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[DRAFT] The Legislative Supremacy and Enforcement Act

Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:22 am

Please note that this draft is heretofore proposed for the purposes of establishing and enforcing the concept of legislative supremacy, in consideration of the fact that many World Assembly Members currently wish to pass or have previously passed legislative mechanisms which significantly further the policies expressed within General Assembly Resolutions, but, due to the absence of any Resolution within said Chamber that would allow a Member Nation to enforce the more complimentary legislation, Member Nations are relegated to being forced to circumvent better policy with the enforcement of weaker legislation, much to the detriment of the multitude of policy areas the G.A possesses jurisdiction in.






THE LEGISLATIVE SUPREMACY AND ENFORCEMENT ACT
Category: Regulation | Area of Effect: Legal Reform



DEFINING, “legal supremacy” as the preferential status of one one piece of legislation over another, given by a governing body which has been legally established as superior-in-effect over another in a shared jurisdiction, by virtue of that body’s status, despite the similarities between each piece of legislation, or the complimentary nature one piece of legislation may better share with the similar policies expressed in each;

FURTHER DEFINING, “enforcement” to mean the legal responsibility of a subordinate state to enact into law, legislation emanating from a governing body, superior-in-effect as defined above, despite the presence of more complimentary legislation, similar in nature to the presently superior policy, which emanated from the legislature, or other lawmaking body, of the subordinate state;

RESPECTFUL, of this Assembly’s status as the governing body, superior-in-effect, within the jurisdiction of international lawmaking;

NOTING, however, that said status often subjugates the national legislatures and governing executives of Member States into a position where they must either enforce legislation from this Assembly which, though similar to that which emanated from the subjugate lawmaking body, is otherwise weaker than the subjugate policy in question; or resign from the Assembly altogether in order to remove the legal responsibility defined above;

AS SUCH, THIS ASSEMBLY;

REJECTS, the paradox presented above;

RESIGNS, its status as the governing body of supremacy in cases where a Member State’s lawmaking entity and governing executive majoritarily agree that a piece of legislation emanating from its efforts, is superior to that which emanated from this Assembly, and otherwise meets the following criteria;

    - Is similar in effect and purpose to the legislation proposed by this Assembly,

    - Is, in the opinion of the lawmaking entity and governing executive of the Member State, complimentary to the Assembly’s legislative alternative, pursuant to the rules outlined above;

DIRECTS, Member States which now, or in the future, possess legislation which meets the rules, situational allowances, and criteria outlined above, to enact said legislation in lieu of the corresponding Resolution passed by this Assembly;

REMINDS, Member States that, in all cases which do not precisely meet the; rules, situational allowances, and criteria set forth above, the Assembly remains the governing body of supremacy, and as such, Member States continue to possess a legal responsibility to enforce Assembly legislation;

ALLOWS, governments, both subjugate and superior, to challenge the state of a legislation’s status under this Resolution via joint arbitration.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:07 am

(OOC: I don’t think this is legal on account of the contradiction rule. The ‘resigns’ clause states that member nations can ignore legislation if they have what is, in their opinion, a superior piece of law about the same topic. This means that any legislation passed by the GA could be overruled, which would mean that this proposal would be overruling prior resolutions, thus causing contradiction.)
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:07 am

Your proposal violates GA 2. And I observe that your overly grandiose and ungrammatical legislative style, which to me seems like it walked out of a sovereign citizen's pleadings, has changed not an iota.
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Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:32 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: I don’t think this is legal on account of the contradiction rule. The ‘resigns’ clause states that member nations can ignore legislation if they have what is, in their opinion, a superior piece of law about the same topic. This means that any legislation passed by the GA could be overruled, which would mean that this proposal would be overruling prior resolutions, thus causing contradiction.)


Indeed, I see your point, but not any legislation can be replaced or overruled, it must strictly meet the criteria set forth in the resolution, in addition, the resolution gives the W.A a fair and neutral avenue of appeal.
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Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:40 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Your proposal violates GA 2. And I observe that your overly grandiose and ungrammatical legislative style, which to me seems like it walked out of a sovereign citizen's pleadings, has changed not an iota.


How, pray tell, does this violate GA #02? If anything, it compliments the principles of sovereignty it espouses, and otherwise adds to it, indeed, if it didn’t go on to other topics, I’d say it would be a prime candidate for nation-based replacement under this proposal.

