[Query] Is a cannabis storefront in the GE&T forum okay?

[Palzerland]

Hello,
So I was wondering if having a storefront selling cannabis product in the GE&T forum does not break any rules. Legalized marijuana exists as a policy and the forum doesn't seem to have any storefronts with that niche. I wanted to check first to see its okay before I do anything.
Thanks.

[Farnhamia]

Hello,
So I was wondering if having a storefront selling cannabis product in the GE&T forum does not break any rules. Legalized marijuana exists as a policy and the forum doesn't seem to have any storefronts with that niche. I wanted to check first to see its okay before I do anything.
Thanks.

I'm going to say no. It is true that you can legalize marijuana in your nation but selling it could be taken by some well-meaning law enforcement personnel who do not understand that this is all fictional as being a real attempt by you to sell the stuff on-line.

[The New California Republic]

Hello,
So I was wondering if having a storefront selling cannabis product in the GE&T forum does not break any rules. Legalized marijuana exists as a policy and the forum doesn't seem to have any storefronts with that niche. I wanted to check first to see its okay before I do anything.
Thanks.

I'm going to say no. It is true that you can legalize marijuana in your nation but selling it could be taken by some well-meaning law enforcement personnel who do not understand that this is all fictional as being a real attempt by you to sell the stuff on-line.

But couldn't the same be said of the many gun and other weapon storefronts here? Given their use of images and realistic prices, wouldn't that also potentially cause issues?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Hello,
So I was wondering if having a storefront selling cannabis product in the GE&T forum does not break any rules. Legalized marijuana exists as a policy and the forum doesn't seem to have any storefronts with that niche. I wanted to check first to see its okay before I do anything.
Thanks.

I'm going to say no. It is true that you can legalize marijuana in your nation but selling it could be taken by some well-meaning law enforcement personnel who do not understand that this is all fictional as being a real attempt by you to sell the stuff on-line.

FWIW, y'all have ignored threads like these before, which are just for selling drugs, and many others in GE&T have listed drugs along with other illegal things for sale (slaves, murder for hire, all sorts of goodies).

[Farnhamia]

I'm going to say no. It is true that you can legalize marijuana in your nation but selling it could be taken by some well-meaning law enforcement personnel who do not understand that this is all fictional as being a real attempt by you to sell the stuff on-line.

FWIW, y'all have ignored threads like these before, which are just for selling drugs, and many others in GE&T have listed drugs along with other illegal things for sale (slaves, murder for hire, all sorts of goodies).

I stand corrected. Well, sit, actually. Never mind.

[Kyrusia]

For the record, here's our policy on stuff like this:

Upon review of the situation and the feedback provided by concerned players, the sale of items generally considered illegal in the real world in NS storefronts is not prohibited ... assuming the presentation meets the following criteria.

1. The storefront will be presented in a professional manner.

This can be taken several different ways. Either that the product will be presented in a manner established by the GE&T community to be acceptable for a storefront. Or, that It should be well formatted and well written. Whether the author chooses to write it as a near-literal "Weed-Mart" style, brazenly displaying their wares to the buyer, or as a more furtive, secretive establishment, is not our decision to make, but the writer's. As always, storefronts deemed to be spam, such as those not meeting the general standard set forth by the GE&T community, may be subject to lock. Note that this is not due to the specific product, but due to the presentation. Storefronts are, for all intents and purposes, RPs, and as such, while we do not generally enforce quality, a bare minimum of effort must be made to define it as not spam.

2. The presentation of narcotics will not exceed the PG-13 rule established by the site rules.

The same standards have been applied to the various slave market threads and appear to work well enough that they can be applied here. Some specific examples of what a narcotics storefront should not do are as follows.

