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[Draft] Ensuring Commercial Vessel Navigation

Postby Terttia » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:37 pm

Regulation | Transportation

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigational tools and techniques.

Emphasizing that a lack of nautical charts and nautical instrumentation can lead to an inhibition towards sea trade, causing drastic economic stress.

Hereby,

Defines:

  1. Nautical charts as charts that define the characteristics of a shoreline, the topography of a sea bed, the maximum and minimum depth of water according to the tide, and dangers to mariners.

  2. Nautical instrumentation on large commercial vessels as compass technology, a tide chart, and a measure of time to determine the tide.

  3. Nautical routes as routes in water that large commercial vessels travel through.

Mandates that member states:

  1. Create nautical charts that large commercial vessels can use to navigate nautical routes if present;

  2. Frequently update their nautical charts, due to the erosion of shorelines and changing of sea bed height;

  3. Share their nautical charts with civilian craft, so long that the member state grants them entry into their territorial water.

Requires that:

  1. All large commercial vessels bear a nautical chart and nautical instrumentation to warn the crew of the vessel of any nautical hazard that may be positioned in their path;

  2. The path of large commercial vessels be planned ahead of voyage to determine any nautical hazards;

  3. Mariners be cognizant of the vessel’s nautical instrumentation to alert them of any dangers that may arise during their voyage.
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Postby Terttia » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:39 pm

Terttia wrote:The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Shocked by member states’ refusal to chart sea routes, especially knowing the dangers of sea travel.

Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel over.

Further Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth.

Mandates that member states:

Form a navigation chart in which ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate water routes if present;

Frequently update their charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth changes.

Any suggestions, thoughts, additions, etc?
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:28 am

(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. Nautical charts are a potentially viable idea, but currently I don’t see how this ‘Regulation’. Also, bear in mind that mapping the ocean is an incredibly challenging task which could be near-impossible for some nations.)
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:43 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. Nautical charts are a potentially viable idea, but currently I don’t see how this ‘Regulation’. Also, bear in mind that mapping the ocean is an incredibly challenging task which could be near-impossible for some nations.)

I don’t see another category this will fit in.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:05 am

Terttia wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. Nautical charts are a potentially viable idea, but currently I don’t see how this ‘Regulation’. Also, bear in mind that mapping the ocean is an incredibly challenging task which could be near-impossible for some nations.)

I don’t see another category this will fit in.

(OOC: The general advice is to come up with a category near the beginning of a proposal’s lifecycle, before the legislation has even been written, and then to write the law around that choice. I think that ‘Free trade’ could work for this, if you emphasise the negative economic impact of sea routes not being charted, impairing the ability of member nations to trade via the sea.)
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:18 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Terttia wrote:I don’t see another category this will fit in.

(OOC: The general advice is to come up with a category near the beginning of a proposal’s lifecycle, before the legislation has even been written, and then to write the law around that choice. I think that ‘Free trade’ could work for this, if you emphasise the negative economic impact of sea routes not being charted, impairing the ability of member nations to trade via the sea.)

I believe this would have mild strength since it effects one specific area, correct?
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:21 am

Terttia wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: The general advice is to come up with a category near the beginning of a proposal’s lifecycle, before the legislation has even been written, and then to write the law around that choice. I think that ‘Free trade’ could work for this, if you emphasise the negative economic impact of sea routes not being charted, impairing the ability of member nations to trade via the sea.)

I believe this would have mild strength since it effects one specific area, correct?

(OOC: Yes, I believe this would have a mild effect.)
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:40 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Terttia wrote:I believe this would have mild strength since it effects one specific area, correct?

(OOC: Yes, I believe this would have a mild effect.)

Does this draft violate any rules?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:32 am

Shocked by member states’ refusal to chart sea routes, especially knowing the dangers of sea travel.

