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Postby Solarist VZ » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:11 am

Sources: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/break ... transition
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DALLAS, Texas, October 23, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – The judge's ruling on the case of Jeffrey Younger, the father trying to save his seven-year-old son, James, from being “transitioned” into a girl, has been delayed until tomorrow.

On Monday, Judge Kim Cooks told the courtroom that she would read her ruling Wednesday at 1:30 p.m. The case was listed on today’s court schedule.

According to the court clerk, the ruling will be announced tomorrow. She refused to specify the time.

Judge Cooks’ ruling will outline the specifics of possession, child support, and the requests of Dr. Anne Georgulas, James’ mother. Dr. Georgulas and Mr. Younger have been in a complicated custody dispute over their twins, James and Jude. Dr. Georgulas has been telling James he’s a girl since he was three. She enrolled him in kindergarten as a girl named “Luna.” He uses the girls’ restroom and all of this classmates believe he is a girl.

Dr. Georgulas wants to subject James to puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones as well as legally force his father to treat him as a girl.

With a consensus of 11 of the 12 jurors, the jury decided Monday not to grant Mr. Younger Sole Managing Conservatorship over his twin boys. They voted that the current Joint Managing Conservatorship should be replaced by a Sole Managing Conservatorship, but that Mr. Younger should not be that person. The jury ruled on Mr. Younger’s petitions since he requested a jury trial. Judge Cooks will rule on the mother’s petitions and the specifics of the jury's ruling such as possession and child support.

Dr. Georgulas is asking the court to:

Limit the father’s consecutive overnight possession of both children and/or make his visits with the boys supervised if he fails to “affirm” James as a girl (“Luna”);
Enjoin Mr. Younger from engaging in non-affirming behavior and/or taking “Luna” outside the home as James or allowing others to do so;
Modify Mr. Younger’s possession on school nights when there are school-related activities that may occur during the boys’ stay with him;
Order the father to attend pro-transgender counseling and/or educational classes;
Enjoin Mr. Younger from signing James up for activities as James or referring to his son with male pronouns at any activity outside the home;
Enjoin the father from allowing James and Jude to remain in the presence of anyone who does not use James’ transgender name “Luna” or female pronouns, or who is otherwise not “affirming” of the seven-year-old’s transgender identity.

Multiple character witnesses for Mr. Younger testified that James presents as a boy when he is with his father and that they have never seen reason to believe James wants to be a girl.

Mr. Younger and Dr. Georgulas were in court last week fighting over custody and decision-making abilities for James and his twin, Jude. Mr. Younger argues his ex-wife is “transitioning” James against the boy’s will.

Dr. Georgulas, who brought the lawsuit, was asking Mr. Younger’s possession schedule be altered to decrease overnight stays and to force his visits with the boys to be supervised. Dr. Georgulas brought the original modification suit to the court and did not request a jury trial. Mr. Younger, in his counter-petition, asked for a jury trial. Since Mr. Younger requested the jury trial, the jury ruled on his specific request for Sole Managing Conservatorship and the judge ruled on all other aspects of the petition as brought by Dr. Georgulas.

She was also asking that Jeff be forbidden from calling his son James – his given and legal name – and that he be prohibited from bringing James around people who do not “affirm” James as a “girl.”

Mr. Younger was asking to be granted Sole Managing Conservatorship of the boys, meaning he would have had complete authority over medical, psychological, and other decision-making for the boys.

The jury did rule that one of the parents should be Sole Managing Conservator – but that it shouldn’t be Mr. Younger.

Before this case, Dr. Georgulas had complete authority over psychological care decisions for the boys. She was required to inform Mr. Younger of her decisions, but he did not have any say in her choice of care.

Last week, the arguments revolved around James’ diagnosis of gender “dysphoria,” medical records recommending he begin the process of preparing for puberty blockers, and expert testimony about the risks and alleged benefits of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

Mr. Younger is worried about Dr. Georgulas forcing a lifetime of misery on their son. Transgender-identifying individuals, even when encouraged in their confusion, suffer from more psychological issues than the general population, have shorter lifespans, and are more likely to commit suicide.

Expert witnesses testified to a child’s inability to fully comprehend the potential side effects of such therapy, such as permanent infertility, inability to ever naturally engage in sexual relations, and a decreased lifespan.

On Friday, protesters called on Texas lawmakers to pass legislation making it illegal for anyone under 18 years of age to begin a medical transition. They argued that children cannot fully understand the lifelong consequences of their decisions and parents should not be allowed to make this decision for their children.

Currently, there aren’t any U.S. laws that restrict the use of puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones or outline a minimum age of administration.

Dr. Georgulas testified today James and Jude are not actually biologically related to her. They were created through in-vitro fertilization and the couple used an egg donor.


My Opinion: This is horrible. There's no way to soft it. Although it isn't the first case of sexual transitions on kids sadly (David Reimer), just what is the reasoning to put kids that aren't in high school yet into the danger of ruining their barely-starting lives forever?. As lone observer i can only spread the news though.
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Postby Zapato » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:17 am

Jeffrey Younger is a bad man, a horrible abusive father, and a shit human being in general. Fuck him with a rake.


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Postby Mettaton-EX » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:18 am

lifesitenews is spouting bigotry and conspiracy theories as usual
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:19 am

I mean, the kid presenting as a boy when with dad means pretty much nothing. It comes down to what the kid actually thinks
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Postby Satuga » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:20 am

Personally I think there should be a legal age in which sexual altercation to the body should be placed, to prevent a child from being influenced by a parent into having a life altering procedure that they may in the future come to regret. I'm not too sure about this case but this is my opinion in general.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:23 am

Is there a source that isn't biased? Otherwise it may just be sensationalist rage-bait.

