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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:26 pm

Grahnol wrote:Greta Thunberg is pretty funny actually. Or rather her puppet players who likely are using her without her word or consent are. All they do is push her into spouting out emotional rhetoric knowing that all that people do is suck up to emotional rhetoric that makes them emotional and vulnerable. And when it's a teenager doing so, it's even better. Again, Thunberg isn't doing this voluntarily, at least in my analysis, she is being coerced and even forced to do so by other actors. She doesn't want to do this and she hates it. Her parents forcing her to become a mouthpiece for nothing but extreme environmentalist, not to mention exaggerated facts just to get political motives through just goes to show off what media people try to do just to get attention or to manipulate people into their ignorance.

Frankly, I'm actually kind of concerned about what's happening to Greta personally. I feel like if this is happening to her, a bunch of other awful things are being forcefully shoved into her life probably by her parents as well. Either way, she's being used as a tool to exaggerate the facts whilst ignoring vital information about climate change and pollution such as China, all likely against her will.

I love how you start off saying it's funny then go on to describe this horrifying scenario of mysterious people doing terrible things to an innocent girl. You obviously don't believe any of the shit you're saying or you wouldn't be calling it funny, you'd be calling the police. But you don't believe it, so you can have a little giggle.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:30 pm

Okay, so, for anyone in the thread who doesn't like (Read: Is terrified of) Greta, a 16 year old girl, do any of you have any actual arguments against her claims that climate change is a problem?

And before you answer: No, I am not asking what your problem with her is, I'm asking what your problem with her seemingly very reasonable positions are.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:59 am

Grahnol wrote:Greta Thunberg is pretty funny actually. Or rather her puppet players who likely are using her without her word or consent are. All they do is push her into spouting out emotional rhetoric knowing that all that people do is suck up to emotional rhetoric that makes them emotional and vulnerable. And when it's a teenager doing so, it's even better. Again, Thunberg isn't doing this voluntarily, at least in my analysis, she is being coerced and even forced to do so by other actors. She doesn't want to do this and she hates it. Her parents forcing her to become a mouthpiece for nothing but extreme environmentalist, not to mention exaggerated facts just to get political motives through just goes to show off what media people try to do just to get attention or to manipulate people into their ignorance.

Frankly, I'm actually kind of concerned about what's happening to Greta personally. I feel like if this is happening to her, a bunch of other awful things are being forcefully shoved into her life probably by her parents as well. Either way, she's being used as a tool to exaggerate the facts whilst ignoring vital information about climate change and pollution such as China, all likely against her will.


Oh hey someone else raving about how she's totally just a puppet.

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:01 am

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Grahnol wrote:Greta Thunberg is pretty funny actually. Or rather her puppet players who likely are using her without her word or consent are. All they do is push her into spouting out emotional rhetoric knowing that all that people do is suck up to emotional rhetoric that makes them emotional and vulnerable. And when it's a teenager doing so, it's even better. Again, Thunberg isn't doing this voluntarily, at least in my analysis, she is being coerced and even forced to do so by other actors. She doesn't want to do this and she hates it. Her parents forcing her to become a mouthpiece for nothing but extreme environmentalist, not to mention exaggerated facts just to get political motives through just goes to show off what media people try to do just to get attention or to manipulate people into their ignorance.

Frankly, I'm actually kind of concerned about what's happening to Greta personally. I feel like if this is happening to her, a bunch of other awful things are being forcefully shoved into her life probably by her parents as well. Either way, she's being used as a tool to exaggerate the facts whilst ignoring vital information about climate change and pollution such as China, all likely against her will.


Oh hey someone else raving about how she's totally just a puppet.

Everybody drink.

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Postby Albrenia » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:51 am

People taking environmentalism seriously is a good thing, so I say more power to her.

That she managed to trigger a bunch of powerful dillpickles with her mean words is just a tasty bonus.

