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Virginia declares emergency Militias threaten to seize Gov.

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:24 pm

Virginia declares an emergency as Militias threaten to seize capitol.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/939b ... he-capitol

Wow this is escalating very quickly in Virginia so a bunch of gun rights groups are planning to protest on MLK day and police have found a credible threat they may attempt to seize the capital building. This all started with a new Gun law that a large number of Sheriff's and other local governments refused to enforce and now Virginia seems to be on the verge of a coup.


Naturally I believe coups are wrong but also maybe these laws should be reconsidered. Coups are generally in my lists of wrong way to resolve issues.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:28 pm

Nice.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:32 pm

Why on MLK day?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:32 pm

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:33 pm

Genivaria wrote:Why on MLK day?


What better day to protest government mistreatment?
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:34 pm

"Now here's to brave Virginia, the Old Dominion State,
With the young Confederacy at last has sealed her fate,
And spurred by her example, now other states prepare
To hoist high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star...."
:p

In all seriousness however, I do believe the coup is justified if this new gun law isn't the will of most Virginia voters. If it isn't constitutional, it can always be struck down by SCOTUS. If it is merely a policy disagreement, people should vote Democrats out to enable it to be quickly undone. If its constitutional and most Virginia residents agree with that new law, I'm sorry to say that the coup probably shouldn't go forward.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:37 pm

While I agree with the OP in that I dont support coup's, I wonder if it would be against site rules to argue for one
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:39 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:While I agree with the OP in that I dont support coup's, I wonder if it would be against site rules to argue for one


Depends on how much the mods also support the coup in question.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:49 pm

Is this like 4chan shitposts as an excuse to shut down a planned protest or is this a real threat? With the mickey mouse games played as of late, one doesn't know.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:51 pm

Saiwania wrote:"Now here's to brave Virginia, the Old Dominion State,
With the young Confederacy at last has sealed her fate,
And spurred by her example, now other states prepare
To hoist high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star...."
:p

In all seriousness however, I do believe the coup is justified if this new gun law isn't the will of most Virginia voters. If it isn't constitutional, it can always be struck down by SCOTUS. If it is merely a policy disagreement, people should vote Democrats out to enable it to be quickly undone. If its constitutional and most Virginia residents agree with that new law, I'm sorry to say that the coup probably shouldn't go forward.


Here is the problem, as well as some background context as the OP's linked story isn't fully accurate.

After VA's last election, which saw Bloombery sponsored Democratic candidates win majority seats, the Gov immediately started pushing forward several rather unwarranted and clearly unwanted proposals targeting law abiding gun owners in a state that traditionally really really loves it's firearms. A partial list of these laws include:

HB 567: Which pretty much bans indoor shooting ranges not owned/operated by the state. Specially proposed to shut down the NRA's headquarters.
HB 568: Which pretty much bans CCW in vehicles period.
HB 569: Which gives power to the Democrat AG to "re-evaluate" which states CCW's are recognized by VA.
HB 599: Which makes carrying a weapon into building owned or leased by the Commonwealth a felony. Which when paired with HB 567 makes it pretty much illegal to use a range in the state.
HB 961: No mag over 10 rounds period with no grandfathering, and no mag with a removable plate on the bottom that could be used to bypass limit restrictions. Felony if found in violation. Basically outlaws pretty much all magazines.

After people started openly protesting and organizing to include passing nearly 90+% of the state into "2A Sanctuaries", the gov pushed back and openly threatened to call in the National Guard to enforce it's rule by force if need be. The Gov also signed a bill increasing state prison funding to make room specifically for firearm owners.

SB 353: Unlawful to fire a firearm within 500yrds of ANY residential property, including your own. Basically makes it illegal to shoot on your own property.
HB 4001: Right to keep and bear arms. Codifies the opinion of the Supreme Court of the United States in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), that the right to keep and bear arms conferred by the United States Constitution and the Constitution of Virginia is not an individual right.
HB 4015: Requires a background check for any firearm transfer and establishes the state police to enforce it.

