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Should Canada cut off all ties with the USA?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Canada, for all its flaws, has had a relatively saner foreign policy than the USA's. However, it has one key flaw in its foreign policy; that it trades with the USA. The money spent assassinating Iranians came partly from Canada. We have blood on our hands, the world knows it, and they might target us alongside Americans.

Right now, the UK is leaving the EU and needs a new trading partner. Canada, as it stands, has fewer people in it than the UK does. If Canada does the lion's share of its trade with the UK, could the remaining population of the UK could still do whatever remaining trade needs doing with the EU, while still meeting Canada's trade needs? Or is there something irreplaceable about American goods?

Me, I'd just like to see Canada cut off all ties until/unless this blows over. If it's going to blow over, great! We can wait until then. If it escalates into an outright war, better poor than dead. We have enough food here to survive. And we shouldn't get killed because of America's mistakes.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:13 pm

That would be a horrible decision
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:13 pm

I mean, considering their national identity is built off of being Not America... Sure, why not?
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:16 pm

New haven america wrote:I mean, considering their national identity is built off of being Not America... Sure, why not?

The economic repercussions of such a thing would be enormous, simply cutting off all ties is a horrible idea. Canada can take steps to reduce US influence in their economy, but what the OP is proposing is economically disastrous
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:16 pm

I mean, the US is pretty powerful, and someone most nations would want as a powerful ally, so unless Canadians want to go with China or Russia or something, US is a good ally. Not to mention that the USA is a neighbor.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:18 pm

No need for all that. Pretty sure you can send a similar message with other, less drastic, means.

Also nobody cares about Canada.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:19 pm

Esternial wrote:No need for all that. Pretty sure you can send a similar message with other, less drastic, means.

Also nobody cares about Canada.

Hey at least it’s the second largest country in the world

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:22 pm

Canada cutting off all ties with its largest trading partner is probably not a great idea, and no amount of trade with the Brits will make up for the gaping void left by cutting off US-Canadian relations.
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Postby ArranVidLand » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:23 pm

Current Canada is a better country than Current USA. Maybe Canada should cut off all ties with the USA, but it seems like an economically problematic move of course. Canada could find better allies and avoid the USA if it's serious in doing that. Yeah most people will disagree with me saying that Current Canada is better, but it is better in terms of domestic and foreign policy imo. Trump is making the USA look like a joke now. The USA was great under legendary Presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ronald Reagan...not anymore. If there are americans upset with my comment, well that's too bad my friends, it's just my opinion. Sure, Trump is making the USA economy better, but his reactionary stance, his rages on Twitter, his deceit...it makes him and the current USA Politicans who support him look like jokers.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:25 pm

ArranVidLand wrote:Current Canada is a better country than Current USA. Maybe Canada should cut off all ties with the USA, but it seems like an economically problematic move of course. Canada could find better allies and avoid the USA if it's serious in doing that. Yeah most people will disagree with me saying that Current Canada is better, but it is better in terms of domestic and foreign policy imo. Trump is making the USA look like a joke now. The USA was great under legendary Presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ronald Reagan...not anymore. If there are americans upset with my comment, well that's too bad my friends, it's just my opinion. Sure, Trump is making the USA economy better, but his reactionary stance, his rages on Twitter, his deceit...it makes him and the current USA Politicans who support him look like jokers.

At least the United States is the devil they know. Sometimes you need allies in unlikely places, and even if you object morally to the USA, Canada needs them.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:30 pm

If you don't want to be involved in US military bullshit, just stay home and don't get involved militarily. You can trade with the US without getting killed in our stupid wars.
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Postby Thoonia » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:32 pm

No. Canada will be fine, and if Iran tries anything serious against the US, it'll get turned to glass.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:32 pm

I don't think so, no.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:33 pm

ArranVidLand wrote:Current Canada is a better country than Current USA. Maybe Canada should cut off all ties with the USA, but it seems like an economically problematic move of course. Canada could find better allies and avoid the USA if it's serious in doing that. Yeah most people will disagree with me saying that Current Canada is better, but it is better in terms of domestic and foreign policy imo. Trump is making the USA look like a joke now. The USA was great under legendary Presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ronald Reagan...not anymore. If there are americans upset with my comment, well that's too bad my friends, it's just my opinion. Sure, Trump is making the USA economy better, but his reactionary stance, his rages on Twitter, his deceit...it makes him and the current USA Politicans who support him look like jokers.


