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Ziestheim
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Founded: Nov 10, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

I think I broke NS

Postby Ziestheim » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:17 am

My nation is an Autocracy, I have the policy and everything. Yet when I tried to get slightly better rights and freedoms the nation description says that it is an ''Authoritarian Democracy'' where the citizens are ''prohibited from doing almost everything except voting'' Which they are not allowed to do due to the ''Autocracy'' policy.

Basically, I broke NS. Am I happy? Maybe... Am I reporting this as a potential flaw in the NS system? Kinda I guess, although such a minor thing could be easily overlooked.

Nevertheless, no offence to NS and its creators. It's fun and I wouldn't be here for this long if it wasn't and I wish you all a great day.
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Rainbowsix
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Postby Rainbowsix » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:19 am

you just committed a big brain play i am proud of u :bow:
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Merni
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Postby Merni » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:22 am

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West Leas Oros 2
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Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:24 am

Ziestheim wrote:My nation is an Autocracy, I have the policy and everything. Yet when I tried to get slightly better rights and freedoms the nation description says that it is an ''Authoritarian Democracy'' where the citizens are ''prohibited from doing almost everything except voting'' Which they are not allowed to do due to the ''Autocracy'' policy.

Basically, I broke NS. Am I happy? Maybe... Am I reporting this as a potential flaw in the NS system? Kinda I guess, although such a minor thing could be easily overlooked.

Nevertheless, no offence to NS and its creators. It's fun and I wouldn't be here for this long if it wasn't and I wish you all a great day.

To be fair, the nation classifications system is pretty wonky, and is based more on your overall political freedom, civil rights, and economic freedom, as opposed to policies, which are relatively new. I remember a time before policies, and back then, classifications kind of meant something. Not that most people use NS Stats. I mean, how can the healthiest nations ingest over 100 bananas daily?
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Ziestheim
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Founded: Nov 10, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Ziestheim » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:54 am

True... Ingesting 100 bananas a day would infact NOT be healthy.

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West Leas Oros 2
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Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:55 am

Ziestheim wrote:True... Ingesting 100 bananas a day would infact NOT be healthy.

Just goes to show NS Stats are often meant to be humorous instead of serious.
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Ziestheim
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Founded: Nov 10, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Ziestheim » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:59 am

Not to mention the ''Pineapple Fondness Rating''

I am still confused by that one...

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Sjovenia
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Postby Sjovenia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:59 am

Ziestheim wrote:My nation is an Autocracy, I have the policy and everything. Yet when I tried to get slightly better rights and freedoms the nation description says that it is an ''Authoritarian Democracy'' where the citizens are ''prohibited from doing almost everything except voting'' Which they are not allowed to do due to the ''Autocracy'' policy.

Basically, I broke NS. Am I happy? Maybe... Am I reporting this as a potential flaw in the NS system? Kinda I guess, although such a minor thing could be easily overlooked.

Nevertheless, no offence to NS and its creators. It's fun and I wouldn't be here for this long if it wasn't and I wish you all a great day.


This literally does not matter, I too am an Autocratic nation but NS labels me a Democratic Socialist. Take NS stats as a grain of salt or if anything a base model for your nation to build upon. Your nation is yours to do what you will with it. It is not confined by NS except for the gaming rules.
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Ziestheim
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Ziestheim » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:03 am

It's still kinda funny though.

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West Leas Oros 2
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Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:04 am

Ziestheim wrote:Not to mention the ''Pineapple Fondness Rating''

I am still confused by that one...

We all know stoners love pineapples :p
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The united American-Isreali empire
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Founded: Apr 09, 2019
Capitalist Paradise

Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:08 am

Ziestheim wrote:My nation is an Autocracy, I have the policy and everything. Yet when I tried to get slightly better rights and freedoms the nation description says that it is an ''Authoritarian Democracy'' where the citizens are ''prohibited from doing almost everything except voting'' Which they are not allowed to do due to the ''Autocracy'' policy.

Basically, I broke NS. Am I happy? Maybe... Am I reporting this as a potential flaw in the NS system? Kinda I guess, although such a minor thing could be easily overlooked.

Nevertheless, no offence to NS and its creators. It's fun and I wouldn't be here for this long if it wasn't and I wish you all a great day.



Impressive sir!

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SherpDaWerp
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Founded: Mar 02, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby SherpDaWerp » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:35 pm

As for a proper analysis of what's happened:

The autocracy policy is an on-off flag that the editors code into issues. There is no requirement for an autocracy to have low political freedom (but it is highly unlikely).
So in the past, you've picked an issue that gave you the "Autocracy" policy, even though your political freedom is still 40.95. You are an autocratic nation with generally medium political freedoms. In my opinion, based on your nation's text etc, this is my analysis of how this works:
The Autocracy policy says "this nation does not hold democratic elections. The fact that you have a political freedom of 40.95 indicates that you hold elections, just not democratic ones. Furthermore, given that your nation says "prohibited from doing almost everything except voting, which they do timidly and conservatively", I'm inclined to believe this means your nation has elections, but they're coerced into voting for the same party.
This would indicate autocracy (as the elections are undemocratic), but because there are still elections, your political freedom is 40.95.

As for your classification, "Authoritarian Democracy", that's based off the three freedoms: Economic Freedom, Political Freedom, and Civil Rights. Your low civil rights (23.46), low economic freedom (-71.56), and medium political freedoms (40.95), indicate that you should be an authoritarian democracy per this chart:
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This chart/classification system also ignores the fact that you have the "Autocracy" policy active, as it is only based on the three freedoms. So your classification is correct as well.

TL;DR: By choosing specific options, you've managed to get Autocracy while still having medium political freedom. Your nation's text and classification ignore the autocracy policy and take into account the medium political freedom, so it sounds like you're still partially democratic even if you're not really.
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Berhakonia
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Founded: Apr 03, 2018
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Postby Berhakonia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:41 pm

So essentially NS being NS as usual

This is a non-issue
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:42 pm

It's actually not hard to reach medium political freedom on an autocracy. Freedom of speech counts for a lot in this game.

With political freedom that high, the poor overworked bureaucrats at the World Assembly get confused.

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Ziestheim
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Ziestheim » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:24 am

It's north korean "democracy" lmao, you can vote. But only for the same guy over and over.

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:01 am

Ziestheim wrote:It's north korean "democracy" lmao, you can vote. But only for the same guy over and over.
No, that's the opposite - nations that don't have the Autocracy policy but do have very low political freedoms. (I've successfully had a non-autocratic nation classified as a Psychotic Dictatorship once.)

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Australian rePublic
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:10 am

Dictatorships with sham elections are a thing. Even North Korea has elections. Just because votes aren't worth the paper written on, doesn't mean that people aren't given the illusion of voting. There's no reason why your autocracy can't have sham elections
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Merconitonitopia » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:38 pm

Your category is decided by the three freedoms (personal, economic, political). NS tends to classify categories with medium or high political freedom as democracies. Your nation happened to score medium on political freedom despite being an autocracy.

The category system has always been wonky in that Max made a few assumptions about the sorts of nations that will be placed in each category. For example, people in an Anarchy will always be described as living '...in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs,' even if the nation has a strong police force and low crime.
You also get things like socialist nations with no private enterprise being described as 'Capitalist Paradise.' (eg. https://www.nationstates.net/nation=heightsworth)
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