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[DEFEATED] Repeal "Commend Evil Wolf"

Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 am

Repeal "Commend Evil Wolf"
Category: Repeal | Target: SC#169





The World Assembly Security Council,

Recognising Evil Wolf's efforts in combatting the spread of Nazism and Fascism,

Acknowledging, however, that Evil Wolf is a nation notorious for raiding and initiating coups,

Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent involvement in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping, in which Evil Wolf, other members of Lone Wolves United, and their allies, Aleister and Funkadelia, committed the following crimes:
  • Ejecting numerous native nations without a fair trial;
  • Establishing an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kitty;
  • Making several changes, such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the colours and symbols of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry to include the phrase "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; and
  • Appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United,

Decrying the actions of Evil Wolf that preceded and helped facilitate the aforementioned coup in Lazarus, which include allowing for the smuggling of foreign voters as part of a scheme to undermine the democratic process and lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening as part of the propaganda used to legitimise their coup,

Appalled by the contradiction arising from commending a nation that is the founder of a region condemned by this body in Security Council Resolution #74, Lone Wolves United: a region infamous for its coups in Feeders and Sinkers and which continues to raid and wreak havoc in undefended regions,

Observing that whilst the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe were noble and greatly cherished by the NationStates community, they do not justify a commendation on their own as the invasion of Nazi Europe was merely another griefing activity to add to its list, as indicated by several leaked telegrams between the leaders of Evil Wolf and German Dragons, in which Evil Wolf's leaders admit that the attack on Nazi Europe was nothing more than an opportunity to raid and was not ideologically motivated,

Further observing that the target resolution contains factual inaccuracies, such as a mention of Killer Kitty having been delegate of Lazarus in 2006-2007 for two terms, which is incorrect, as Killer Kitty served its first term in 2005 and its second in 2006, and never served as delegate in 2007,

Recalling that the previous commendations of A Mean Old Man and Sedgistan had been repealed after the former's involvement in a coup of Lazarus and the latter's lead of a coup in The South Pacific,

Dismayed by the actions of the commended nation in actively seeking to discredit attempts to warn natives of a coup in The East Pacific as 'lies' from 'conspiracy theorists', and the detrimental impact this had on attempts to prevent the crimes that were subsequently done, and

Discerning that the actions of the nation Evil Wolf, when considered, are not befitting of a commendation;

Thus, the World Assembly Security Council repeals Security Council Resolution #169, Commend Evil Wolf.
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Postby Sargon Reman » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:41 am

I noticed this when I wrote my resolution to Commend Minoa except even I had two or so people say something. I think if anyone had a serious problem they would say something by now but your proposal has only been up for a couple of days.
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:59 pm

Your points in the "Deploring" clause were all done by Aleister/Lamb Stone I believe, not Evil Wolf. Evil Wolf became delegate after Aleister had done all those things.
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Postby Praeceps » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:Observing that the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe had no significant impact as the region had already been evacuated and its nations had moved to another region,

Just wanted to comment on this specific clause. Would you be able to remove the specific mention of their successor region to avoid giving them publicity?

I edited it with a potential alternative wording.
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Postby Armaros » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:30 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:



The World Assembly,

Recognising Evil Wolf's efforts in combatting the spread of Nazism and Fascism,

Acknowledging however, that Evil Wolf is a nation notorious for raiding and starting coups,

Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent activities in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping; the activities included:
  • Lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening, and ejecting numerous natives without a fair trial,
  • Ratifying a new constitution that abolished democracy in the region and established an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kity,
  • Making several changes such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the flag of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry which included the following statement "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; subsequently followed by appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United,

What Kuriko said.

Appalled by the cognitive dissonance arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a Condemned region, Lone Wolves United, a region that continues to raid and wreck havoc in undefended regions, a region infamous for initiating coups in Feeders and Sinkers, and has recently been involved in a failed coup of The East Pacific,

Neither Evil Wolf or Lone Wolves United had anything to do with that coup attempt.

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been done through proxies and puppet states,

And this matters... how, exactly?

