent?

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:45 am

Trotterdam wrote:What is this "settlement", two guys in a tent?

That was about it when the Royal Marines established a temporary settlement on Rockall to uphold the UK's claim there...
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Postby Apabeossie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:46 pm

Trotterdam wrote:The entire point of that issue is that it's making a fuss over an extremely minor island with no practical use. Does something like that warrant being taken seriously enough to have two issues about it?

Also, Skandilund actually managing to "establish a settlement" goes against the original premise that it's a tiny, useless island that you're only arguing over out of principle, and also against your own suggestion that a single helicopter would occupy most of the available space. What is this "settlement", two guys in a tent?

I can edit the first two result to make more sense, since I couldn't think what should I write other than "helicopters" and stuff.
And yes, countries still make fuss over extremely minor islands with no practical use, mainly because of the waters around it filled with resources. If Skandilund and the player even cared about Hanshedrik, they won't end it there.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:49 pm

I think this is missing the humor in #980 and we don't really need another issue about that island.
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Postby Apabeossie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:46 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I think this is missing the humor in #980 and we don't really need another issue about that island.

I would like to improve the humor, what should I do?
Also, territorial disputes don't end when you plant 2 flags. Countries still fight about seemingly useless islands. There would have been strategic/economical value if Skandilund would have claimed it in the first place.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:10 pm

The joke in #980 is about how nations are making a big deal over something incredibly minor. It simply doesn't work when you make the same joke twice. Followup issues are only worthwhile when there's an actually-complicated subject worth exploring in depth, not when you're just trying to repeat a joke that's already been made.

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Postby Apabeossie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:25 pm

IRL nations too, often make big deals over something incredibly minor. If both nations had to care, it wouldn't just be a worthless island in the middle of nowhere.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:01 pm

It's an interesting follow-up issue to the one about an island dispute. I do like the premise to it (since international relations can be as trivial as someone claiming an uninhabited island that has no strategic value).

Explain to me option 3 since that's the one I don't really get at the moment and you could definitely spruce up that one.
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Postby Apabeossie » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:18 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:It's an interesting follow-up issue to the one about an island dispute. I do like the premise to it (since international relations can be as trivial as someone claiming an uninhabited island that has no strategic value).

Explain to me option 3 since that's the one I don't really get at the moment and you could definitely spruce up that one.


The Liancourt Rocks for example, is a group of small, disputed islands between South Korea and Japan.

Option 3 is basically campaigning that the island is the player's territory. It's about teaching children that Hanshedrik is rightful territory of the nation, creating postcards and posters etc. to raise public awareness about Hanshedrik.

like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEF9FDh4nZc
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:29 pm

Apabeossie wrote:Also, territorial disputes don't end when you plant 2 flags. Countries still fight about seemingly useless islands. There would have been strategic/economical value if Skandilund would have claimed it in the first place.


Did you miss the part about the danishes? It's obvious that the dispute is not that vicious.
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Postby Apabeossie » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:09 am

the topic seems invalid.
can you please give a general feedback on my issue writing? (e.g. humor, grammar etc.)
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:24 pm

Apabeossie wrote:the topic seems invalid.
can you please give a general feedback on my issue writing? (e.g. humor, grammar etc.)

When writing particular options, you must make sure everything fits and it's reflected in what that person or interest is doing. It helps for you to be in that person's perspective (an oil CEO's perspective is different from a conservationist's for example) so you can effectively write what they are arguing. Occasional humor is good and it doesn't hurt to have a few good puns or even sarcasm to make the issue interesting.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:40 pm

Ok, there should be an option which just lets you keep going with the game. It's not the same as the dismiss button, because with this option you actively play a game, rather than do nothing
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