The Iron Curtain: A Cold War RP (OOC, Reboot, Open)

[Arvenia]

I will see if I can post on the IC someday. I am going to get a new computer by Saturday this week. Then comes my long hiatus for the rest of this year, with brief activity by this year's last weekend (December 28th - December 29th).

[Asardia]

Updates

Roster changes

People's Republic of Albania: Cabana
Union of Burma: Cappuccina

Bruke reserved Ethiopia, and The Imperial Warglorian Empire reserved Finland and Sweden. I think that's it



Alright

Sure. You can control the communists and ultra-nationalists.

It's just that I don't know much about India and I don't really know enough to RP as them in my opinion. My main concern would be top generals and politicians

Country Name: Republic of China|中華民國
Head of State/Government: Head of State: President Chiang Kai-shek|蔣中正 , Head of Government: Premier Yan Xishan|閻錫山
Type of Government: Unitary Semi-Presidential Republic
Capital: Taipei
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Control Claims
Population: 7,981,454
Faction: NATO-leaning but not officially aligned
History: After working with the Communists against the Japanese in the Second Sino-Japanese War, the nationalists resumed their fight against their CPC rivals. Generalissmo Chang Kai-Shek mounted a massive offensive in North China with 1.6 Million men but was defeated. Despite seizing the CPC capital of Yan'an, the KMT was beaten back. The New 1st Army, regarded as the best KMT army, was forced to surrender after the CPC conducted a brutal six-month siege of Changchun that resulted in more than 150,000 civilian deaths from starvation. The Pingjin campaign saw the CPC win a major victory over the KMT, resulting in 520,000 men being either killed, wounded or captured. After the fall of Beijing to Mao and his army, over two million Nationalists retreated to Taiwan, where they now reside, awaiting the day they return to the mainland.

Accepted

I will see if I can post on the IC someday. I am going to get a new computer by Saturday this week. Then comes my long hiatus for the rest of this year, with brief activity by this year's last weekend (December 28th - December 29th).

If you don't mind me asking, what are your specs? I'm looking into building my own PC. And by the way things are looking, activity may slow down enough that by the time New Years arrives, not much will happen. I got a hint Dentali is dropping out as the USA, and since my absence last week, activity dipped massively

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EDIT: Anyone wanting to visit Warsaw can do so in their next post

[Panira]

What are the most prominent nations left? Because I might just create a faction if there's no one I'm that excited about (communist insurgency in the U.S., anyone?).

[Asardia]

What are the most prominent nations left? Because I might just create a faction if there's no one I'm that excited about (communist insurgency in the U.S., anyone?).

The USA player seems to have dropped out, so that should be wide open

[Panira]

What are the most prominent nations left? Because I might just create a faction if there's no one I'm that excited about (communist insurgency in the U.S., anyone?).

The USA player seems to have dropped out, so that should be wide open

Oh, shoot! If no one else has already, I'll take dibs on the U.S. should the original player drop.

[Asardia]

The USA player seems to have dropped out, so that should be wide open

Oh, shoot! If no one else has already, I'll take dibs on the U.S. should the original player drop.

Your reservation for the US will be maintained if Dentali drops. However I never got a full indication of whether that's happening, so I suggest looking into other nations /movements just in case. You said you wanted a communist insurgency in the US? How about playing my boi Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam? Just an idea

[Kargintina the Third]

What major events are going on right now?

[Asardia]

What major events are going on right now?

India has just started a civil war

[Kargintina the Third]

What major events are going on right now?

India has just started a civil war

hmm I suppose Taiwan could lend some volunteers to aid the anti-Commie factions.

[Kargintina the Third]

Taiwan will be sending 14,500 soldiers as volunteers to India to help the UN force.

[Asardia]

Taiwan will be sending 14,500 soldiers as volunteers to India to help the UN force.

Great. Once we get the USA figured out, the UN will be able to do more in India. But my main issue is that no one even tried to get a peaceful resolution to the crisis. There was a foreign intervention in a conflict that literally just started in a country which was not bound to either side, so...