Discerning that a nation such as Evil Wolf, that participates in coups, raids, and is the founder of one of the most infamous raiding organisations should not be an example for nations to follow, and should thus not be commended, [/quote]
I appreciate you namedropping us as infamous.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:42 pm

Kuriko wrote:Your points in the "Deploring" clause were all done by Aleister/Lamb Stone I believe, not Evil Wolf. Evil Wolf became delegate after Aleister had done all those things.
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Give it time, you only posted the proposal 2 days ago. It takes time for people to see it, read it, and reply with their thoughts. Do not rush your drafting period, as that may be more detrimental than helpful.

I will look into that. And yes I wasn't rushing, just trying to get something going and it worked.

Armaros wrote:
Appalled by the cognitive dissonance arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a Condemned region, Lone Wolves United, a region that continues to raid and wreck havoc in undefended regions, a region infamous for initiating coups in Feeders and Sinkers, and has recently been involved in a failed coup of The East Pacific,

Neither Evil Wolf or Lone Wolves United had anything to do with that coup attempt.

The people involved were from LWU. I shall make clarifications.

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been done through proxies and puppet states,

And this matters... how, exactly?

Because from an IC perspective, we are commending a nation for the works of other nations.

Praeceps wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Observing that the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe had no significant impact as the region had already been evacuated and its nations had moved to another region,

Just wanted to comment on this specific clause. Would you be able to remove the specific mention of their successor region to avoid giving them publicity?

I edited it with a potential alternative wording.

I will make these changes.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:24 am

OOC: I have made changes as suggested.
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Postby Armaros » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:23 am

Making several changes such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the flag of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry which included the following statement "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; subsequently followed by appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United,

Again, this was Aleister. Evil Wolf only held the delegacy shortly before he was overthrown by Imki, and did not take these actions.
Appalled by the cognitive dissonance arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a Condemned region, Lone Wolves United, a region that continues to raid and wreck havoc in undefended regions, a region infamous for initiating coups in Feeders and Sinkers, and has had several of its members involved in a recent failed coup of The East Pacific,

"several" is an outright lie. It was a single member involved in the coup and we as an organisation had nothing to do with it at all. Trying to pin TEP on Evil Wolf or Lone Wolves United is just stupid.
Because from an IC perspective, we are commending a nation for the works of other nations.

That is the most ridiculous argumentation I have heard in a while. Time to repeal all those commends of defenders because all their defences were done through puppets, I guess.
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Postby Xoriet » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:25 am

Funkadelia and Lamb Stone are not members of LWU and were not at the time of this coup. Only Scardino was and is. One member of LWU.

You will find that an active Khalif (officer) of LWU who is the driving force behind almost all of their raids opposed the coup.

Additionally, just as Lamb and Funk are former members of LWU, other former members and leaders of LWU were involved in opposing the coup.

Evil Wolf had no involvement in either side.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:43 am

Removed references to TEP.

Armaros wrote:
Making several changes such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the flag of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry which included the following statement "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; subsequently followed by appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United,

Again, this was Aleister. Evil Wolf only held the delegacy shortly before he was overthrown by Imki, and did not take these actions.


OOC:Ahem:
In which Evil Wolf, its allies Aleister and Funkadelia, and other members of Lone Wolves United committed the following crimes:

Because from an IC perspective, we are commending a nation for the works of other nations.

That is the most ridiculous argumentation I have heard in a while. Time to repeal all those commends of defenders because all their defences were done through puppets, I guess.

OOC: If anyone else finds a problem with this I'll remove it.
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Postby Maowi » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:54 am

I can't help in much other than grammar here.
Marxist Germany wrote:
The World Assembly,

Recognising Evil Wolf's efforts in combatting the spread of Nazism and Fascism,

Acknowledging, however, that Evil Wolf is a nation notorious for raiding and starting coups, (added comma)

Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent involvement in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping;, Iin which Evil Wolf, its allies Aleister and Funkadelia, and other members of Lone Wolves United committed the following crimes:
  • Lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening, and ejecting numerous natives without a fair trial, I'd advise ending these with semicolons and not commas, as they're quite long and contain commas within them - this would aid clarity
  • Ratifying a new constitution that abolished democracy in the region and established an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kity,
    Making several changes such as declaring Lazarus a "Khanate" and flying a flag derived from the flag of Lone Wolves United, followed thereafter by changing the World Factbook Entry which included to include the following statement phrase "the Dictatorship of the Raider"; subsequently followed by and then appointing regional officers from the Condemned raiding region Lone Wolves United, you missed out the bullet point at the start of this

