[Draft] Is there a time and a place for this nation?

[The Sapmi]

Draft 3:
A recent independence referendum within Brancaland’s infamously rebellious province of Quaybeck has caused controversy. With a turn-out of less than 20%, the referendum has been considered null and void by the Brancalander parliament despite the vote supporting independence. As numerous nearby nations have announced their support for an independent Quaybeck, @@NAME@@’s neutrality in the matter has caused emissaries from both sides to give their side of the matter.

Option 1: "Please listen to our pleas!" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the somewhat-shady Quaybecker Society of @@NAME@@. "History has shown us that this is the only possible way for our people to continue!". Ushering you off to the side, @@HE@@ offers you some money to look the other way when asked about the election's legitimacy, which looked oddly like the lubles used in Bigtopia.
Effect: People groups whom were oppressed centuries ago now fiercely campaign for independence.

Option 2: "Pleas? Hah!" retorts the Brancalander emissary, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "When we gave them compromise, they declined! And have you seen the turn-outs? 16%? For all we know, the only people who voted for them could be the Brasilistani immigrants! All of the people who didn't turn up could be fiercely anti-Quaybeck, for all we know!”
Effect: One person not turning up to a referendum results in it being considered null and void.

Option 3: "Maybe there's a compromise?" ponders your Minister of Compromise, @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@. Taking one swig each from the two cups of water she is holding, she continues "Maybe we recognise that the election was valid, but that Brancaland can do with it what it likes. This choice might be unpopular, but who knows what Brancaland's political landscape is like? I sure don't."
Effect: @@NAME@@ no longer questions referendums where a minority votes 100% for deportation to death camps.

Option 4: "Or we could just plead neutrality" responds @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Neutrality calmly and flatly. "Do we have to get involved with absolutely everything? You already know of the consequences of our attempt to influence Altaniqi politics or the backlash we were given when serving as a peacekeeper to prevent atrocities in the Meensda Breakup War. It would be better to let things take their natural path, without our involvement.”
Effect: Parents answer "Neutral" when asked by children about their favourite colour.


Draft 2:

A recent independence referendum in Brancaland’s infamously rebellious province of Quaybeck has caused controversy. With a turn-out of less than 20%, the referendum has been considered null and void by the Brancalander parliament. As numerous nearby nations have announced their support for an independent Quaybeck, @@NAME@@’s neutrality in the matter as caused emissaries from bot sides to give their side of the matter.

Option 1: "Please listen to our pleas!" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the somewhat-shady Quaybecker Society of @@NAME@@. "History has shown us that this is the only possible way for our people to continue!". Ushering you off to the side, @@HE@@ offers you some money to look the other way when asked about the election's legitimacy, which looked oddly like the lubles used in Bigtopia.
Effect: People groups whom were oppressed centuries ago now fiercely campaign for independence.

Option 2: "Pleas? Hah!" retorts the Brancalander emissary, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "When we gave them compromise, they declined! And have you seen the turn-outs? 16%? For all we know, the only people who voted for them could be the Brasilistani immigrants! All of the people who didn't turn up could be fiercely anti-Quaybeck, for all we know!”
Effect: One person not turning up to a referendum results in it being considered null and void.

Option 3: "Maybe there's a compromise?" questions your Minister of Compromises, @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@. Taking one swig each from the two cups of water she is holding, she continues "Maybe we recognise that the election was valid, but that Brancaland can do with it what it likes. This choice might be unpopular, but who knows what Brancaland's political landscape is like? I sure don't."
Effect: Groups that support your ideals perfectly are ignored because they exist outside of @@NAME@@'s domain.

Option 4: "Or we could just plead neutrality" responds your Minister of Neutrality calmly and flatly. "Do we have to get involved with everything? You already know of the consequences of our attempt to influence Altaniqi politics or the backlash we were given when serving as a peacekeeper to prevent genocide in the Meensda Breakup War. It would be better to let things take their path, without our involvement.”
Effect: Parents answer "Neutral" when asked by children about their favourite colour.

Draft 1:

As of recent, the province of Quaybeck has demanded more self-governance from their overlord of Brancaland. At first demanding simply autonomy, they have as of recent demanded an independence referendum, which was accepted. Whilst a majority did vote for independence, an extremely low turn-out has brought up the issue of whether the election was legitimate. As the question of Quaybeck's legitimacy continues to spread, both sides come to us for support.

