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South America General: Coup in Bolivia and Chaos in Colombia

Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:09 pm

Due the massive influx of South America related topics over the past days and weeks I have blatantly and hilariously decided to create SAG - South America General.

Thus i am continueing the awful and terrible tradition of megathreads, altough I do not expect this one to survive beyond a few weeks. You may prove me wrong however. Since thread ownership isn't a thing on NSG this is just me getting the ball rolling.

It covers all South American related topics. Central america and Caribbbean can be optionally added. You can discuss here the lastest developments in such different countries such as Argentina, Chile, Bolivia or Brazil.

The Hot Topics of the days are the political crisis in Bolivia and Brazil. In Bolivia long-time President Evo Morales has resigned upon threats of a coups against his government and in Brazil President Bolsonaro is confronted with severe allegations regarding the murder of Marielle Franco in 2018.

Morales sauce: https://www.dw.com/en/bolivia-morales-w ... a-51180165

Bolsonaro Sauce: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... r-suspects
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm

I can't wait to see people talk about how a military coup against a democratically-elected government is actually a good thing. Fuck the right-wing opposition that's plagued Bolivia.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:I can't wait to see people talk about how a military coup against a democratically-elected government is actually a good thing. Fuck the right-wing opposition that's plagued Bolivia.

Fuck them, imprison them.
Also Imprison Bolsonaro-he's a criminal against humanity.

He's also a dictator-in-waiting, he is evil.

Bolivia was thriving before this, this is disgusting.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:19 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I can't wait to see people talk about how a military coup against a democratically-elected government is actually a good thing. Fuck the right-wing opposition that's plagued Bolivia.

Fuck them, imprison them.
Also Imprison Bolsonaro-he's a criminal against humanity.

He's also a dictator-in-waiting, he is evil.

Bolivia was thriving before this, this is disgusting.


Thanks to Morales, the Bolivian economy became the fastest growing in South America and one of the fastest in the world, quadrupling during his tenure. Thanks to Morales, poverty drastically disappeared in Bolivia. Fuck the cowards who decided to stage a coup against this man.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:19 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Fuck them, imprison them.
Also Imprison Bolsonaro-he's a criminal against humanity.

He's also a dictator-in-waiting, he is evil.

Bolivia was thriving before this, this is disgusting.


Thanks to Morales, the Bolivian economy became the fastest growing in South America and one of the fastest in the world, quadrupling during his tenure. Thanks to Morales, poverty drastically disappeared in Bolivia. Fuck the cowards who decided to stage a coup against this man.

It's treason.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:19 pm

The perfect thread to start my angry radicalization towards Marxist Peronism as South American neoliberalism refuses to go gently into that good night.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:20 pm

Liriena wrote:The perfect thread to start my angry radicalization towards Marxist Peronism as South American neoliberalism refuses to go gently into that good night.

I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Fuck them, imprison them.
Also Imprison Bolsonaro-he's a criminal against humanity.

He's also a dictator-in-waiting, he is evil.

Bolivia was thriving before this, this is disgusting.


Thanks to Morales, the Bolivian economy became the fastest growing in South America and one of the fastest in the world, quadrupling during his tenure. Thanks to Morales, poverty drastically disappeared in Bolivia. Fuck the cowards who decided to stage a coup against this man.

The dude's government turned Bolivia into one of the two islands of relative prosperity and progress in the sea of late-stage capitalist piss that South America has become over the past decade. Warts and all, he and his movement have my respect. They deserve better than the endless avalanche of two-faced bullcrap that the South American bourgeoise throws at movements like his.
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Postby Astrobolt » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:23 pm

How is this a coup? There were irregularities with the previous election, and they are going to hold a new one. It's not like the military is taking control - from what I can tell.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:23 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The perfect thread to start my angry radicalization towards Marxist Peronism as South American neoliberalism refuses to go gently into that good night.

I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?


