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Postby Aeritai » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:57 pm

In October, Dr. Eve Krief watched from the window of her Long Island, New York, pediatrics practice, as around 20 women gathered on the lawn.

Armed with signs and banners with messages like, “We spread truth not disease,” the women — a group of anti-vaccine activists from New York and California — had come to protest Krief over her recent support for the 2019 state law that removed religious exemptions for vaccines.

Some of the protesters sat with signs, while others stuck anti-vaccine propaganda under car windshield wipers in the parking lot. Several approached parents entering the building with their infants, asking, "Are you vaccinating your baby?"

Krief had experience with these particular women. She recognized the group's leader, a local mother who had followed her to her car after a community meeting about proposed vaccine legislation a few weeks earlier. Krief said the bill's passage led to more intense protest from people who had been using the religious exemption to mask their personal preference not to vaccinate. They had also infiltrated her Yelp and Health Grades accounts, posting negative reviews, although they weren't patients at her practice.

But the in-person protests and the interaction with patients was another level.

"It's unsettling," Krief said, adding that her office is beefing up security measures in response.

For the anti-vaccination organizers, Krief’s unease was an indicator of their success.

“Needless to say,” one wrote on her Facebook page, “we rattled her cage just a bit yesterday with our presence.”

Opposition to immunizations was once largely limited to online bullying, but now opponents are increasingly taking their harassment tactics into the real world: aggressively following legislators and doctors and, in some cases, using physical violence.

But as opposition to vaccination has risen in recent years, so have cases of measles. Major outbreaks occurred in California and New York have spurred lawmakers in those states to strengthen vaccine mandates for school children. Reaction from anti-vaccine groups was swift and violent.

Online conspiracy theorist Austin Bennett livestreamed himself physically shoving the author of California's law, state Sen. Dr. Richard Pan. Bennett was later charged with a misdemeanor. The next month, Rebecca Dalelio, a participant at a protest at the California state Capitol, was charged with assault and vandalism when police say she threw a menstrual cup full of blood on lawmakers in the gallery.


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I have to say I am surprised that the Anti-Vaxxers decided to sink this low in order to stop vaccinations, I mean come on pushing a Senator? And then dumping blood on lawmakers is just silly, vaccines help prevent diseases and it also creates a herd immunity for people that can't get them.

And there shouldn't be religious exemptions to avoid having your child get vaccines, because nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about not taking vaccines. Though I imagine the anti-vax groups will continue to grow in numbers, and we'll see more of these harassments in the real world.

What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax Movement gone too far with these harassments or no?
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Postby Nakena » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:58 pm

Aeritai wrote:What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax gone too far with these harassments or no?


Yes. Mobilize the National Guard and lock them up.
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Postby Ampwattio » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:59 pm

Thank god for you bringing this up. The entire idea of not vaccinating your child is moronic and anti-progressive. This isn't the middle ages, and people need to realise that.

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Postby Estanglia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:00 pm

Aeritai wrote:What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax gone too far with these harassments or no?


Yes. Definitely. They went too far when they started spreading their lies and decided to put the lives of other people at risk over complete and utter bullshit.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:02 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Aeritai wrote:What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax gone too far with these harassments or no?


Yes. Definitely. They went too far when they started spreading their lies and decided to put the lives of other people at risk over complete and utter bullshit.


Daily reminder that ''spreading lies'' is still covered by the 1st Amendment.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:02 pm

The Pro-Disease movement represents the single greatest public health threat of the modern age. They are literally committing biological terrorism through their ignorance. This shit is dangerous and needs to be stopped before it spirals out of control.
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Postby Estanglia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:04 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Yes. Definitely. They went too far when they started spreading their lies and decided to put the lives of other people at risk over complete and utter bullshit.


Daily reminder that ''spreading lies'' is still covered by the 1st Amendment.


Doesn't change the fact that I consider spreading lies "going too far".

If you have to resort to outright, easily debunkable bullshit for your point to even remotely come close to credible, you've gone wrong somewhere. If you continue to peddle the bullshit, even after all the evidence that your bullshit is complete bullshit and is putting lives at risk, you've gone too far.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:04 pm

Nakena wrote:
Aeritai wrote:What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax gone too far with these harassments or no?


Yes. Mobilize the National Guard and lock them up.


This^

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Postby Aeritai » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:05 pm

Nakena wrote:
Aeritai wrote:What do you say NSG? Has the Anti-Vax gone too far with these harassments or no?


Yes. Mobilize the National Guard and lock them up.


Or have increased security around lawmakers and doctors
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:05 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Daily reminder that ''spreading lies'' is still covered by the 1st Amendment.


Doesn't change the fact that I consider spreading lies "going too far".

If you have to resort to outright, easily debunkable bullshit for your point to even remotely come close to credible, you've gone wrong somewhere.


Not far enough to be put in jail for it.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Estanglia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:08 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that I consider spreading lies "going too far".

If you have to resort to outright, easily debunkable bullshit for your point to even remotely come close to credible, you've gone wrong somewhere.


Not far enough to be put in jail for it.


I never suggested jail.

Roundly mocking them at every possible opportunity whenever they peddle their lies, ensuring their lies harm as few people as possible and punishing them when they do actions that are genuinely law-breaking (like assault and harassment) seems good enough.
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Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

Reploid Productions wrote:Two pages in... and everybody is pretty much agreeing that "This is fucking stupid!"? Dear gods, NSG agreeing on something?! I SPOTTED A UNICORN!!

