[PASSED] Ensuring Commercial Vessel Navigation

[Bavmorda]

Being in the WA is a choice. Member states must abide by all legislation the WA passes, whether they like it or not.

I fail to see the relevance of this statement. You seem to be implying that I am attempting to bypass or circumvent the WA. I am calling attention to the serious failings of this resolution and the problems it creates. That is my right as a member of this body, as you say, whether you like it or not.

[Araraukar]

I am calling attention to the serious failings of this resolution and the problems it creates. That is my right as a member of this body, as you say, whether you like it or not.

OOC: A feature is not a failing. You can RP however you like; some people intentionally RP so that some resolutions cause serious issues with their nations, that's happened to me with Araraukar more than once. I'm always going to grumble about those resolutions, but I also acknowledge that I am the one creating the problem because I RP my nation a certain way.

"We understand elements of your concerns with regard to the release of classified undersea data, but believe that the language of the resolution provides sufficient leeway in the interpretation of which charts much be released to provide sufficient protections. As commerical vessels are only permitted these charts if granted your nation's authorization to operate, and must file routing information prior to receiving that authorization, it is our interpretation that only those charts relevant to the authorized operating area must be provided. This is no more than what is already expected in any developed nation, as no professional mariner would bring a commerical vessel blithely near the coast without information on safe passage, depth, and obstructions. If there are areas that are sufficiently classified or sensitive that you are not comfortable sharing navigational information, it is a simple matter to not authorize commerical traffic to enter that portion of your waters, and thus avoid disclosure."

IC: "What they said. Couldn't have put it better myself. Araraukar's national waters see a lot of traffic, what with our nation covering most of a peninsula¹ that international ship traffic needs to bypass, but we have assigned safe and quick routes for the ship to take and do not allow deviations from planned routes, unless the ship in question gets authorization from our coast guard. In return, we keep the route safe to travel, both in terms of physical hazards and pirates and whatnot, and get paid per tonnage of ship. The money is used for upkeep of coast guard equipment and personnel, as well as keeping the marine ecosystems outside the shipping lanes as pristine and undisturbed as possible."

OOC note¹: Think like RL tip of Indian subcontinent. Everything shipped from east to west or vice versa on that half of the globe, basically has to pass through there.

[Bavmorda]

The argument made here is very well spoken and very clear. This kind of clarification is not present in the resolution and that is my issue with it. What constitutes a commercial vessel is not clarified adequately. What information must be made available in the charts is not reasonable. The current wording can easily be taken to mean that all the listed information is required. The fact that all information must be constantly updated is not possible as it can take years to generate new charts. No standard format is established for what is expected.

This resolution is in desperate need of being amended before proceeding. In its current form it serves only to waste time and money attempting to micro manage member states that in most cases already have similar regulations in place to handle this matter. Is it the task of this august body to hamstring member nations with pointless bureaucracy or to help developing member nations grow in a safe and efficient manner. The resolution only achieves the former in this current form.

[Kaiserholt]

The Most Serene Republic votes Aye on this proposal, because if nations are going to invade member states, they deserve a clear and concise map on how to do so.

[Araraukar]

What constitutes a commercial vessel is not clarified adequately.

IC: "Exactly which bits does your ladyship have trouble understanding?"

What information must be made available in the charts is not reasonable.

IC: "It is the standard information required for safe passage of a ship. What exactly do you have a problem with?"

The current wording can easily be taken to mean that all the listed information is required.

OOC: Of course it does mean all of it; it's an "and" list.

The fact that all information must be constantly updated is not possible as it can take years to generate new charts.

IC: "Happily the resolution does not require constant updating, merely frequent. If nothing has changed in your territorial waters, then just change the year number on the charts and reprint them. Also, "frequent" is not given a numerical value either, exactly because we're aware of how making such charts can take years. If your "frequent" is once every five years, then it is frequent enough."

No standard format is established for what is expected.

OOC: Standard format of what?

This resolution is in desperate need of being amended before proceeding.

OOC: It looks like it's going to pass (over 12k votes cast and well over 90% for, currently), and can't be amended once at vote, anyway.

In its current form it serves only to waste time and money attempting to micro manage member states that in most cases already have similar regulations in place to handle this matter.

IC: That is pretty much what we're counting on, and which is why this isn't unreasonable for the majority of nations. It's simply codification of what the nations would already do, and a way to ensure that every commercial vessel sailing in your waters is required to have up-to-date charts AND communication and navigation equipment. We're making sea travel safer for everyone, your own ships included."

Is it the task of this august body to hamstring member nations with pointless bureaucracy or to help developing member nations grow in a safe and efficient manner. The resolution only achieves the former in this current form.

OOC: Given that you yourself said nations in most cases already have similar regulations in place, I don't see how it is such a big issue to you. And safety of sea travel is the whole point of the resolution. Efficiency depends on the nations drawing the sea charts, how efficient they want the commercial travel to be through their waters, but in most cases I would imagine the shipping lanes to be efficient enough.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Against

[Kenmoria]

Against

(OOC: Why? Would you like to explain why you are in opposition?)

[Kaiserholt]

Against

(OOC: Why? Would you like to explain why you are in opposition?)

OoC: More than likely national security concerns. Though I must say, if a nation is worried about incursions from the sea, they just need to invest more in coastal defenses.

[Yuruska]

The Yuruskan Leadership is favorable to the introduction of common nautical charts and routes, plus a standardization of the equipment on commercial vessel.
Taking into account those reasons, we, The Yuruskan State, will vote "For" the introduction of these measure and we will hope that every nation will hurry in the introduction of the new regulations.
Regards
The United Socialist States of Yuruska.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Why? Would you like to explain why you are in opposition?)

OoC: More than likely national security concerns. Though I must say, if a nation is worried about incursions from the sea, they just need to invest more in coastal defenses.

(OOC: Indeed, if a nation’s defences are so weak that merely revealing the shape of the coastline and topology poses a security risk, then I wonder if national security is really that big of a concern.)

[Terttia]

Ensuring Commercial Vessel Navigation was passed 11,876 votes to 2,056.

Vote Tally (for future reference).

[Araraukar]

Ensuring Commercial Vessel Navigation was passed 11,876 votes to 2,056.

Vote Tally (for future reference).

OOC: Yeay! *highfives*

IC: "Since your delegation gets the honors of the authorship, you also have the rather more dubious honor of buying everyone a drink in the Strangers' Bar. Just make it explicitly clear that it's one drink per person, or otherwise you may find your economy tanking faster than you can say "are you thirsty?"."