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Country Name: Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea (North Korea or DPRK for short)
Head of State/Government: Kim Il-Sung
Type of Government: Socialist Totalitarian Autocracy
Capital: Pyongyang
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) North Korea (pretty obvious I would say)
Population: 9.7 Million
Faction: Warsaw Pact Aligned
History: Founded after the destruction of the Japanese Empire, the USSR quickly got to work establishing a working nation in North Korea, ensuring the large mining industry of the country could work as efficiently as possible. Kim Il-Sung, a Korean Socialist activist was made the head of North Korea, and he began to establish a very tight circle of power in the North Korean leadership, balancing Meritocracy and Loyalty. Such developments since the war have lead to a decent off nation with a lot of potential for its location.

[Kamchakta]

I am back, I need a brief. France has been AFK for so long I am sooo sorryyyy

[Bruke]

Country Name: Empire of Ethiopia
Head of State/Government: Emperor Haile Selassie I, Prime Minister Makonnen Endelkachew
Type of Government: constitutional monarchy
Capital: Addis Ababa
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here): The territory of Ethiopia at the time, prior to the federation with Eritrea in 1952
Population: 18,434,000 as of 1950
Faction: Non-Aligned Movement
History: History is same as IRL Ethiopia

I have apped

[The Felan Federation]

Taiwan will be sending 14,500 soldiers as volunteers to India to help the UN force.

Great. Once we get the USA figured out, the UN will be able to do more in India. But my main issue is that no one even tried to get a peaceful resolution to the crisis. There was a foreign intervention in a conflict that literally just started in a country which was not bound to either side, so...

Welcome to the Cold War.

[Asardia]

Country Name: Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea (North Korea or DPRK for short)
Head of State/Government: Kim Il-Sung
Type of Government: Socialist Totalitarian Autocracy
Capital: Pyongyang
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) North Korea (pretty obvious I would say)
Population: 9.7 Million
Faction: Warsaw Pact Aligned
History: Founded after the destruction of the Japanese Empire, the USSR quickly got to work establishing a working nation in North Korea, ensuring the large mining industry of the country could work as efficiently as possible. Kim Il-Sung, a Korean Socialist activist was made the head of North Korea, and he began to establish a very tight circle of power in the North Korean leadership, balancing Meritocracy and Loyalty. Such developments since the war have lead to a decent off nation with a lot of potential for its location.

Country Name: Empire of Ethiopia
Head of State/Government: Emperor Haile Selassie I, Prime Minister Makonnen Endelkachew
Type of Government: constitutional monarchy
Capital: Addis Ababa
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here): The territory of Ethiopia at the time, prior to the federation with Eritrea in 1952
Population: 18,434,000 as of 1950
Faction: Non-Aligned Movement
History: History is same as IRL Ethiopia

I have apped

A C C E P T E D

I am back, I need a brief. France has been AFK for so long I am sooo sorryyyy

1: Korean War will be delayed for a bit. I think we need that conflict to happen in order to restore interest
2: The Soviets and East Germans made a fool of themselves by prematurely accusing the west of assassinating a prominent communist
3: India's PM was assassinated in Geneva (while India and Pakistan negotiated the transfer of Kashmir), kicking off the Indian Civil War
4: The UN decided to send half a million troops to an independent non-aligned nation
5: Warsaw Conference is being done 5 years early
6: The above should be it

Great. Once we get the USA figured out, the UN will be able to do more in India. But my main issue is that no one even tried to get a peaceful resolution to the crisis. There was a foreign intervention in a conflict that literally just started in a country which was not bound to either side, so...

Welcome to the Cold War.

I'll see what I can do in order to preserve the populists.

[Asardia]

Ummm

If a nation the size of the USSR struggles to compete with smaller nations such as the USA and United Kingdom, then how can a nation like Korea become so successful?...We must think outside of the preconceived notions."
"What are you proposing Marshall Kim?" Asked Foreign Minister Pak Hon-Yong.
"An opening of Korea's economy. The creation of platforms to carry out actions with other nations, not just our communist brethren but also our western and third world counterparts. I propose the creation of three Special Economic Zones across Korea to allow controlled trade and access to all countries, these three Cities will be Nampo, Hamhung, and Chongjin. Here a restricted but somewhat capitalist model can flourish. Outside of these cities will exist the Korean economy. All industries will be divided into several companies, and each company must have atleast one Union/Worker representative per corporate representative on its board of directors. This will allow the workers to retain control of the company, whilst allowing for competition within all of our nations industries."

