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A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]
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Postby Zolkova » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:43 am

Hey there everybody! This is going to be the OOC thread for And the Red Tongues Wag, a diplomatic RP centered around the election of a new and controversial president, Oskar Krovopuskov. The thread's purpose is to establish diplomatic ties with other Nationstates nations...whether they be potential allies or foes, I just need some cool people to RP with. I'd like to do some spy/noir/secret agent RP at some point, where my nation primarily plays a villain role. Obviously I'll need other people to participate in order to accomplish that.

The thread's premise is simply that President Krovopuskov is a far right Eastern European nationalist who has just been elected, putting the western world on notice. There are accusations, albeit minor ones, that the elections were fraudulent, though the charges shouldn't be taken too seriously, as Krovopuskov garnered 65%of the popular vote. There will be an inauguration event as well as an opposing political event that will be shut down by the police and cause international concern. President Krovopuskov's political rival will at some point seek political asylum elsewhere...so plenty of opportunities for ya'll's nations to get involved.

If you're interested, just say so here, and provide a brief description of what kind of role your nation will play. I'll give the okay and you can throw a post up! Hopefully I'll be hearing from some of you soon!

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:48 pm

I think that the International Socialist Congress would be interested in supporting the USZ in this. We are willing to send emissaries, agents, and training cadre for the USZ.
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Postby Zolkova » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:43 pm

Awesome! Would love to have you involved on the USZ side of things. Post whenever you’re ready!

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:58 pm

Zolkova wrote:Awesome! Would love to have you involved on the USZ side of things. Post whenever you’re ready!


Working on it. Be aware there's dozens of us, so not sure who's going to take point on this just yet, but count us in. Likely we will send a CAIF (Corps Advisory Implementation Force) team that will assess the situation and how best to help the USZ take over and topple Krovopuskov. CAIF teams consist of a mix of special operators, intel officers, engineers, humanitarian aid workers, political cadre, propagandists, cyber operators, saboteurs and other relevant personnel, depending on the situation. They are the frontline of the ISVC.

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Postby Zolkova » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:42 pm

Sounds like it could make for an interesting conflict. Would definitely love to have more nations involved.

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:39 am

Zolkova wrote:Sounds like it could make for an interesting conflict. Would definitely love to have more nations involved.


Yep. That's one side down. Don't worry, there will be other takers.

Edit: I may have misjudged that. Here's a bump.

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Postby Zolkova » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:33 pm

Still seeking out participation unfortunately. This would be a good thread for nations who aren’t active daily. I have two days off a week to post on, possibly a third at max.

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Postby Carbare » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:53 am

Interested in supporting Krovopuskov.
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Postby Haessau » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:10 pm

I am interested. My nation follows a rather realist foreign policy, and isn't super democratic. Still at least part of the governing coalition would not approve of the new President. I imagine my nation playing a role of both expressing disapproval, but also offering friendship. There will also be some covert ops, but probably limited to intelligence gathering. I would also take in the Opposition leader.

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:17 pm

Haessau wrote:I would also take in the Opposition leader.


Totally up to Zolkova, but our group wants to actively work with the opposition leader which will be a lot tougher with him going into exile in your nation.

In any case, looking forward to some espionage and intrigue.

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Postby Haessau » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:16 pm

It might actually be more politically convenient to support the opposition with their leader in exile in a third country.

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:59 pm

Haessau wrote:It might actually be more politically convenient to support the opposition with their leader in exile in a third country.


Nah. But I'm not going to debate you on it right now.

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Postby Haessau » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:03 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
Haessau wrote:It might actually be more politically convenient to support the opposition with their leader in exile in a third country.


Nah. But I'm not going to debate you on it right now.


Good, because that isn't an invitation to debate. You may have missed a key word in that sentence might. Anyway the OP had suggested the idea of an opponent of the new president seeking asylum abroad. If that happens before, after or at the same time you are supporting the opposition has not been discussed. It might even be a member of a different faction of the opposition then the one you support.

There are a million ways to make it work, which is a more helpful way to think then just saying "nah."

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:31 am

Haessau wrote:
The Cardwith Islands wrote:
Nah. But I'm not going to debate you on it right now.