Zapato wrote:Jeffrey Younger is a bad man, a horrible abusive father, and a shit human being in general. Fuck him with a rake.


Is there evidence that the child's mother isn't just doing the same thing but in a different flavour?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:23 am

I think I've heard of this. This is the one where people are freaking out because they think a seven year old kid would be given puberty blockers. Because at seven there's definitely a puberty to block.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:26 am

I don't know if I trust life site news, but either way, children should not transition. Only adults should transition, not children who don't know what they're doing and probably are just trying to appease someone else.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:26 am

Judge and jury don't agree with the claim that the child is being "transitioned" against her will.

If you can demonstrate that they've been given compelling evidence and just ignored it because judge, jury and guardian are in a sadistic child abuse pact then sure, but otherwise I'll assume the simplest version of events.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:28 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I mean, the kid presenting as a boy when with dad means pretty much nothing. It comes down to what the kid actually thinks


Hard to find sources aside from the OPs but at least a couple basically state that the kid doesn't want to wear girls clothes and that the mother more or less just decided to start calling the kid Luna and treating them as a girl from the age of 3.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:29 am

the dad admitted in court that he was actively suppressing his daughter's choices btw

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Postby Satuga » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:29 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Judge and jury don't agree with the claim that the child is being "transitioned" against her will.

If you can demonstrate that they've been given compelling evidence and just ignored it because judge, jury and guardian are in a sadistic child abuse pact then sure, but otherwise I'll assume the simplest version of events.


I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed. If this is truly the feeling of the child then they should have no problem waiting and becoming a teen/adult until they make this decision. I don't know about you but when I was 4-9 I wasn't thinking about whether I wanted to change my gender or whether I wanted to bang the same sex. I just think they should wait until the child is at minimum consenting age to make this arrangement.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:30 am

So if a court of law disagrees the child is being forced against their will, does that imply the accusation is bogus or there's a secret pro-trans conspiracy brewing in notoriously liberal *checks notes* Texas?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:31 am

Satuga wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Judge and jury don't agree with the claim that the child is being "transitioned" against her will.

If you can demonstrate that they've been given compelling evidence and just ignored it because judge, jury and guardian are in a sadistic child abuse pact then sure, but otherwise I'll assume the simplest version of events.


I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed. If this is truly the feeling of the child then they should have no problem waiting and becoming a teen/adult until they make this decision. I don't know about you but when I was 4-9 I wasn't thinking about whether I wanted to change my gender or whether I wanted to bang the same sex. I just think they should wait until the child is at minimum consenting age to make this arrangement.


They're only seven, being on puberty blockers isn't all that big of a deal when there's no puberty to block. It's not like they're getting the reassignment surgery.
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Satuga wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Judge and jury don't agree with the claim that the child is being "transitioned" against her will.

If you can demonstrate that they've been given compelling evidence and just ignored it because judge, jury and guardian are in a sadistic child abuse pact then sure, but otherwise I'll assume the simplest version of events.


I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed

wearing different clothes and being called by a different name and pronouns is "life altering"?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:31 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:the dad admitted in court that he was actively suppressing his daughter's choices btw

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As I thought, he's actually just an asshole forcing his will on the kid. Funny how evidence works
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Postby Satuga » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:32 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Satuga wrote:
I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed

wearing different clothes and being called by a different name and pronouns is "life altering"?

That no, an actual procedure to change your physical body is.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:32 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I mean, the kid presenting as a boy when with dad means pretty much nothing. It comes down to what the kid actually thinks


Hard to find sources aside from the OPs but at least a couple basically state that the kid doesn't want to wear girls clothes and that the mother more or less just decided to start calling the kid Luna and treating them as a girl from the age of 3.

No matter what, age 3 is way too young for transitioning.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:34 am

Satuga wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:wearing different clothes and being called by a different name and pronouns is "life altering"?

That no, an actual procedure to change your physical body is.

are you also against puberty blockers when they're used to treat cis children with precocious puberty, or only when they're used to treat trans children?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:36 am

Satuga wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:wearing different clothes and being called by a different name and pronouns is "life altering"?

That no, an actual procedure to change your physical body is.


Which doesn't happen until 18.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:37 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't know if I trust life site news, but either way, children should not transition. Only adults should transition, not children who don't know what they're doing and probably are just trying to appease someone else.

So ban all children from going through puberty? I mean, if kids can't be trusted to know that they're trans then surely they can't be trusted to know that they're cis. When they're 18 they can choose what kind of puberty they want.
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Postby Satuga » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:37 am

Valrifell wrote:
They're only seven, being on puberty blockers isn't all that big of a deal when there's no puberty to block. It's not like they're getting the reassignment surgery.

I'm not too knowledgeable about puberty blockers but are you sure there isn't any long term effects on the release of bodily hormones?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:38 am

Shitty transphobic parent is shitty. Poor kid, being used as a political prop by the right.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:39 am

Age 3 is very early to start "affirming", the sort of age where it's incredibly easy to grow out of things. I worry whether the partner being an abusive arse has made the woman overly enthusiastic about a daughter rather than a son.

Being trans isn't easy, and going gung-ho rather than waiting it out and saying "well if you feel the same way in a few years" we'll do something doesn't seem smart. While it's not "permanent" there's obviously a reinforcement involved in saying "yes this is definitely a thing" and it reduces the chance of the child changing their mind.

Forcibly detransitioning a child who's been living as a girl for 4 years and giving an abusive asshat custody though, doesn't seem like something that'd help anyone.
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