Complimentary companion legislation? Perhaps. A violation? I think not.

Additionally, how is my legislative style ungrammatical?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:41 am

Article 9 § Every WA Member State has the duty to carry out in good faith its obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law, including this World Assembly, and it may not invoke provisions in its constitution or its laws as an excuse for failure to perform this duty.

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Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:12 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Article 9 § Every WA Member State has the duty to carry out in good faith its obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law, including this World Assembly, and it may not invoke provisions in its constitution or its laws as an excuse for failure to perform this duty.


“Article 1 § Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.”

In addition, this Resolution does not instruct Member Nations to refuse to enact W.A legislation, nor does it instruct them to alter their constitutions to that effect. Moreover, the article you cite forbids Member Nations to fail, via way of legislative provision or constitutional alteration, in their duty to “carry out in good faith” their obligations.

The proposal, as it stands, does not allow any piece of legislation from a subjugate state to replace a W.A Resolution unless it fulfills the same purpose, and is forensically similar and complimentary to the Assembly alternative, thus, as the subjugate policy must, by default, assure the same spirit of intention, administration, and effect, as the W.A counterpart it proposes to stand in lieu of, the “good faith” requirement of GAR #02 - Article 9 is fulfilled, and there is no violation of the Resolution as it reads.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:59 am

If your interpretation is that nations are permitted to enact policies which can only be in compliance with WA resolutions, then the proposal does nothing. Member nations already have that power. There is no mechanism which directly writes into member nation law the specific terms of a WA resolution. All resolutions are in fact akin to EU directives, which direct member nations to achieve some end within some parameters, at times becoming restricting indeed, but directing nonetheless.

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:18 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:There is no mechanism which directly writes into member nation law the specific terms of a WA resolution.

OOC: Except the gameside message you get when a resolution passes, which some of us take to have that actual effect in IC.

All resolutions are in fact akin to EU directives

Except WA law is even less forgiving and gets applied directly, if national law disagrees with it, and to hell with national legislation slowness. Isn't that your whole point with the compliance committee?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:20 pm

Ara, the telegram supports my position. It says laws have been changed. That implies national laws are changed to implement the directives.

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:34 pm

Adriatican wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: I don’t think this is legal on account of the contradiction rule. The ‘resigns’ clause states that member nations can ignore legislation if they have what is, in their opinion, a superior piece of law about the same topic. This means that any legislation passed by the GA could be overruled, which would mean that this proposal would be overruling prior resolutions, thus causing contradiction.)


Indeed, I see your point, but not any legislation can be replaced or overruled, it must strictly meet the criteria set forth in the resolution, in addition, the resolution gives the W.A a fair and neutral avenue of appeal.

(OOC: Unlike the duplication rule, the contradiction rule makes a proposal illegal if any clause of any resolution is being contradicted. This would apply to potentially hundreds of clauses, and whether or not the WA has avenues of appeal is irrelevant.)
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Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:51 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Adriatican wrote:
Indeed, I see your point, but not any legislation can be replaced or overruled, it must strictly meet the criteria set forth in the resolution, in addition, the resolution gives the W.A a fair and neutral avenue of appeal.

(OOC: Unlike the duplication rule, the contradiction rule makes a proposal illegal if any clause of any resolution is being contradicted. This would apply to potentially hundreds of clauses, and whether or not the WA has avenues of appeal is irrelevant.)


I refer you to my response to the Imperium.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:56 pm

Adriatican wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Unlike the duplication rule, the contradiction rule makes a proposal illegal if any clause of any resolution is being contradicted. This would apply to potentially hundreds of clauses, and whether or not the WA has avenues of appeal is irrelevant.)


I refer you to my response to the Imperium.

(OOC: In that case, I cannot say anything more than what IA has said. If all you are doing is permitting member nations to create an identical law to what they are already obligated to follow, then this proposal has no effect on member states.)
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Postby Adriatican » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:58 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:If your interpretation is that nations are permitted to enact policies which can only be in compliance with WA resolutions, then the proposal does nothing. Member nations already have that power. There is no mechanism which directly writes into member nation law the specific terms of a WA resolution. All resolutions are in fact akin to EU directives, which direct member nations to achieve some end within some parameters, at times becoming restricting indeed, but directing nonetheless.