• Provide an in-depth description of the narcotic's production, preparation, and/or use, especially when focusing on real-life narcotics. Completely fictitious narcotics may receive less stringent restrictions, so long as the descriptions are not paralleling a known narcotic. When dealing with real-life narcotics, any explanation on how to obtain, prepare or use the narcotic should be avoided. Attempting to circumvent this by substituting fake names for real life drugs is also unacceptable. If you want to refer to marijuana as "wackybacky", fine. If you do so and then explain how to make a "wackbacky" cigarette, you'll be in violation.
  
• Under no circumstances will images of people preparing, producing, procuring, or using narcotics be posted. A picture of a field of cocoa plants, fine. A picture of a group of people freebasing? No.
  
• If the store front appears to serve no other purpose than to see how "edgy" one can be in their product sales, it may be deemed spam and locked. There is a proper way to present this material, as there is a proper way to present any product in GE&T. Those who abuse this for the purpose of attempting to show how "badass" their storefront can be may find themselves without one.

As always, this list is non-exhaustive and the staff right to judge reports on a case by case basis is reserved. Owners of locked storefronts may appeal through the proper channels.

In short, we believe that you can handle the presentation of mature material in a ... mature manner; please do so. Should the presence of narcotics-based storefronts, or storefronts containing narcotic products, become a hassle, this ruling may be revisited, and the privilege revoked. Threads and thread types of a troublesome nature have, in the past, been banned when users showed they could not handle them in a responsible manner. While I, personally, do not foresee this occurring, you have been warned.

Obscure Policy Goat, away! *zoomies*

[The New California Republic]

For the record, here's our policy on stuff like this:

Upon review of the situation and the feedback provided by concerned players, the sale of items generally considered illegal in the real world in NS storefronts is not prohibited ... assuming the presentation meets the following criteria.

1. The storefront will be presented in a professional manner.

This can be taken several different ways. Either that the product will be presented in a manner established by the GE&T community to be acceptable for a storefront. Or, that It should be well formatted and well written. Whether the author chooses to write it as a near-literal "Weed-Mart" style, brazenly displaying their wares to the buyer, or as a more furtive, secretive establishment, is not our decision to make, but the writer's. As always, storefronts deemed to be spam, such as those not meeting the general standard set forth by the GE&T community, may be subject to lock. Note that this is not due to the specific product, but due to the presentation. Storefronts are, for all intents and purposes, RPs, and as such, while we do not generally enforce quality, a bare minimum of effort must be made to define it as not spam.

2. The presentation of narcotics will not exceed the PG-13 rule established by the site rules.

The same standards have been applied to the various slave market threads and appear to work well enough that they can be applied here. Some specific examples of what a narcotics storefront should not do are as follows.

• Provide an in-depth description of the narcotic's production, preparation, and/or use, especially when focusing on real-life narcotics. Completely fictitious narcotics may receive less stringent restrictions, so long as the descriptions are not paralleling a known narcotic. When dealing with real-life narcotics, any explanation on how to obtain, prepare or use the narcotic should be avoided. Attempting to circumvent this by substituting fake names for real life drugs is also unacceptable. If you want to refer to marijuana as "wackybacky", fine. If you do so and then explain how to make a "wackbacky" cigarette, you'll be in violation.
  
• Under no circumstances will images of people preparing, producing, procuring, or using narcotics be posted. A picture of a field of cocoa plants, fine. A picture of a group of people freebasing? No.
  
• If the store front appears to serve no other purpose than to see how "edgy" one can be in their product sales, it may be deemed spam and locked. There is a proper way to present this material, as there is a proper way to present any product in GE&T. Those who abuse this for the purpose of attempting to show how "badass" their storefront can be may find themselves without one.

As always, this list is non-exhaustive and the staff right to judge reports on a case by case basis is reserved. Owners of locked storefronts may appeal through the proper channels.

In short, we believe that you can handle the presentation of mature material in a ... mature manner; please do so. Should the presence of narcotics-based storefronts, or storefronts containing narcotic products, become a hassle, this ruling may be revisited, and the privilege revoked. Threads and thread types of a troublesome nature have, in the past, been banned when users showed they could not handle them in a responsible manner. While I, personally, do not foresee this occurring, you have been warned.

