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Is Cultural Appropriation Bullshirt?

Yes
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No
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Rojava Free State
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Founded: Feb 06, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:24 am

Kaltovar wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:But you don't get it, it's part of their entire way of life now, they need to find something to get offended about and someone to catch being a wrongthink so they can get their daily dose of burning someone at the virtual stake!

How will they be an online ACTIVIST if they don't have any made up things to feel like they need to crusade against.

After all it's the only thing that gives their pathetic lives value.


I was like that as a teenager. I distinctly remember looking for things to get offended over, thinking that by doing it I could improve the world. Now I have a red flag with an iron cross and ancap colors on it to piss off every conceivable direction of the political compass.

Just give them some time and do what you can to make their ridiculous behavior uncool, and a lot of them will grow out of it. That worldview is honestly very unpopular with the youngest generation, who is coming to see it much the same way the kids of the 60s saw their authoritarian parents. There's a lot of parallels between the moral panic we're seeing now surrounding Political Correctness and cancel culture and the Inquisition against commies, gays, and non Christians we saw in the 70s.

"If you are not me, you are my enemy"
"It's okay to destroy the careers of people who hold different views than you"
"Anyone outside the tribe is not worthy of your friendship"
"There are giant conspiracies by the other side that permeate and control every aspect of our society"

I'm sure some wokester will point out how totally wrong and not okay those parallels I'm drawing are, because people in the 50s are the bad guys and they're the good guys.


I wish it was the 1950s they were hating on. They're hating on people alive today for saying things that for the most part are true. For example, the uncomfortable fact that the ancient Egyptians would not be considered to be black people in America today. the ancient Egyptians were physically alike in appearance with middle eastern people and southern Europeans and were genetically closest to the middle east. Their modern descendants today are the copts who are almost entirely of North African origin and they're considered to be Caucasian on the census. Most other indigenous North Africans also are considered caucasian. Don't say this in front of an Afrocentrist though, or some pseudo African named Kunte Kinte Matuba (real name Mark Johnson, but he changed his name to sound more african) who doesn't know the difference between the Zulu and the Ashanti, and who has never been to Africa in his life, will flip out and call you a white supremacist and say you're culturally appropriating from his people. Talk about gas lighting
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Kaltovar
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Founded: Jun 26, 2019
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Postby Kaltovar » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:18 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
I was like that as a teenager. I distinctly remember looking for things to get offended over, thinking that by doing it I could improve the world. Now I have a red flag with an iron cross and ancap colors on it to piss off every conceivable direction of the political compass.

Just give them some time and do what you can to make their ridiculous behavior uncool, and a lot of them will grow out of it. That worldview is honestly very unpopular with the youngest generation, who is coming to see it much the same way the kids of the 60s saw their authoritarian parents. There's a lot of parallels between the moral panic we're seeing now surrounding Political Correctness and cancel culture and the Inquisition against commies, gays, and non Christians we saw in the 70s.

"If you are not me, you are my enemy"
"It's okay to destroy the careers of people who hold different views than you"
"Anyone outside the tribe is not worthy of your friendship"
"There are giant conspiracies by the other side that permeate and control every aspect of our society"

I'm sure some wokester will point out how totally wrong and not okay those parallels I'm drawing are, because people in the 50s are the bad guys and they're the good guys.


I wish it was the 1950s they were hating on. They're hating on people alive today for saying things that for the most part are true. For example, the uncomfortable fact that the ancient Egyptians would not be considered to be black people in America today. the ancient Egyptians were physically alike in appearance with middle eastern people and southern Europeans and were genetically closest to the middle east. Their modern descendants today are the copts who are almost entirely of North African origin and they're considered to be Caucasian on the census. Most other indigenous North Africans also are considered caucasian. Don't say this in front of an Afrocentrist though, or some pseudo African named Kunte Kinte Matuba (real name Mark Johnson, but he changed his name to sound more african) who doesn't know the difference between the Zulu and the Ashanti, and who has never been to Africa in his life, will flip out and call you a white supremacist and say you're culturally appropriating from his people. Talk about gas lighting


Oh god, I think I know who you're talking about ... I'm part of a black gun owners group (not black, there because I'm a part of like every gun owner group and they're willing to have me) a term I picked up there is "Hoteps" and "Hoteping" ... It's a derogatory term for someone who spreads complete lies about African history similar to the lies Germans said about the mythical Aryan race. For example, not only denying Egyptians aren't what we would today consider black for the period of history you describe ... But literally claiming that people ranging from shakespear to "All the real Jews" are actually black and that the originally inhabitants of North America are also black (They hate Native Americans and claim they're pretenders.) Another word for the latter of these beliefs is "Black Hebrew Israelite" and those people have the most bizarre view of history imaginable. These people not only believe that there is a massive flat-earth style conspiracy to hide all these "Facts" and "Knowledge", but that any white person who doesn't believe them is either an ignorant racist or a diabolical sith lord in on the conspiracy - Any black person who doesn't believe them is ... All sorts of harsh racial language I won't repeat here for fear of being too rough for the NS forums, but suffice to say it's a much more impolite way of calling them uncle toms.