Appalled by the cognitive dissonance arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a Condemned region, Lone Wolves United, a region that continues to raid and wreck havoc in undefended regions, a region and is infamous for initiating coups in Feeders and Sinkers,

Observing that the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe had no significant impact as the region had already been evacuated and its nations had moved to Nazi Europa,

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been done carried out through proxies and puppet states, (that one's just a suggestion. Your current wording is a little awkward.)

Discerning that a nation such as Evil Wolf, that participates in coups, raids, and is the founder of one of the most infamous raiding organisations should not be an example for nations to follow, and should thus not be commended, (removed comma)

Hereby,

Repeals Security Council Resolution #169, Commend Evil Wolf.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:35 am

OOC: Fixed all.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:31 am

Xoriet wrote:Funkadelia and Lamb Stone are not members of LWU and were not at the time of this coup. Only Scardino was and is. One member of LWU.

You will find that an active Khalif (officer) of LWU who is the driving force behind almost all of their raids opposed the coup.

Additionally, just as Lamb and Funk are former members of LWU, other former members and leaders of LWU were involved in opposing the coup.

Evil Wolf had no involvement in either side.


This has been claimed in the past when Armaros and EW were playing their 'nothing to see here' attempt at labelling the warnings of the impending coup as 'conspiracy' and 'lies'. Just because they didn't control the buttons, doesn't mean they didn't play their part. Time to start calling out those who pushed that agenda (and apparently those who are still seeking to).

I would therefore suggest the following wording:

Noting the actions of the commended nation, in actively seeking to discredit attempts to warn natives of the East Pacific of the attempted coup as 'lies' from 'conspiracy theorists', and the detrimental impact this had on attempts to prevent the crimes that were subsequently committed,

Observing the repeated patterns of behavior of the commended nation and those that they align themselves with, and also noting that their region, Lone Wolves United has been a breeding ground for these unsavoury activities,


I would also suggest that the final 'Discerning' paragraph is a bit too general and should be focused on the subject nation only:

Discerning that the actions of thea nation such as Evil Wolf when considered holistically, that participates in coups, raids, and is the founder of one of the most infamous raiding organisations should not be an example for nations to follow, are not befitting of commendationand should thus not be commended,
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:03 pm

OOC: Changes made.
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Postby McMasterdonia » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:31 pm

Even though the original resolution mentions me by name in a way I've always found kind of funny, I think you will struggle to pass this. Evil Wolf is a really unique character in the R/D sphere and his commendations reflects the diversity of the positive contributions he has made. An alternative option (which may have already been suggested) would be for you to take the text from this resolution and rework it to pass a Condemnation of Evil Wolf, which would probably pass.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 am

You might also want to directly reference the LWU condemnation for easy reference, will be more informative for readers - https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=2
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue May 26, 2020 5:30 am

OOC: I have fleshed out this proposal as I will be pursuing this repeal attempt, and consequentially will be submitting this in the next few days; any additional feedback will be helpful.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue May 26, 2020 6:02 am

If you're after more evidence of Evil Wolf being evil, there's this example. I don't recall the exact dates, but roughly speaking - in 2008 Evil Wolf (as "Killer Kitty") was the legitimate Delegate of Lazarus. JAL was trying to coup the region - this was before Lazarus could eject/ban nations. The FRA was in Lazarus kindly propping up Wolfie. He then got the West Pacific's "Black Sheep Squadron" (which he ran) to invade an FRA member region :?

The FRA obviously wasn't happy with this situation - we pulled out to prioritise defending our member region, rather than prop up a Delegate who was having military forces under his command target an organisation that had been supporting him. Wolfie, of course, tried to use that as a stick to beat us with. Cue much outrage as everyone who liked Wolfie agreed with him, and everyone who liked the FRA agreed with us.

Highly speculative, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if JAL had been working with Wolfie on the whole thing, but then you never can know with him - you can only ever be certain that JAL is working for himself. Of course, this was the age when some people still clung to the ridiculous concept of "duality", so Wolfie will probably tell you that Killer Kitty couldn't possibly be held responsible for his Evil Wolf persona's actions and vice versa.