Good, because that isn't an invitation to debate. You may have missed a key word in that sentence might. Anyway the OP had suggested the idea of an opponent of the new president seeking asylum abroad. If that happens before, after or at the same time you are supporting the opposition has not been discussed. It might even be a member of a different faction of the opposition then the one you support.

There are a million ways to make it work, which is a more helpful way to think then just saying "nah."


We can disagree. You don't need to get snarky. Your statement was that it was 'more politically convenient' for that event to take place. Politically convenient for who? For you maybe and your nation's goals and for the nationalist faction and any other opposing factions. I say it's not 'convenient' for the faction we want to support. I can give you a 4 point answer as to why it's not convenient for the USZ. Yes, it's up to the OP. But I would advise him not to do that. That's part of what we'd like to discuss with Zolkova. And yes, if the other factional leaders exile themselves, it would be convenient for the USZ, but that was not the original point being made as far as I could tell. Maybe I just assumed we were discussing the leader of the USZ, but I didn't see any indication otherwise. You want to continue this, we can do it via TG. I wanted to avoid derailing what could be a fun RP, but maybe that ship has sailed.

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Postby Kazakah » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:58 pm

I'd be happy to join. I can see my nation supporting President Krovopuskov, while secretly maneuvering for political power
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:48 am

Seeing as there's been no action on this, we're going to bow out. Good luck to you all if it does work out. We got another RP in the works so we'll be busy.

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Postby Zolkova » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:38 pm

This kind of died out because I became too busy at the time to engage. Interested in taking another stab at this though if anybody's interested. The faster some other nations become involved, the more likely this will blossom into an active, consistent RP. That said, bump!

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Postby Welzat » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:49 pm

Zolkova wrote:This kind of died out because I became too busy at the time to engage. Interested in taking another stab at this though if anybody's interested. The faster some other nations become involved, the more likely this will blossom into an active, consistent RP. That said, bump!


Hey I am definitely interested in getting this going again! I have the time for it.
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Postby Zolkova » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:52 pm

Excellent! Do you have anything specific in mind?

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Postby Welzat » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:04 pm

Zolkova wrote:Excellent! Do you have anything specific in mind?


Well I would like to hear your ideas first afterall it is your RP
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Postby Zolkova » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:17 pm

Tell me a bit about your nation. I was reading through The Black March and I can see there's some sort of conflict going on in Welzat. I think I might even throw my hat into that RP if the thread hasn't gotten too busy for ya. But Zolkova is basically a corrupt Eastern European oligarchy. Internationally, they're militaristic, self-interested bad actors. How do you think Welzat would interact with them on an international scale? Are they a similarly "evil" nation or would they be adversaries do you think?

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Postby Cressageland » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:41 pm

I'd be interested in acting as a neutral, if sceptical observer of proceedings and potential mediator between the two sides (Ie how OTL western nations view a lot of southern/eastern european shenanigans)

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Postby Welzat » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:44 pm

Zolkova wrote:Tell me a bit about your nation. I was reading through The Black March and I can see there's some sort of conflict going on in Welzat. I think I might even throw my hat into that RP if the thread hasn't gotten too busy for ya. But Zolkova is basically a corrupt Eastern European oligarchy. Internationally, they're militaristic, self-interested bad actors. How do you think Welzat would interact with them on an international scale? Are they a similarly "evil" nation or would they be adversaries do you think?


Oh no you can definitely join the Black March it’s actually slowing down so some life in it would be good. Well we are actually similar in a way. My nation is ruled by a prince and basically the upper class has full command of society which is why the Black March is occurring as a sort of working class upheaval. Welzat is dominated by old money and old customs and is basically stuck in this cycle but isn’t “evil” just backwards in a way. Welzat would definitely support the president as it believes in keeping the status quo. Welzat is pretty isolated but recent pushes to open to the outside world are in the process. So maybe in this RP Welzat would send peacekeepers in your nation or whatever you need. What do you think?
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Postby Zolkova » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:06 pm

If you're not too busy at the moment, this is something I'm definitely interested in continuing. I'm about to add more to the original thread.

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Postby Zolkova » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:16 pm

Bump for interest. Looking for nations to comment on the civil rights violation just committed in Zolkova.


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