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Should zombies be granted rights?

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Athonuna
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:31 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:Zombies are just humans who are sick, and they should be cured as soon as possible.

The only, tiny issue with that is that 'as soon as possible' in this situation is a long time. Just sayin'.
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Postby Abject Ludicrosity » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:32 pm

Troyskova wrote:Do zombies fit the criteria to be granted basic civil rights? I believe they do. What are your thoughts?

Yes, to a point. They obviously can't be allowed to roam free, but at the same time, they ought to be cured if possible, and not treated as a murderer if they acquired the ailment against their will.

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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:32 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:
Oswen Ucha wrote:Zombies deserve the same rights as a serial killer, since they'd kill the same amount if they had the chance.

Aka none? Serial killers don't deserve rights either, they violate the NAP


Absent a post-scarcity society (wherein my consumption of a resource doesn't necessarily reduce the available of said resource to others), non-violation of the "NAP" is impossible. Ergo, all are condemned and rights don't exist.

This is an unacceptable outcome, so we should rather conclude that the NAP doesn't exist. Or, at least, that the version that begs the question by presuming a particular mode of scarcity resolution doesn't exist.
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:36 pm

Abject Ludicrosity wrote:
Troyskova wrote:Do zombies fit the criteria to be granted basic civil rights? I believe they do. What are your thoughts?

Yes, to a point. They obviously can't be allowed to roam free, but at the same time, they ought to be cured if possible, and not treated as a murderer if they acquired the ailment against their will.

And who's going to stop them from roaming free? The only sane solution is to get rid of them until a cure can be researched.
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Postby Allemonde » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:40 pm

No, they should be shot, beheaded and burned. Zombies aren't people, they're a evil menace of undead demons.
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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:40 pm

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:Aka none? Serial killers don't deserve rights either, they violate the NAP


Absent a post-scarcity society (wherein my consumption of a resource doesn't necessarily reduce the available of said resource to others), non-violation of the "NAP" is impossible. Ergo, all are condemned and rights don't exist.

This is an unacceptable outcome, so we should rather conclude that the NAP doesn't exist. Or, at least, that the version that begs the question by presuming a particular mode of scarcity resolution doesn't exist.

But shooting zombies and killing them all should still be legal and encouraged
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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:50 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:
Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:
Absent a post-scarcity society (wherein my consumption of a resource doesn't necessarily reduce the available of said resource to others), non-violation of the "NAP" is impossible. Ergo, all are condemned and rights don't exist.

This is an unacceptable outcome, so we should rather conclude that the NAP doesn't exist. Or, at least, that the version that begs the question by presuming a particular mode of scarcity resolution doesn't exist.

But shooting zombies and killing them all should still be legal and encouraged
/shrug


If zombies don't carry any rights. Which I'll grant they probably don't. But the NAP probably has nothing to do with it.

Trolly cars, on the other hand; that's where it's at. Where's the build trolly cars option?
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Postby Romextly » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:57 pm

Are you telling me that you want to give rights to a dead thing that will probably eat you when you try to give it the certificate. Sure that Einstein thinking! :(

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:00 pm

Yes, they have the right to receive medical treatment and eventually, a effective cure. Once they are cured, they shall be fully reintegrated into society with all of their privileges reinstated.

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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:55 pm

never they kill only

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:57 pm

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:never they kill only

The virus can be cured, if the political will for such research exists. Hell, I myself have managed to cure several million after being hit by the missiles.
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Should zombies be granted rights?

Postby Deacarsia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Allemonde wrote:No, they should be shot, beheaded and burned. Zombies aren't people, they're a evil menace of undead demons.


Exactly.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:30 pm

Only civilized zombies which eat cow, sheep, dog, and goat brains should have rights.

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Postby Japan and Pacific States » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:33 pm

Nope. And any notions like this are treason against the Shogunate.
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UHHHHHHH

Postby West Expon » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:36 pm

How do launch superweapons? I have my superweapons ready but it won't let me launch them.

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Postby Yahaba » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:36 pm

No, because I don't want and excuse me for my language, cockrot.
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why

Postby West Expon » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:37 pm

Seriously how do I launch superweapons?

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Postby Japan and Pacific States » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:43 pm

West Expon wrote:Seriously how do I launch superweapons?
You have to get someone else to cure you, your missiles only work on other people I'm sad to say
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:58 pm

Nobody has inalienable rights in Victorious Decepticons, only privileges. All Decepticon Citizens have full privileges as zombies as long as their mind-boards still work right. If they don't work right, we yank them into Debugging and fix that, just like with anyone else. This makes it so that a Decepticon zombie is even more deadly than a regular one, since he can keep functioning even if he gets blasted right through the engine.

Biological zombies also have the same privileges as regular biologicals here, which is to say, none. They were property in life and are property in death.

That said, overseers who might hold back from working a living human to death have no such restraint with zombies. Typically they are worked until they disintegrate too much to wield tools, at which point they are either cremated or are dried and ground up for use in Overseer's Zombie Dust, which is used to make zombies during seasons when they do not naturally rise.

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Wisea wrote:Not until they're cured!

I understand, but are zombies not humans? They still possess the capabilities of a regular human.

Those who are humans are treated like any other humans. Which is to say, they are put to work in our mines as slaves. Zombies just need body-control chips to get them to work, since they aren't capable of learning the regular ways.

Also, our human zombies do NOT possess all of the capabilities of a regular human. They cannot think. Brains degrade quickly after death, zombified or not, and our zombies are of the undead variety. Hence the need for a body-control chip to get them to do anything useful.

If a human can still think, we generally do not consider it to be a zombie even if it has managed to catch some weird disease. The Biological Research Division can cure any mere disease with the next update of its Immunity Patch.
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Postby Allemonde » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:21 pm

Damn it, I have more zombies than people. I keep getting infected by other nations in my region. I hate zombies.

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Postby The Fifth Federation » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:22 pm

Perhaps not.

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Postby Pratihara » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:16 am

They have a Certificate of Death and hence have been removed from the Register of Citizens. And if you're not one of use, you're one of them. That means DIE

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Postby World War Z » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:40 am

Graaaaa Nllllaaaaaa!

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Postby Holding Puppetry » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:42 am

Zombies? Given rights? Impossible! They can't even feel pain, suffering or have feelings, so they aren't really in need of rights.

However, they were people. If we cure them and turn them back into functioning citizens, they can be given their rights back. No man is guilty of being a zombie, too.

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Postby Big Octopus » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:49 am

Firstly cure 'em.
Example.
You and 3 zombies (they can participate in elections of course) are hungry and you are choosing that is your current meal.
I guess, that 75% of respondents will vote for brains.
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