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Northumbrian independence

Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:26 am

I hope that this time we can have a reasonable discussion without people making nonsensical claims.

Northumbria is currently part of the United Kingdom, but once upon a time it was the dominant power in the British Isles. Northumbrians were doing stuff elsewhere, too. The calendar that says the year is 2019 was made popular by the efforts of first Bede and later Alcuin, both Northumbrians. Alcuin was a close associate of Charlemagne, and indeed there were a lot of Northumbrians around Charlemagne, and that's no surprise, because Northumbria was a centre of culture and learning.

In short, things were going pretty well for Northumbria.

Unfortunately, there were several civil wars and countless Norse raids. So when the Great Heathen Army invaded because some fierce Norse warrior supposedly got killed by an adder (hmm), Northumbria was defeated. Narrowly, of course. Despite being in the middle of a civil war (which we halted to fight off the invaders) we nearly won at York and if we had won York wouldn't be called York because that's the Norse name for the place. And Northumbria would have remained strong.

So, yeah. We lost. Northumbria was split in two once more, into the old divisions of Bernicia and Deira, which became a rump Northumbria and Yorkshire respectively. Yorkshire was then Norsified. This rump Northumbria was later separated into Northumberland and County Durham but Yorkshire stayed together and decided the Norse were actually cool and based its entire identity around that.

But even today there is a movement that seeks to give the Northumbrian people their voice, identity, and independence back. The Northumbrian independence movement.

What are your thoughts on Northumbrian independence, NSG? Personally, as a Northumbrian, I support it.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:28 am

And the evidence that there is majority support for this idea or even that there is likely to be majority support for this idea within a century or so is...?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:31 am

Rightful Neanderthal clay.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:31 am

More balkanisation? Why?
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:31 am

Vassenor wrote:And the evidence that there is majority support for this idea or even that there is likely to be majority support for this idea within a century or so is...?

The British education system has destroyed Northumbrian identity. If you asked the average Northumbrian who Bede is, they wouldn't know. So, yes, things are pretty bad right now. But that's why we need to take action and revive Northumbrian culture.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:31 am

We should build a wall around Northumbria, and Northumbria will pay for it.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 am

Neanderthaland wrote:Rightful Neanderthal clay.

Wrong.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 am

This reposted thread makes me wish the Vikings would come back and reconquer the place.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 am

I mean, I'm not averse to restoring the Heptarchy in England, all things considered, but memes aside I doubt it could go anywhere if it even had large support in the area it calls for the independence of.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 am

I fully support it.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:And the evidence that there is majority support for this idea or even that there is likely to be majority support for this idea within a century or so is...?

The British education system has destroyed Northumbrian identity. If you asked the average Northumbrian who Bede is, they wouldn't know. So, yes, things are pretty bad right now. But that's why we need to take action and revive Northumbrian culture.

What Northumbrian culture, exactly? Sing me your 10 favorite Northumbrian folk songs.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:33 am

New haven america wrote:This reposted thread makes me wish the Vikings would come back and reconquer the place.

How about you say "I wish the Nazis would come back and reconquer Poland" next time? That'll go down well.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:33 am

How about no.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:33 am

Marxist Germany wrote:More balkanisation? Why?

Because a lot of people have this weird idea that creating more ethnic/historical nation states is going to create world peace or something.

I cannot fathom where they get this idea from, and I don't really care enough to question it.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:34 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Rightful Neanderthal clay.

Wrong.

Oh, like you know for certain.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:34 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:This reposted thread makes me wish the Vikings would come back and reconquer the place.

How about you say "I wish the Nazis would come back and reconquer Poland" next time? That'll go down well.

Nah, I want the Czechs to conquer Poland next, as I don't think they've gotten their hands on it yet.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:35 am

New haven america wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:How about you say "I wish the Nazis would come back and reconquer Poland" next time? That'll go down well.

Nah, I want the Czechs to conquer Poland next, as I don't think they've gotten their hands on it yet.

Does Silesia count?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:36 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:This reposted thread makes me wish the Vikings would come back and reconquer the place.

How about you say "I wish the Nazis would come back and reconquer Poland" next time? That'll go down well.


Wow. Didn't even make it off the first page before the Godwins started flying. So much for the "reasonable discussion".
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:38 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
New haven america wrote:Nah, I want the Czechs to conquer Poland next, as I don't think they've gotten their hands on it yet.

Does Silesia count?

No. I'm talkin about a full scale Czech Empire here.

Like, the Czech Republic is little now, but I want it to be a big boy now.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:39 am

New haven america wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Does Silesia count?

No.

I'm talkin about a full scale Czech Empire here.

Bohemian Reichsody.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:How about you say "I wish the Nazis would come back and reconquer Poland" next time? That'll go down well.


Wow. Didn't even make it off the first page before the Godwins started flying. So much for the "reasonable discussion".

What do you want me to say? The Norse were totally cool and didn't do anything bad?

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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
New haven america wrote:No.

I'm talkin about a full scale Czech Empire here.

Bohemian Reichsody.

Now you're getting it.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 am

Bombadil wrote:We should build a wall around Northumbria, and Northumbria will pay for it.

Please try to be serious.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:And the evidence that there is majority support for this idea or even that there is likely to be majority support for this idea within a century or so is...?

The British education system has destroyed Northumbrian identity. If you asked the average Northumbrian who Bede is, they wouldn't know. So, yes, things are pretty bad right now. But that's why we need to take action and revive Northumbrian culture.

Northumbria has been English since the Normans, almost a millennia
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Wow. Didn't even make it off the first page before the Godwins started flying. So much for the "reasonable discussion".

What do you want me to say? The Norse were totally cool and didn't do anything bad?


You do realise that "Norse" and "Viking" are not really interchangeable terms, right?
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