Obscure Policy Goat, away! *zoomies*

Many thanks for digging this out Kyrusia. It's helpful because I have been tempted for a while to make a storefront of narcotics from the Fallout universe. But I suppose I'd be doubly covered in that instance since all the narcotics that would be referenced are entirely fictional.

[Kyrusia]

Many thanks for digging this out Kyrusia. It's helpful because I have been tempted for a while to make a storefront of narcotics from the Fallout universe. But I suppose I'd be doubly covered in that instance since all the narcotics that would be referenced are entirely fictional.

I would say, generally speaking, fictional drugs - Jet, Mentats, etc. - do give you a bit more wiggle room (or more of a Buffout buffer, I suppose); I'd still just be careful to not go into detail about manufacture - specifically for Jet, which has a lot of similarities to real-world preparations of methamphetamine.

[Palzerland]

Great, thank you guys for clearing this up.

[Jebslund]

Many thanks for digging this out Kyrusia. It's helpful because I have been tempted for a while to make a storefront of narcotics from the Fallout universe. But I suppose I'd be doubly covered in that instance since all the narcotics that would be referenced are entirely fictional.

I would say, generally speaking, fictional drugs - Jet, Mentats, etc. - do give you a bit more wiggle room (or more of a Buffout buffer, I suppose); I'd still just be careful to not go into detail about manufacture - specifically for Jet, which has a lot of similarities to real-world preparations of methamphetamine.

Wait... Jet is meth? I always thought it was an inhaler...

[The New California Republic]

I would say, generally speaking, fictional drugs - Jet, Mentats, etc. - do give you a bit more wiggle room (or more of a Buffout buffer, I suppose); I'd still just be careful to not go into detail about manufacture - specifically for Jet, which has a lot of similarities to real-world preparations of methamphetamine.

Wait... Jet is meth? I always thought it was an inhaler...

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

[Kyrusia]

Wait... Jet is meth? I always thought it was an inhaler...

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

Should have clarified: it has similar adverse effects and stimulant properties to methamphetamine. Now I'm wondering if Jet shrooms are a thing...

Regardless: I think everyone gets what we mean about "being careful."

[Farnhamia]

Wait... Jet is meth? I always thought it was an inhaler...

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

Meth-ane, perhaps?

[The New California Republic]

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

Should have clarified: it has similar adverse effects and stimulant properties to methamphetamine. Now I'm wondering if Jet shrooms are a thing...

Regardless: I think everyone gets what we mean about "being careful."

And tbh, with the exception of Jet, the production processes of the smörgåsbord of in-game chems are never explained, which should also help with avoiding the problem of accidentally describing RL narcotics production processes.

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

Meth-ane, perhaps?

[Jebslund]

Wait... Jet is meth? I always thought it was an inhaler...

Jet is a gas obtained from brahmin shit after the brahmin had been fed protein extracts. It is said to be a variant of meth, but the production process is entirely different from what I understand from the lore in Fallout 2. To my knowledge meth is not a gas obtained from cow shit...

Huh. Never having played FO2, I just assumed it was a pre-war asthma inhaler on steroids. I know that I get light-headed if I overuse my Albuterol inhaler.

[Aredita]

Hello,
So I was wondering if having a storefront selling cannabis product in the GE&T forum does not break any rules. Legalized marijuana exists as a policy and the forum doesn't seem to have any storefronts with that niche. I wanted to check first to see its okay before I do anything.
Thanks.

I'm going to say no. It is true that you can legalize marijuana in your nation but selling it could be taken by some well-meaning law enforcement personnel who do not understand that this is all fictional as being a real attempt by you to sell the stuff on-line.

Hello, I am going to agree with the moderator as well. But, I was reading on the forum and it said if you have any questions you can send a telegram to any of these people: Aquitayne, Lamoni, Maltropia, Mokastana, or The Macabees. You should listen to the moderator but still check-in with those people (nations). Thanks!