Option 1: "Please listen to our pleas!" said @@RANDOMNAME@@, leader of the somewhat shady Quaybecker Society of @@NAME@@. "History has shown us that this is the only possible way for our people to continue!". Ushering you off to the side, @@HE@@ offered you some money to look the other way when asked about the election's legitimacy, which looked oddly like the lubles used in Bigtopia.
Effect: People groups whom were oppressed centuries ago now fiercely campaign for independence.

Option 2: "Pleas? Hah!" retorted the Brancalander emissary, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "When we gave them compromise, they declined! And have you seen the turn-outs? Less than 20%? For all we know, the only people who voted for them could be the Brasilistani immigrants! All of the people who didn't turn up could be fiercely anti-Quaybeck, for all we know!
Effect: One person not turning up to a referendum results in it being considered null and void.

Option 3: "Maybe there's a compromise?" questions your Minister of Compromises, @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@. Taking one swig each from the two cups of water she is holding, she continues "Maybe we recognise that the election was valid, but that Brancaland can do with it what it likes. This choice might be unpopular, but who knows what Brancaland's political landscape is like? I sure don't."
Effect: Groups that support your ideals perfectly are ignored because they exist outside of @@NAME@@'s domain

Option 4: "Or we could just plead neutrality" responded your Minister of Neutrality calmly. "Do we have to get involved with everything? You already know of the consequences of our attempt to influence Altaniqi politics or the backlash we were given when serving as a peacekeeper to prevent genocide in the Meensda Civil War. It would be better to let things take their path, without our involvement.
Effect: Parents answer "Neutral" when asked by children about their favourite colour.

[Makdon]

The options are usually written in present tense, but you've written them in past

[The Sherpa Empire]

Shouldn't this be an issue for the leader of Brancaland to decide?

[The Sapmi]

Shouldn't this be an issue for the leader of Brancaland to decide?

As explained in the issue's start, Quaybeck did vote for independence, but the leader of Brancaland declined. The Quaybeckers are now looking for international support. In my next draft, I think I'll make that clearer.

[The Sapmi]

The options are usually written in present tense, but you've written them in past

True. I should probably change that.

[Australian rePublic]

So the issue is whether or not we recognise their indipendance? Make this clearer. However, somehow, I don't see that happening so quickly

[The Sapmi]

So the issue is whether or not we recognise their indipendance? Make this clearer. However, somehow, I don't see that happening so quickly

Have made this somewhat clearer. Thanks for the feedback.

[Socio Polor]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

[Socio Polor]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

What would make for a better issue imo, is if a territory of @@name@@ wanted their independence. I don't think that has been done before

[The Sapmi]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

I'd say it's more like Serbia & Kosovo. Enough support worldwide would make Serbia likely allow it to be independent. Considering Russia & China's position on the matter, I doubt it to happen anytime soon, but still.
And besides, Brancaland's hand isn't being necessarily forced here. It's just support for an independent Quaybeck.

[USS Monitor]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

What would make for a better issue imo, is if a territory of @@name@@ wanted their independence. I don't think that has been done before

It has been done before.

[Socio Polor]

What would make for a better issue imo, is if a territory of @@name@@ wanted their independence. I don't think that has been done before

It has been done before.

Well, there goes that idea Thanks for confirming that Monitor.

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

I'd say it's more like Serbia & Kosovo. Enough support worldwide would make Serbia likely allow it to be independent. Considering Russia & China's position on the matter, I doubt it to happen anytime soon, but still.
And besides, Brancaland's hand isn't being necessarily forced here. It's just support for an independent Quaybeck.

In all honesty, I can only see this issue working just to boost @@name@@'s foreign aid stat...possibly. But, with that aside, I wish you the best of luck

[Trotterdam]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

If the independence struggle devolves into an actual shooting war, it's plausible other nations would take sides in the matter. This scenario is already covered by #808, so no new ground there either, I'm afraid.