The Gov's next step after this was trying to hinder the response/backlash from the proposed laws while downplaying how many people were actually protesting it. The Gov passed another bill flat out banning firearms within the capital square which specifically target the upcoming protestors and was a play at a defacto ban on the rally itself as these types of rally's tends to include lawfully carrying protestors doing so by exercising their first amendment rights. The Gov also changed a long standing rule that insider the building during sessions the audience would be comprised of 50/50 pro/anti 2a personal instead of the traditional first come first seated, which favorably skews perception of the level of acceptance towards his favor when in reality him and his supporters were outnumbered likely 10 to 1.

In light of all this, the rally organizers still planned to push forward with the peaceful protest with even out of state folks now starting to show up ahead of the rally. Scared and shitting his pants, the Gov's next move as stated above, was to declare a national emergency and is likely right now trying to get the NG involved in this to try and enforce his unconstitutional bullshit through intimidation of force against the people of Va who at this point have rightfully had enough of his fucking antics. Is there a credible threat? Unlikely. Have extremist people made threats and is the Gov conveniently using this to his advantage by making a mountain out of a mole hill? Absolutely! I mean fuck it, Antifa even said that they were going to show up and support the pro 2a side, so if anything the people planning to peacefully protest this are getting scapegoated for the actions/threats from the lefts premier black clad terrorist organization.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:55 pm

Ah yes, protest the laws by giving them more reason to exist.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:Ah yes, protest the laws by giving them more reason to exist.

It's a damned if they do damned if they don't, if they say nothing the then Virginia will simply pass more laws because it's not about making the people safe it's about promoting their political power and reassuring the lobbyists who own them.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:Ah yes, protest the laws by giving them more reason to exist.


Surely the people resisting oppression simply proves they need to be oppressed.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Looks like terrorists to me.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Ah yes, protest the laws by giving them more reason to exist.


Surely the people resisting oppression simply proves they need to be oppressed.


This is, in fact, what the government thinks.
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The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Ah yes, protest the laws by giving them more reason to exist.

It's a damned if they do damned if they don't, if they say nothing the then Virginia will simply pass more laws because it's not about making the people safe it's about promoting their political power and reassuring the lobbyists who own them.


what fucking lobbyist group profits from this
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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:02 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:It's a damned if they do damned if they don't, if they say nothing the then Virginia will simply pass more laws because it's not about making the people safe it's about promoting their political power and reassuring the lobbyists who own them.


what fucking lobbyist group profits from this

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:02 pm

Isn't doing a violent, armed coup attempt in a democracy one of those things which ensures public opinion turns against you?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:04 pm

Based. The Boogaloo is one step closer.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based. The Boogaloo is one step closer.


If you think this is good news...

West Virginia just dropped HCR Resolution 8, which in a nutshell extends an invitation to EVERY VIRGINIA COUNTY OR INDIVIDUAL CITY to succeed from Virginia and become legally and officially part of West Virginia.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:05 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:It's a damned if they do damned if they don't, if they say nothing the then Virginia will simply pass more laws because it's not about making the people safe it's about promoting their political power and reassuring the lobbyists who own them.


what fucking lobbyist group profits from this

Alot of the wealth in Northern Virginia comes from the fact that it's a suburb of DC, so it's a place filled with a lot of wealth brought on by the lobbying industry.

They don't like guns.

You have to wonder why a bunch of rich fat cats wouldn't like guns.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Albrenia wrote:Isn't doing a violent, armed coup attempt in a democracy one of those things which ensures public opinion turns against you?


Judging by the number of coups that have successfully overthrown democracies, no.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:It's a damned if they do damned if they don't, if they say nothing the then Virginia will simply pass more laws because it's not about making the people safe it's about promoting their political power and reassuring the lobbyists who own them.


what fucking lobbyist group profits from this


Bloomberg and his gaggle of organizations.

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Based. The Boogaloo is one step closer.


If you think this is good news...

West Virginia just dropped HCR Resolution 8, which in a nutshell extends an invitation to EVERY VIRGINIA COUNTY OR INDIVIDUAL CITIES to succeed from Virginia and become legally and officially part of West Virginia.


Holy shit that's awesome lol
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:07 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
what fucking lobbyist group profits from this

Alot of the wealth in Northern Virginia comes from the fact that it's a suburb of DC, so it's a place filled with a lot of wealth brought on by the lobbying industry.

They don't like guns.


Bloomberg? Soros? Just a few off the top of my head that come to mind.

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