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Ummm

If a nation the size of the USSR struggles to compete with smaller nations such as the USA and United Kingdom, then how can a nation like Korea become so successful?...We must think outside of the preconceived notions."
"What are you proposing Marshall Kim?" Asked Foreign Minister Pak Hon-Yong.
"An opening of Korea's economy. The creation of platforms to carry out actions with other nations, not just our communist brethren but also our western and third world counterparts. I propose the creation of three Special Economic Zones across Korea to allow controlled trade and access to all countries, these three Cities will be Nampo, Hamhung, and Chongjin. Here a restricted but somewhat capitalist model can flourish. Outside of these cities will exist the Korean economy. All industries will be divided into several companies, and each company must have atleast one Union/Worker representative per corporate representative on its board of directors. This will allow the workers to retain control of the company, whilst allowing for competition within all of our nations industries."

Yes I know it's outlandish, but I pretty much just copy and pasted Lenin's New Economic plan but for North Korea instead of Russia. Honestly its the only way I see me actually being able to grow and develop much as a country.

[Asardia]

Ummm

Yes I know it's outlandish, but I pretty much just copy and pasted Lenin's New Economic plan but for North Korea instead of Russia. Honestly its the only way I see me actually being able to grow and develop much as a country.

Stalin diverged from Tito for pretty much the same reasons: differences in philosophy. Do you seriously believe the USSR would give aid to a country that is actively going against the official Soviet doctrine and aligning with the West? Stalin is the one in charge, not Lenin, so no matter how you'll spin it, Stalin would still be against this 100%. Kim Il Sung did not do this historically, and he had to deal with the devastation of the Korean War, which probably won't be occurring here. Anyway, the idea of Juche is the irl counterpart of this diversion from the original Marxist-Leninist philosophy, and that was just self sufficiency without relying on foreign aid.

But here's the thing: No Korean War means none of this happened:

The physical destruction and loss of life on both sides was almost beyond comprehension, but the North suffered the greater damage, due to American saturation bombing and the scorched-earth policy of the retreating UN forces.1 The US Air Force estimated that North Korea’s destruction was proportionately greater than that of Japan in the Second World War, where the US had turned 64 major cities to rubble and used the atomic bomb to destroy two others. American planes dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea -- that is, essentially on North Korea --including 32,557 tons of napalm, compared to 503,000 tons of bombs dropped in the entire Pacific theatre of World War II.2 The number of Korean dead, injured or missing by war’s end approached three million, ten percent of the overall population. The majority of those killed were in the North, which had half of the population of the South; although the DPRK does not have official figures, possibly twelve to fifteen percent of the population was killed in the war, a figure close to or surpassing the proportion of Soviet citizens killed in World War II.3

North Korea’s considerable economic achievements since liberation were all but completely wiped out by the war. By 1949, after two years of a planned economy, North Korea had recovery from the post-liberation chaos, and economic output had reached the level of the colonial period. Plans for 1950 were to increase output again by a third in the North, and the DPRK leadership had expected further economic gains following integration with the agriculturally more productive South after unification. According to DPRK figures, the war destroyed some 8,700 factories, 5,000 schools, 1,000 hospitals and 600,000 homes.8 Most of the destruction occurred in 1950 and 1951.

But here's the most important takeaway:

Yet through a combination of tremendous work and sacrifice on the part of the North Korean people, generous economic and technical assistance from the “fraternal” socialist countries, and the advantage of a pre-war industrial infrastructure more developed than that of South Korea, the DPRK soon achieved economic growth rates that far surpassed South Korea’s into the 1970s. In the late 1950s North Korea’s growth rate of total industrial output (averaging 39% between 1953 and 1960) was probably the highest in the world.

https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong ... ticle.html

So you still think you need to alienate the very people that allowed your country to exist?

[Asardia]

ah looks like we're going deeper into India. I'll make a post for both the ultra-nationalists and communists. While I still don't understand the UN's response, I'll see if I can have reps going to New York to basically say "this is our fight, please stay out of it".

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Yes I know it's outlandish, but I pretty much just copy and pasted Lenin's New Economic plan but for North Korea instead of Russia. Honestly its the only way I see me actually being able to grow and develop much as a country.

Stalin diverged from Tito for pretty much the same reasons: differences in philosophy. Do you seriously believe the USSR would give aid to a country that is actively going against the official Soviet doctrine and aligning with the West? Stalin is the one in charge, not Lenin, so no matter how you'll spin it, Stalin would still be against this 100%. Kim Il Sung did not do this historically, and he had to deal with the devastation of the Korean War, which probably won't be occurring here. Anyway, the idea of Juche is the irl counterpart of this diversion from the original Marxist-Leninist philosophy, and that was just self sufficiency without relying on foreign aid.