[The Sapmi]

In RL, nations usually don't get involved in the internal affairs of other nations, unless said affairs would affect those countries. An independence referendum hardly warrants international intervention. It'll be like the UK getting involved if California decided to secede from the US or the US getting involved if Northern Ireland decided to break from the UK, it rarely happens. Even if we did intervene, what more can @@name@@ do other than give our opinion? It's not like we can actually force Brancaland into giving Quaybeck their independence

If the independence struggle devolves into an actual shooting war, it's plausible other nations would take sides in the matter. This scenario is already covered by #808, so no new ground there either, I'm afraid.

I feel that this issue is a bit more peaceful. No war will start, Brancaland will likely just angrily continue to deny Quaybeck's independence. Issue #808 focuses on a war for independence.

In all honesty, I can only see this issue working just to boost @@name@@'s foreign aid stat...possibly. But, with that aside, I wish you the best of luck

It can affect the stats in other ways. The former two options would increase your arms industry. The support of Brancaland could increase authoritarianism. The support of Quaybeck could increase civil rights. Maintaining neutrality could increase political apathy.

[USS Monitor]

If the independence struggle devolves into an actual shooting war, it's plausible other nations would take sides in the matter. This scenario is already covered by #808, so no new ground there either, I'm afraid.

I feel that this issue is a bit more peaceful. No war will start, Brancaland will likely just angrily continue to deny Quaybeck's independence. Issue #808 focuses on a war for independence.

It can affect the stats in other ways. The former two options would increase your arms industry. The support of Brancaland could increase authoritarianism. The support of Quaybeck could increase civil rights. Maintaining neutrality could increase political apathy.

Don't worry about stats. Since non-editors can't see which stats we manipulate manually and which are knock-on effects, it's simpler to just figure out the stats ourselves rather than ask players to guess.

The issues submission page used to include stat suggestions, but editors found themselves ignoring the suggestions most of the time.

For now, you should focus on finding the right premise. This still seems very similar to 808.

[The Sapmi]

In all honesty, I can only see this issue working just to boost @@name@@'s foreign aid stat...possibly. But, with that aside, I wish you the best of luck [/quote]
Thanks for the support!

[The Sapmi]

I feel that this issue is a bit more peaceful. No war will start, Brancaland will likely just angrily continue to deny Quaybeck's independence. Issue #808 focuses on a war for independence.

It can affect the stats in other ways. The former two options would increase your arms industry. The support of Brancaland could increase authoritarianism. The support of Quaybeck could increase civil rights. Maintaining neutrality could increase political apathy.

Don't worry about stats. Since non-editors can't see which stats we manipulate manually and which are knock-on effects, it's simpler to just figure out the stats ourselves rather than ask players to guess.

The issues submission page used to include stat suggestions, but editors found themselves ignoring the suggestions most of the time.

For now, you should focus on finding the right premise. This still seems very similar to 808.

How could I do that? It feels pretty separate to me.

[Sacara]

The premise of your draft is a referendum in one of Brancaland's provinces is not being respected by their central government, and people from both sides are coming to @@LEADER@@'s office asking for support.

The premise of 808 is one of Daguo's province is being rebellious and is attempting to break away, and people from both sides are coming to @@LEADER@@'s office asking for support.

Do you see how they are similar? I think it's in best interests to just abandon this draft and find another topic to write about. There's no shame in doing so, every writer has gone through this same process. I'd rather you focus on something else.

[The Sapmi]

The premise of your draft is a referendum in one of Brancaland's provinces is not being respected by their central government, and people from both sides are coming to @@LEADER@@'s office asking for support.

The premise of 808 is one of Daguo's province is being rebellious and is attempting to break away, and people from both sides are coming to @@LEADER@@'s office asking for support.

Do you see how they are similar? I think it's in best interests to just abandon this draft and find another topic to write about. There's no shame in doing so, every writer has gone through this same process. I'd rather you focus on something else.

If I recall correctly, the premise of Issue 808 is that the province is already at war, whereas in mine, Quaybeck is not.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I concur that the overlap is too great, and this issue will be rejected for that reason.

[The Sapmi]

...ah well, still got a number of ideas anyway.

[Satuga]

I think the name needs some adjusting, It's a little too long for my liking.

[The Sapmi]

Can somebody lock this thread?

[Trotterdam]

The thread had already fallen off the first page. Why revive the thread just to ask for it to be locked?