What gets me isn't that they hold these beliefs ... I think it's stupid but I think lots of things people believe are stupid. What gets me is how hostile and aggressive they are toward everyone who doesn't totally and immediately accept their view of reality. It's just so nonfunctional and damaging to everyone involved. Other black people hate them, and they don't get along at all with any of the racial groups they demonize (Jews, "white people" (which includes Hispanics a lot of the time), and sometimes Asians who are viewed as being somehow subservient to white people (which is absurd considering how blatantly false that idea is. Asians are some of the richest people with the highest rates of education and leadership in America, but in their view they're still "Under a white system" even if they're in a leadership role))

Man you really set me off mentioning that Egypt thing. The denial isn't what gets me, like I said, it's just ... How hateful and totally douchy they are to people who don't agree to abide by their fantasy. I'm just glad that most other black people see it for what it is, complete lunacy.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:05 am

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:They'll just have to deal with the fact that other people don't get offended by different stuff anymore, I guess.

But you don't get it, it's part of their entire way of life now, they need to find something to get offended about and someone to catch being a wrongthink so they can get their daily dose of burning someone at the virtual stake!

How will they be an online ACTIVIST if they don't have any made up things to feel like they need to crusade against.

After all it's the only thing that gives their pathetic lives value.

You're being far too hard on the "anti-PC" crowd. People getting self-righteous indignation over "SJWs" being offended is ridiculous, but it doesn't necessarily mean their entire lives are pathetic, just that they're pompous and annoying.
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South Ccanda
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Ex-Nation

Postby South Ccanda » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:50 am

Is Cultural Appropriation BS? Absolutely yes. Yep. Uh-huh. 100%. Wanting to live in modern western society (Foooor the most part) is about wanting to mix the best parts of all of our cultures and live our best lives. Yes, some people may be oppressed in today's age, I'm definitely not against that argument. I just think that not every white person should be seen as an oppressor and not every person of color should be seen as oppressed. It just opens up this nasty predator vs prey narrative that is no way, shape or form good for this country.

P.s. I just used some big words and I'm not even entirely sure I used them correctly, lol
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Erythrean Thebes
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:34 am

Most crucial thing people overlook about the cultural appropriation issue is that the objectors are angry to begin with. An intelligent human view of the issue requires that you see that these people speaking out are already stressed, anxious, frustrated, and feeling demeaned and humiliated. Seeing people of other nationality use their cultural artifacts triggers them and provokes them to lash out.
According to some lines of reasoning, could it still be an overreach against cosmopolitan and inclusive standards of democracy? I do think so. But you have to see that people who are raising an objection are people who are hurt and feeling agitated. I think from that point of view, the right approach becomes conciliation, dialogue, and engagement with the protesters rather than telling them to shut up for having no reasonable attitude
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Postby Kandorith » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:16 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:Most crucial thing people overlook about the cultural appropriation issue is that the objectors are angry to begin with. An intelligent human view of the issue requires that you see that these people speaking out are already stressed, anxious, frustrated, and feeling demeaned and humiliated. Seeing people of other nationality use their cultural artifacts triggers them and provokes them to lash out.
According to some lines of reasoning, could it still be an overreach against cosmopolitan and inclusive standards of democracy? I do think so. But you have to see that people who are raising an objection are people who are hurt and feeling agitated. I think from that point of view, the right approach becomes conciliation, dialogue, and engagement with the protesters rather than telling them to shut up for having no reasonable attitude


The most crucial thing people overlook is that people of a different cultural point of view are being "offended" in the name of another culture. Apparently I should be annoyed, pissed off and offended if people wear a kimono or use prints commonly used on a kimono. I think it's wonderful. The spirit of the kimono is to show beauty and your inner colours, sorry to tell you but people REALLY need to stop saying they are offended because other cultures MIGHT be offended.

Mostly a lot of these people do not even know any of the backgrounds or cultures they are addressing, honestly I am more offended by these people, telling other people they have to be offended because X culture. It is actually quite offensive to (pretend) to be offended on behalf of another culture.
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Postby Nantoraka » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:04 pm

Whenever people that aren't Taíno start dressing up as us and decorating like us, I absolutely love it.
People who cry out "cultural appropriation" I want to hit with something heavy.

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The Lone Alliance
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:You're being far too hard on the "anti-PC" crowd. People getting self-righteous indignation over "SJWs" being offended is ridiculous, but it doesn't necessarily mean their entire lives are pathetic, just that they're pompous and annoying.

There's a slight difference between the issues of most of the PC and the Anti-PC crowd

While they are similar in the sense they're also addicted to self righteous indignation, most of them aren't delusional enough to believe they're activists actually trying to make the world a better place... in fact some of them seem to actively want to make the world a worse place instead. (The Troll faction that is)

Though really SJW and Anti-SJW are interchangeable because they all have their own view of what is social justice and just believe that the other's cultural views of Social Justice is wrong.
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