I'm not convinced he even makes the economy better. There are lots of things that can influence the economy, and it's not always something the current president is doing.

Please have Canada annex New England.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:56 pm

That would be a foolish decision for Canada to make. They can stay out of the Middle East and still be able to trade with the US.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:56 pm

I mean this Iranian general dude is one of the few people whose blood I don't mind being on our hands. It wasn't a good move in terms of middle East peace and was honestly fucking stupid of trump and our military to do, but Soleimani being dead isn't exactly a bad thing. Dude was a murderer, he deserved to die

Now the question is as follows. Should Canada cut off ties with america? And the answer is maybe? on one hand our foreign policy in america has turned us into one of the world's largest pariah states, and has convinced millions of people worldwide that we are the greatest threat to world security since black Friday was invented. On the other hand, we are one of Canada's biggest trading partners and both us and the people of those northern provinces rely on each other to develop our economies. So the jury is out on my end
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:57 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
ArranVidLand wrote:Current Canada is a better country than Current USA. Maybe Canada should cut off all ties with the USA, but it seems like an economically problematic move of course. Canada could find better allies and avoid the USA if it's serious in doing that. Yeah most people will disagree with me saying that Current Canada is better, but it is better in terms of domestic and foreign policy imo. Trump is making the USA look like a joke now. The USA was great under legendary Presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ronald Reagan...not anymore. If there are americans upset with my comment, well that's too bad my friends, it's just my opinion. Sure, Trump is making the USA economy better, but his reactionary stance, his rages on Twitter, his deceit...it makes him and the current USA Politicans who support him look like jokers.


I'm not convinced he even makes the economy better. There are lots of things that can influence the economy, and it's not always something the current president is doing.

Please have Canada annex New England.


We haven't heard such talk in these parts since 1811
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Postby Hanseatic Trade Cities » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:58 pm

As a Canadian I have to say no, they are our ally. Cutting off ties with them would isolate us from all the NATO nations, who are our greatest allies, and have been since the end of the second world war.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:58 pm

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ArranVidLand wrote:Current Canada is a better country than Current USA. Maybe Canada should cut off all ties with the USA, but it seems like an economically problematic move of course. Canada could find better allies and avoid the USA if it's serious in doing that. Yeah most people will disagree with me saying that Current Canada is better, but it is better in terms of domestic and foreign policy imo. Trump is making the USA look like a joke now. The USA was great under legendary Presidents like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ronald Reagan...not anymore. If there are americans upset with my comment, well that's too bad my friends, it's just my opinion. Sure, Trump is making the USA economy better, but his reactionary stance, his rages on Twitter, his deceit...it makes him and the current USA Politicans who support him look like jokers.


I'm not convinced he even makes the economy better. There are lots of things that can influence the economy, and it's not always something the current president is doing.

Please have Canada annex New England.

Annex the entire USA.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:59 pm

Canadians are gonna get stuck with a lot of unsold cars and car parts under this policy.
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The size of the borders makes it improbable. The provinces aren’t all lock and step so it makes it harder.
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Ethel mermania wrote:Canadians are gonna get stuck with a lot of unsold cars and car parts under this policy.


The NHL would collapse.
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USS Monitor wrote:
I'm not convinced he even makes the economy better. There are lots of things that can influence the economy, and it's not always something the current president is doing.

Please have Canada annex New England.

Annex the entire USA.


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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I'm not convinced he even makes the economy better. There are lots of things that can influence the economy, and it's not always something the current president is doing.

Please have Canada annex New England.

Annex the entire USA.

And move the capital to Sacramento.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:04 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:The size of the borders makes it improbable. The provinces aren’t all lock and step so it makes it harder.

Maybe Alberta can be the 51st state and the Great Lakes states become new provinces.
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