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Postby Nakena » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:11 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Yes. Mobilize the National Guard and lock them up.


Or have increased security around lawmakers and doctors


In the end there needs to be security and surveillance everywhere as part of a reactive, passive strategy that is too coward and indecisive to deal aggressively with the problem by making both a stand and example. Because it fears the consequences of its actions more than anything else. This inconsequence kills and brings upon greater woes than decisive actions would. And that isn't limited to Anti-Vaxxers movement.

It's the peak of the permissive society and the end of the free one.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:20 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Yes. Definitely. They went too far when they started spreading their lies and decided to put the lives of other people at risk over complete and utter bullshit.


Daily reminder that ''spreading lies'' is still covered by the 1st Amendment.


You know what? After reading antivaxxers routinely troll, harass and give death threats to women who said they regret not vaccinating their dead children. Trolling and giving death threats to a woman who asked people to vaccinate their children since her child could not be vaccinated...….fuck them.

Their efforts are not simply spreading dumb fuck lies.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Daily reminder that ''spreading lies'' is still covered by the 1st Amendment.


You know what? After reading antivaxxers routinely troll, harass and give death threats to women who said they regret not vaccinating their dead children. Trolling and giving death threats to a woman who asked people to vaccinate their children since her child could not be vaccinated...….fuck them.

Their efforts are not simply spreading dumb fuck lies.


Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:26 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You know what? After reading antivaxxers routinely troll, harass and give death threats to women who said they regret not vaccinating their dead children. Trolling and giving death threats to a woman who asked people to vaccinate their children since her child could not be vaccinated...….fuck them.

Their efforts are not simply spreading dumb fuck lies.


Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


Ahh edgy time! I like it. :D What's next? You don't care?
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Postby Teachian » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:27 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You know what? After reading antivaxxers routinely troll, harass and give death threats to women who said they regret not vaccinating their dead children. Trolling and giving death threats to a woman who asked people to vaccinate their children since her child could not be vaccinated...….fuck them.

Their efforts are not simply spreading dumb fuck lies.


Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


You've been the only person so far to bring up jailing them. You're being obtuse.


I wouldn't be surprised if "anti-vaxxer" one days enters popular vocabulary as a synonym for extreme, irrational hysteria.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:28 pm

Teachian wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


You've been the only person so far to bring up jailing them. You're being obtuse.


I wouldn't be surprised if "anti-vaxxer" one days enters popular vocabulary as a synonym for extreme, irrational hysteria.


Rightfully so as some people here have advocated for such before.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:30 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


Ahh edgy time! I like it. :D What's next? You don't care?


You're right I don't. My rights trump your feelings.
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Postby Aeritai » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:32 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You know what? After reading antivaxxers routinely troll, harass and give death threats to women who said they regret not vaccinating their dead children. Trolling and giving death threats to a woman who asked people to vaccinate their children since her child could not be vaccinated...….fuck them.

Their efforts are not simply spreading dumb fuck lies.


Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


If the Anti-Vaxxers are just expressing their opinions, they have a right to, but if they use physical violence like what Mr. Bennett did. Then we'll have a reason to jail them.
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Postby Cedoria » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:33 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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Ahh edgy time! I like it. :D What's next? You don't care?


You're right I don't. My rights trump your feelings.

Indeed they do, which I why I do sometimes feel we should lock them up.
My right not to have my immunity compromised by these fuckwits outweighs their 'feelings' about not wanting their precious kid 'infected' and to clutch their idiotic security blankets about vaccines.

Their rights end when mine begin, and their 'rights' are killing people.
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Postby Cedoria » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:34 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah let's jail people for trolling just because they hurt your feels nothing can go wrong at all. :roll:


If the Anti-Vaxxers are just expressing their opinions cops can't jail them, but if they use physical violence like what Mr. Bennett did. Then we'll have a reason to jail them.


Being responsible for the death of children, even through negligent inaction, is still a crime in most jurisdictions. Particularly if there's a duty of care involved. Plenty of anti-vaxers fall into that category.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:35 pm

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Not far enough to be put in jail for it.


I never suggested jail.

Roundly mocking them at every possible opportunity whenever they peddle their lies, ensuring their lies harm as few people as possible and punishing them when they do actions that are genuinely law-breaking (like assault and harassment) seems good enough.

Pretty much this. Anti Vaxxers are a fucking menace but arresting them is not the right option here. Mocking the shit out of them and deplatforming them seems like a good first step in dealing with this pseudo science nonsense.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:35 pm

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Ahh edgy time! I like it. :D What's next? You don't care?


You're right I don't. My rights trump your feelings.


It's ok to discuss your feelings and tell us how uncomfortable you are about people saying mean things about anti-vaxxors.

It's ok. We know you don't care. You always announce that.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:39 pm

Cedoria wrote:
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You're right I don't. My rights trump your feelings.

Indeed they do, which I why I do sometimes feel we should lock them up.
My right not to have my immunity compromised by these fuckwits outweighs their 'feelings' about not wanting their precious kid 'infected' and to clutch their idiotic security blankets about vaccines.

Their rights end when mine begin, and their 'rights' are killing people.


Not how the US Constitution works.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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