There is no seagoing nation, ever, since the days of wooden ships and sails, that has not had sea charts. That is inviting disaster. And to state nobody has or uses them is ludicrous.
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Shocked by member states’ refusal to chart sea routes, especially knowing the dangers of sea travel.

There is no seagoing nation, ever, since the days of wooden ships and sails, that has not had sea charts. That is inviting disaster. And to state nobody has or uses them is ludicrous.

Although my statement was somewhat ludicrous, what if a nation doesn’t have sea charts?
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:58 am

A related and more likely potential problem more worth covering might be nations not sharing their charts... but then we get into the whole "rights of passage" business (Which is probably worth a resolution in itself...) and probably lots of people shouting "But my national security!"
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:04 am

Bears Armed wrote:A related and more likely potential problem more worth covering might be nations not sharing their charts... but then we get into the whole "rights of passage" business (Which is probably worth a resolution in itself...) and probably lots of people shouting "But my national security!"

In that case, there can be a compromise that states that member states must share their charts with civilian craft so long that the member state gives them permission to use their waterways.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:19 am

“I’ve left some general feedback on the proposal in red.”

Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasizing the inhibition to trade via the sea with the lack of nautical charts which brings about drastic economic stress. I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Perhaps it would be clearer to say: ‘Emphasising that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition to trade via seas, causing drastic economic stress’. This is a more logical word order. Although the use of ‘seas’ sounds strange here, it is necessary given that the WA exists on multiple planets. I’m sure there is better wording possible, however.

Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel over. This definition would be better as: ‘Defines nautical routes as routes in water that boats and other vessels travel through’, as one doesn’t travel ‘over’ routes.

Further Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth. Also, for both of your defining clauses, you don’t use the terms anywhere in the proposal, which makes the clauses fairly pointless.

Mandates that member states:

Form a navigation chart in which ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate water routes if present; You want ‘that’ instead of ‘in which’. I suggest additionally using ‘create’ instead of ‘form’, and possibly pluralising ‘navigation chart’.

Frequently update their charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth changes. The word ‘changes’ at the end is unnecessary and should be deleted.

This proposal is overall good, and covers a plausible idea. Currently, I most worry about the applicability of this for nations that are landlocked.
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:33 am

Kenmoria wrote:“I’ve left some general feedback on the proposal in red.”

Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasizing the inhibition to trade via the sea with the lack of nautical charts which brings about drastic economic stress. I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Perhaps it would be clearer to say: ‘Emphasising that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition to trade via seas, causing drastic economic stress’. This is a more logical word order. Although the use of ‘seas’ sounds strange here, it is necessary given that the WA exists on multiple planets. I’m sure there is better wording possible, however.

Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel over. This definition would be better as: ‘Defines nautical routes as routes in water that boats and other vessels travel through’, as one doesn’t travel ‘over’ routes.

Further Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth. Also, for both of your defining clauses, you don’t use the terms anywhere in the proposal, which makes the clauses fairly pointless.

Mandates that member states:

Form a navigation chart in which ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate water routes if present; You want ‘that’ instead of ‘in which’. I suggest additionally using ‘create’ instead of ‘form’, and possibly pluralising ‘navigation chart’.

Frequently update their charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth changes. The word ‘changes’ at the end is unnecessary and should be deleted.

This proposal is overall good, and covers a plausible idea. Currently, I most worry about the applicability of this for nations that are landlocked.

Note that this is applicable to landlocked nations because the current draft says, “... can use to navigate nautical routes if present.” Also, I implemented your suggestions!
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:45 am

Terttia wrote:Also, I implemented your suggestions!

OOC: Have you posted the draft with them? Because your OP draft still has "forms" instead of "creates", for example.
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Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasising that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition to trade via seas, causing drastic economic stress.

Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth.

Further Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel through.

Mandates that member states:

Create nautical charts that ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate nautical routes if present;

Frequently update their nautical charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth;

Share their nautical charts with civilian craft, so long that the member state allows them entry into their sovereign water.