But here's the thing: No Korean War means none of this happened:

The physical destruction and loss of life on both sides was almost beyond comprehension, but the North suffered the greater damage, due to American saturation bombing and the scorched-earth policy of the retreating UN forces.1 The US Air Force estimated that North Korea’s destruction was proportionately greater than that of Japan in the Second World War, where the US had turned 64 major cities to rubble and used the atomic bomb to destroy two others. American planes dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea -- that is, essentially on North Korea --including 32,557 tons of napalm, compared to 503,000 tons of bombs dropped in the entire Pacific theatre of World War II.2 The number of Korean dead, injured or missing by war’s end approached three million, ten percent of the overall population. The majority of those killed were in the North, which had half of the population of the South; although the DPRK does not have official figures, possibly twelve to fifteen percent of the population was killed in the war, a figure close to or surpassing the proportion of Soviet citizens killed in World War II.3

North Korea’s considerable economic achievements since liberation were all but completely wiped out by the war. By 1949, after two years of a planned economy, North Korea had recovery from the post-liberation chaos, and economic output had reached the level of the colonial period. Plans for 1950 were to increase output again by a third in the North, and the DPRK leadership had expected further economic gains following integration with the agriculturally more productive South after unification. According to DPRK figures, the war destroyed some 8,700 factories, 5,000 schools, 1,000 hospitals and 600,000 homes.8 Most of the destruction occurred in 1950 and 1951.

But here's the most important takeaway:

Yet through a combination of tremendous work and sacrifice on the part of the North Korean people, generous economic and technical assistance from the “fraternal” socialist countries, and the advantage of a pre-war industrial infrastructure more developed than that of South Korea, the DPRK soon achieved economic growth rates that far surpassed South Korea’s into the 1970s. In the late 1950s North Korea’s growth rate of total industrial output (averaging 39% between 1953 and 1960) was probably the highest in the world.

https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong ... ticle.html

So you still think you need to alienate the very people that allowed your country to exist?

Thats great that the Korean war hasn't happened. Also it turns out I actually know about all the governing Ideologies involved with North Korea, including Juche, the Three Revolutions, and the 10 Principles of Kim Il Sung. Nothing you've brought here is new to me. But in fact it is a little misunderstood. North Korea was already facing stagnating growth in 1960, its growth rate had fallen quite a lot, and most of its growth during that time can be contributed to merely reconstructing the economy with the aid of the USSR and China, quite Un-Juche infact. But I should state that at the time of the 1950s the Workers Party of Korea was a Marxist-Leninist party and many important politicians at the time including Kim Tu Bong, Pak Hon-yong, and Hong Myong-hui were very interested in the works of Lenin and Marx. Regardless Lenin's New Economic Policy fulfills all the branches of early Kim Il Sung thought, allowing for the Three Revolutions Theory to take place and fulfilling the 10 Principles. In fact its even quite Juche, relying only on its own economy and trade to sustain itself and not overly reliant on any foreign power. Yes, Korea had different plans in place than I do in 1950, but I decided to pursue a different path because I wanted to avoid the Korean war, which is where much of the early growth came from (being that it was largely the construction of Arms Industry, Forts, and related military installations which were the bulk of construction projects). Instead I opted to pursue a new and more sustainable economic plan which would avoid the Korean War. Being that this is an RP and usually players are given the freedom to deviate from the Historical timeline, I saw fit to take the DPRK on a new Path quite different from our own timeline. If Stalin and Mao decide to leave me by the wayside just as they do to Yugoslavia, then so be it, its obviously happened with precedent in our timeline with the Sino-Soviet Split, and Yugoslavia and Albania leaving the Soviet Sphere.

[Asardia]

You know what, y'all can do whatever the hell you want. I'm dropping out

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

You know what, y'all can do whatever the hell you want. I'm dropping out

RIP, there goes my Scandinavia nation

[Kargintina the Third]

You know what, y'all can do whatever the hell you want. I'm dropping out

How do we have a RP without an OP?

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

You know what, y'all can do whatever the hell you want. I'm dropping out

How do we have a RP without an OP?

idk keep posting in the IC, page just won't be maintained. If someone else wants to copy everything over to a new page and starting OPing they can.