Though I appreciate your interpretation, my only recommendation to rectify your qualms is to either; suggest alterations to the proposal (other than destroying it) or simply refuse to endorse it once it is submitted.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:24 pm

OOC: I don't see how this could be legal. IA's argument is convincing.

Also, this:

“Article 1 § Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.”

Applies against nations. Not against the WA.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:54 pm

All this seems to be doing is reinforcing Article 9 of Rights and Duties. Duplication at its finest.
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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:31 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I don't see how this could be legal. IA's argument is convincing.

Also, this:

“Article 1 § Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.”

Applies against nations. Not against the WA.


OOC: Agreed both that IA's argument is convincing and the extent or GAR#2, Art. I.
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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Ara, the telegram supports my position. It says laws have been changed. That implies national laws are changed to implement the directives.

OOC: Which you have repeatedly mocked as magical compliance.

I agree with the whole duplication/no effect thing, don't get me wrong. It's just amusing to see you support my arguments for why the Wine And Crouton Conference (WACC) is unnecessary. :P
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:04 am

There's a large difference between 'it's magic' and 'if it is done, it would be done this way'. That you can't see that is peculiar.

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:02 pm

I'll stack myself on top of the pile, then. This is very illegal, by the brazen nature of its contradiction of GAR#2 and, arguably, its amendment/contradiction of every other WA resolution. And even if it weren't, this resolution would serve to singlehandedly destroy the body of international law this Assembly has spent a decade building.
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Postby Adriatican » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:56 am

Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Ara, the telegram supports my position. It says laws have been changed. That implies national laws are changed to implement the directives.

OOC: Which you have repeatedly mocked as magical compliance.

I agree with the whole duplication/no effect thing, don't get me wrong. It's just amusing to see you support my arguments for why the Wine And Crouton Conference (WACC) is unnecessary. :P


Everything aside, what in the world is the Wine and Crouton Conference?
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Postby Adriatican » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:59 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Leo stumbles into the chamber carrying a mostly empty half-gallon pitcher, with most of his gray suit covered in a wet vermilion stain, reeking of vodka, tomato, and clam juice. He picks up a copy of the draft proposal being presented and skims through it briefly before slapping it on his soaking wet sleeve. He dabs it a few times and then frowns.

"I say, the napkins upon which some teenage political philosopher has scrawled his failure to understand how the World Assembly works are spectacularly shitty. Can we not deploy serious paper towels and absorbent tissues in member states any longer? This is insufferable! I demand the re-stocking of all drinking establishments and public restrooms with disposable sanitary products capable of absorbing no less than half a shot glass per square foot of surface area! This," he growls as he holds the damp sheet of paper up for all to see, "is a disgrace to the World Assembly and all the peoples in it. We can and must do better."




OOC: My In Character verdict above may seem harsh, but as a number of others have stated, this proposal is a non-starter, for exactly the reasons given.


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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:16 am

Adriatican wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Which you have repeatedly mocked as magical compliance.

I agree with the whole duplication/no effect thing, don't get me wrong. It's just amusing to see you support my arguments for why the Wine And Crouton Conference (WACC) is unnecessary. :P


Everything aside, what in the world is the Wine and Crouton Conference?

(OOC: The WACC, normally referred to as the World Assembly Compliance Commission, is both a GA committee used in 472, 440 and 390, and the body that sends people telegrams whenever a resolution passes.

On another matter, are you continuing with this proposal? The current text has been deemed illegal, and will be impossible to fix without changing the core concept. To me, it seems that the best option is to pursue a different proposal idea.)
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Postby Potted Plants United » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:33 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Adriatican wrote:Everything aside, what in the world is the Wine and Crouton Conference?

(OOC: The WACC, normally referred to as the World Assembly Compliance Commission)

OOC: IA insisted that the actual name of the committee is "WACC" and not World Assembly Compliance Commission/Committee. In which case anyone can come up with whatever words they wanted the shorthand to stand for, and "Wine And Crouton Conference" sounded like the kind of thing that would be about as effective as committee name as "WACC". I'm all for having it officially called the World Assembly Compliance Commission/Committee, but if it can't, then I'm going to make fun of it. :P

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