Is this ready to be proposed?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:22 pm

Terttia wrote:
Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasising that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition to trade via seas, causing drastic economic stress.

Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth.

Further Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel through.

Mandates that member states:

Create nautical charts that ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate nautical routes if present;

Frequently update their nautical charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth;

Share their nautical charts with civilian craft, so long that the member state allows them entry into their sovereign water.

Is this ready to be proposed?

No. Are you on a tight schedule? You just posted this yesterday, it’s been up less than a day.

Edit: your definition of what a nautical chart is way off base. Here is the NOAA definition and description.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/nautical_chart.html
Do not use their definition, that is plagiarism, but do use it to bring your own more in line with reality.
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Terttia wrote:
Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasising that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition to trade via seas, causing drastic economic stress.

Defines nautical charts as charts that define the course of water and the depth.

Further Defines nautical routes as routes in water in which boats and other vessels travel through.

Mandates that member states:

Create nautical charts that ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate nautical routes if present;

Frequently update their nautical charts, due to the changing of water flow and depth;

Share their nautical charts with civilian craft, so long that the member state allows them entry into their sovereign water.

Is this ready to be proposed?

(OOC: No, I don’t think that this is ready for submission yet, as it is only a very short period of drafting that has elapsed. As has been demonstrated by GH, there are still issues, some of which it could take a while to notice. Personally speaking, I still have some critique to offer on the legislation.)
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:34 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Terttia wrote:Is this ready to be proposed?

(OOC: No, I don’t think that this is ready for submission yet, as it is only a very short period of drafting that has elapsed. As has been demonstrated by GH, there are still issues, some of which it could take a while to notice. Personally speaking, I still have some critique to offer on the legislation.)

I’m interested in your critique.
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Grays Harbor wrote:
Terttia wrote:Is this ready to be proposed?

No. Are you on a tight schedule? You just posted this yesterday, it’s been up less than a day.

Edit: your definition of what a nautical chart is way off base. Here is the NOAA definition and description.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/nautical_chart.html
Do not use their definition, that is plagiarism, but do use it to bring your own more in line with reality.

I thank you for this, and I’ll update accordingly.
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Postby Terttia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 pm

Should this proposal also include that all vessels must carry a nautical chart?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:31 am

Terttia wrote:Should this proposal also include that all vessels must carry a nautical chart?

“All vessels” seems too ‘one-size-fits-all’, as that would then include weekend fishermen, water skiers, kayakers, ... pretty anything that floats. I would think “all commercial vessels” may be a better fit.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:24 am

Grays Harbor wrote:I would think “all commercial vessels” may be a better fit.

This is a "commercial vessel", along with rental paddleboards and kayaks and such. Not much room for charts aboard these.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:43 am

“And now, some wording and formatting changes.”
Terttia wrote:Free Trade | Mild

The World Assembly,

Realizing the dangers of sea travel, especially in the absence of proper navigation tools and techniques.

Emphasizing that a lack of nautical charts can lead to an inhibition towards sea trade, causing drastic economic stress.

Hereby,

Defines nautical charts as charts that define the characteristics of a shoreline and the topography of a sea bed, and can include dangers to mariners.

Further Defines nautical routes as routes in water that boats and other vessels travel through.

Mandates that member states:

  1. Create nautical charts that ships, with or without conventional navigation equipment, can use to navigate nautical routes if present;

  2. Frequently update their nautical charts, due to the erosion of shorelines and changing of water depth;

  3. Share their nautical charts with civilian craft, so long that the member state allows them entry into their sovereign water.

Requires that all large commercial vessels bear a nautical chart to warn the crew of any nautical hazard that may be positioned in their path.
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Postby Terttia » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:08 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I would think “all commercial vessels” may be a better fit.

This is a "commercial vessel", along with rental paddleboards and kayaks and such. Not much room for charts aboard these.
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Although that’s a rental boat, it’s used for recreational activities and such. Commercial vessels are used for commerce, such as carrying goods.
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