As for if she's person of the year or not... I don't really care. It's just an award, not a statement of objective fact.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:48 am

Eh, personally I preferred the Hong Kong protestors myself. Don’t really mind that it’s Greta, I don’t have any strong feeling towards her one way or another.

Though Times probably would have gotten better publicity if they just did The Protestor again. It has been a good year for protests.
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Postby -Astoria » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:53 am

Ors Might wrote:Though Times probably would have gotten better publicity if they just did The Protestor again. It has been a good year for protests.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:37 am

Ors Might wrote:Eh, personally I preferred the Hong Kong protestors myself. Don’t really mind that it’s Greta, I don’t have any strong feeling towards her one way or another.

Though Times probably would have gotten better publicity if they just did The Protestor again. It has been a good year for protests.

Well, technically, Greta Thunberg also organized protests of her own, even if they weren't neccessarily anti-government or related to HK per se. The school strikes for climate though are indisputably a protest movement, so in a way, TIME did indeed pay attention to the Year of Protests.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:04 pm

Grahnol wrote:Greta Thunberg is pretty funny actually. Or rather her puppet players who likely are using her without her word or consent are. All they do is push her into spouting out emotional rhetoric knowing that all that people do is suck up to emotional rhetoric that makes them emotional and vulnerable. And when it's a teenager doing so, it's even better. Again, Thunberg isn't doing this voluntarily, at least in my analysis, she is being coerced and even forced to do so by other actors. She doesn't want to do this and she hates it. Her parents forcing her to become a mouthpiece for nothing but extreme environmentalist, not to mention exaggerated facts just to get political motives through just goes to show off what media people try to do just to get attention or to manipulate people into their ignorance.

Frankly, I'm actually kind of concerned about what's happening to Greta personally. I feel like if this is happening to her, a bunch of other awful things are being forcefully shoved into her life probably by her parents as well. Either way, she's being used as a tool to exaggerate the facts whilst ignoring vital information about climate change and pollution such as China, all likely against her will.


And your evidence for this mountain of lies is what, exactly?
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Grahnol wrote:Greta Thunberg is pretty funny actually. Or rather her puppet players who likely are using her without her word or consent are. All they do is push her into spouting out emotional rhetoric knowing that all that people do is suck up to emotional rhetoric that makes them emotional and vulnerable. And when it's a teenager doing so, it's even better. Again, Thunberg isn't doing this voluntarily, at least in my analysis, she is being coerced and even forced to do so by other actors. She doesn't want to do this and she hates it. Her parents forcing her to become a mouthpiece for nothing but extreme environmentalist, not to mention exaggerated facts just to get political motives through just goes to show off what media people try to do just to get attention or to manipulate people into their ignorance.

Frankly, I'm actually kind of concerned about what's happening to Greta personally. I feel like if this is happening to her, a bunch of other awful things are being forcefully shoved into her life probably by her parents as well. Either way, she's being used as a tool to exaggerate the facts whilst ignoring vital information about climate change and pollution such as China, all likely against her will.


And your evidence for this mountain of lies is what, exactly?

His "evidence" isn't worth a bucket of warm piss.

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Postby Stardust Crusdaers » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:24 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
And your evidence for this mountain of lies is what, exactly?

His "evidence" isn't worth a bucket of warm piss.


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Postby Rainbowsix » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:28 pm

trump in his rally whatever thing :P said he couldn't believe greta won person of the year and he thought he should win it every year... and he said it use to always be called man of the year.. not person of the year.. he thinks there should be a man of the year and woman of the year.. what do u all think? (without saying **** trump and all the bs i hear all the time preferably ;) )
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:33 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:trump in his rally whatever thing :P said he couldn't believe greta won person of the year and he thought he should win it every year... and he said it use to always be called man of the year.. not person of the year.. he thinks there should be a man of the year and woman of the year.. what do u all think? (without saying **** trump and all the bs i hear all the time preferably ;) )


Why should there be changes to placate is extremely fragile ego?

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:47 pm

Stardust Crusdaers wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:His "evidence" isn't worth a bucket of warm piss.


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