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Putin seeks to extend his rule

Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:21 am

Putin has proposed some changes to the Russian constitution that might allow him to continue in power.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russi ... KKBN1ZE15F

and the Russian Government is apparently going to resign

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51120166

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russi ... KKBN1ZE1SU

Can't say I am surprised that Putin is seeking ways to stay in control in Russia. Personally I don't think it is a good thing, but then I favour term limits, not everyone does. Presumably the upside is stability, though is there really much point to the Russian Constitution if it is so easily changed to suit the needs of Putin?

I don't think I understand these maneuverings - when he is no longer President and he shifts power to parliament how does he control things? Does shifting Medvedev mean he is looking for another PM he can control?

Some of the possible candidates to take over the role of Prime Minister
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russi ... ZE271?il=0

Putin proposes Mishustin as PM.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-russi ... KKBN1ZE15F

So he is weakening the role of President after he leaves the role.
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Postby New Udonia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:24 am

Hey, at least he wants to do everything legally. Most leaders violate the constitution first and ask for legality later.
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Postby Vivolkha » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:24 am

So, he finally did it. I was hoping he would not try to extend his rule like that, at most switch back to prime minister again, but this was predictable, to be honest.
Side note, the increase of power in parliament could also help him set up a Kazakhstan-style transition, though it seems like plan B. Plan A is Putin forever.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:41 am

You mean Vladimir putin is taking more liberties both figuratively and literally?

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Of course, it's Putin.
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Postby The Rapture Republic » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:13 am

Judging by the article. If both the Government and the Russian people, Putin’s base. Support it. I see no issues here.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:15 am

So what are the specifics?
Dident he already have infinite term limits ?

The only reason he will need all that power is to wage war effectively ...
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:20 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:So what are the specifics?
Dident he already have infinite term limits ?

The only reason he will need all that power is to wage war effectively ...


No he didn't have infinite terms, he has reached the limit on being President under the current rules. Why he didn't just try to change that I would be interested to know.
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Christian Confederation wrote:As long as Russia doesn't put nukes in Cuba or invade a NATO country I could care less what they do in all honesty.

Russia was the threat of last Century, China is this Century's Threat.

China isn't. The USA is.
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-Palpatine- wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:As long as Russia doesn't put nukes in Cuba or invade a NATO country I could care less what they do in all honesty.

Russia was the threat of last Century, China is this Century's Threat.

China isn't. The USA is.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:47 am

So Putin Gulag memes are a go?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:48 am

-Palpatine- wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:As long as Russia doesn't put nukes in Cuba or invade a NATO country I could care less what they do in all honesty.

Russia was the threat of last Century, China is this Century's Threat.

China isn't. The USA is.


China is most definitely a threat, even if the US also is to people's safety. While America has a history of doing some honestly demonically evil things in the global south, we shouldn't forget that the CCP has been the most murderous regime in mankind's history, killing well over 40 million people.
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Postby Magnum Exitium » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:51 am

Gormwood wrote:So Putin Gulag memes are a go?

Yes please



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Postby Vivolkha » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:53 am

Christian Confederation wrote:As long as Russia doesn't put nukes in Cuba or invade a NATO country I could care less what they do in all honesty.

Russia was the threat of last Century, China is this Century's Threat.

Agreed.
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:So what are the specifics?
Dident he already have infinite term limits ?

No, he is limited to two consecutive (key word: consecutive) terms. Last time, he switched to prime minister to dodge the limit. He intends to do the same apparently, while the constitutional reforms increase the power of the prime minister (likely his next position) and parliament.
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:The only reason he will need all that power is to wage war effectively ...

Against who? NATO who has >16 times the military budget?
Vistulange wrote:What are we exactly meant to discuss here?

What does this mean for Russia's future? Yes, more Putin, but in a different form (most dictators generally do with term limits altogether?). Putin can't rule forever, does he have a plan other than extending his rule?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:54 am

Vivolkha wrote:So, he finally did it. I was hoping he would not try to extend his rule like that, at most switch back to prime minister again, but this was predictable, to be honest.
Side note, the increase of power in parliament could also help him set up a Kazakhstan-style transition, though it seems like plan B. Plan A is Putin forever.

I mean he already changed the rules once before. Why not do it again.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:55 am

Christian Confederation wrote:As long as Russia doesn't put nukes in Cuba or invade a NATO country I could care less what they do in all honesty.

Russia was the threat of last Century, China is this Century's Threat.

Yup. Russia as a threat to the world is long gone. They are still a threat but only to the Europeans
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Thermodolia wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:So, he finally did it. I was hoping he would not try to extend his rule like that, at most switch back to prime minister again, but this was predictable, to be honest.
Side note, the increase of power in parliament could also help him set up a Kazakhstan-style transition, though it seems like plan B. Plan A is Putin forever.

I mean he already changed the rules once before. Why not do it again.

All I can say is meh


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