Can't have the masses be inspired by a successful, peaceful, democratically-elected Socialist government to take a stand against the Neoliberal world order that's been continuously fucking them over for decades now, can we?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:24 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The perfect thread to start my angry radicalization towards Marxist Peronism as South American neoliberalism refuses to go gently into that good night.

I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?

It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time. Arturo Illia was not a socialist, but he was a very progressive Argentine president who had a fantastic government by Argentine standards... and for his good deeds he was rewarded with a coup.
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Postby Valtrona » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?

It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time.

But usually isn’t the U.S. involved in those?

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:25 pm

Astrobolt wrote:How is this a coup? There were irregularities with the previous election, and they are going to hold a new one. It's not like the military is taking control - from what I can tell.

:roll:
Sure because that's what a right wing military would legitimately do. :roll:

I suspect election tampering in their future.

So any new election would be illegitimate.
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Postby Palm Jumeirah » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:26 pm

so what are the odds for who becomes the next actual president of Venezuela? or the odds of a civil war breaking out?

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:26 pm

Valtrona wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time.

But usually isn’t the U.S. involved in those?


There's a fantastic chance the US is involved in this one, too.

And by fantastic I mean it fucking sucks.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Liriena wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?

It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time. Arturo Illia was not a socialist, but he was a very progressive Argentine president who had a fantastic government by Argentine standards... and for his good deeds he was rewarded with a coup.

So the military is undemocratic. Color me shocked.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Valtrona wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time.

But usually isn’t the U.S. involved in those?

Yes. And there's an argument to be made that they are at least indirectly involved, by way of the Organization of American States, who've enabled the coup while simultaneously stoking the flames of a new red scare.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Valtrona wrote:But usually isn’t the U.S. involved in those?


There's a fantastic chance the US is involved in this one, too.

Fucking Trump...
That piece of treasonous undemocratic dictator shit.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:28 pm

Yep, this is going to end well.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:28 pm

Liriena wrote:The perfect thread to start my angry radicalization towards Marxist Peronism as South American neoliberalism refuses to go gently into that good night.


What did you expect? It is the same reaction I have to Trump supporters being shocked that an entrench power structure, does not want to go away. You're going to have to dig them out of their comfortable bureaucracies with their sinecures and revolving doors.
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Postby Samadhi » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:28 pm

Didn't the guy try and get himself elected dodgily?
And like people protested.
And the military said were not going to go full socialist and kill civilians?
So the dodgy corrupt guy is standing down?
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valtrona wrote:But usually isn’t the U.S. involved in those?

Yes. And there's an argument to be made that they are at least indirectly involved, by way of the Organization of American States, who've enabled the coup while simultaneously stoking the flames of a new red scare.

Fuck Bolsonaro, fuck Macri, fuck Colombia's Leader, fuck Ecuador's leader, fuck Chile's leader, impeach them all.

We had something work for fucking once and people prospered, Bolivia especially needed it, they basically fucked over a people, this is against human rights.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's South American tradition: if a socialist (or even just vaguely progressive) South American government is actually good and can't be beaten in fair elections, then it's coup time. Arturo Illia was not a socialist, but he was a very progressive Argentine president who had a fantastic government by Argentine standards... and for his good deeds he was rewarded with a coup.

So the military is undemocratic. Color me shocked.

Not just the military. The police led the coup in Bolivia. And liberal parties here have a tendency to also be very authoritarian when opposed by popular classes or faced with a popular government. See: Piñera in Chile this year and Macri's violent repression of the protests against his social security reform in 2017.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:29 pm

Samadhi wrote:Didn't the guy try and get himself elected dodgily?
And like people protested.
And the military said were not going to go full socialist and kill civilians?
So the dodgy corrupt guy is standing down?

That's Maduro, I think.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm

Liriena wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:So the military is undemocratic. Color me shocked.

Not just the military. The police led the coup in Bolivia. And liberal parties here have a tendency to also be very authoritarian when opposed by popular classes or faced with a popular government. See: Piñera in Chile this year and Macri's violent repression of the protests against his social security reform in 2017.


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