Someone kindly granted me access to the FRA archives recently, so if you want more detail/dates I can probably dig that up.

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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Tue May 26, 2020 6:27 am

Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent involvement in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping, in which Evil Wolf, its allies Aleister and Funkadelia, and other members of Lone Wolves United committed the following crimes:
Lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening, and ejecting numerous natives without a fair trial;

Define "fair trial"? I believe there was in fact a coup plot, and it's a fact that foreign forces were working to destabilise Lazarus, which they did prevent.

Also, "lying to natives"? Are you claiming Evil Wolf is not a native of Lazarus? Are you claiming that it is your right to decide who is and who isn't native of Lazarus?

Ratifying a new constitution that abolished democracy in the region and established an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kity, and;

False, again. Killer Kitty did not lead the Undead Dominion of Lazarus - while they were briefly were Khan, you can't be referring to that, since the Khanate simply did not have a constitution.

Terminating the Lazarene military known as the Lazarene Celestial Armada, which ended the presence of any organised Lazarene army at the time,

Except Lazarus invaded Philipines with it's military. Hard to do while simultaneously having no organised Lazarene military, wouldn't you agree?

Appalled by the contradiction arising from Commending a nation that is the founder of a region condemned by this body in Security Council Resolution #74, Lone Wolves United, a region that continues to raid and wreck havoc in undefended regions, and is infamous for initiating coups in Feeders and Sinkers,

Better.

Observing that the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe had no significant impact as the region had already been evacuated and its nations had moved to another region,

Are we really going to downplay a large, interregional operation because of XKI's salt towards Evil Wolf?

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been carried out through proxies and puppet states,

You kept this in? Better go repeal the two dozen or so defender commendations because they were the actions of puppets, then.

Recalling that a previous commendation of A Mean Old Man was repealed after involvement in a coup of Lazarus; and that of Sedgistan, for its lead role in a coup of The South Pacific,

Dismayed by the actions of the commended nation, in actively seeking to discredit attempts to warn natives of the East Pacific of the attempted coup as 'lies' from 'conspiracy theorists', and the detrimental impact this had on attempts to prevent the crimes that were subsequently committed,

"detrimental impact"? Do you have evidence or examples of this?

One more thing regarding Lazarus: you conveniently seem to forget that Lazarus decided to trust Evil Wolf/Killer Kitty once more by appointing him as Security Auditor. Your outrage about his actions in Lazarus is evidently not shared by Lazarus.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue May 26, 2020 7:01 am

Opposed... anybody who gets the password to possibly the most hated region in Gameplay at any point (as EW did in 2014) deserves to be Commended - no matter what.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue May 26, 2020 9:07 am

Tinhampton wrote:Opposed... anybody who gets the password to possibly the most hated region in Gameplay at any point (as EW did in 2014) deserves to be Commended - no matter what.

OOC: Espionage on its own is not Commendable, otherwise we'd be handing out Commends every week.

A Bloodred Moon wrote:
Deploring Evil Wolf's more recent involvement in Lazarus, a region that it was commended for helping, in which Evil Wolf, its allies Aleister and Funkadelia, and other members of Lone Wolves United committed the following crimes:
Lying to natives about preventing a coup from happening, and ejecting numerous natives without a fair trial;

Define "fair trial"? I believe there was in fact a coup plot, and it's a fact that foreign forces were working to destabilise Lazarus, which they did prevent.

Also, "lying to natives"? Are you claiming Evil Wolf is not a native of Lazarus? Are you claiming that it is your right to decide who is and who isn't native of Lazarus?

So now we're calling a blatant coup a "stabilisation from foreign forces". And a native presumably loses their status when they violate their region.

Ratifying a new constitution that abolished democracy in the region and established an autocratic regime led by its proxy Killer Kity, and;

False, again. Killer Kitty did not lead the Undead Dominion of Lazarus - while they were briefly were Khan, you can't be referring to that, since the Khanate simply did not have a constitution.

Removed.

Terminating the Lazarene military known as the Lazarene Celestial Armada, which ended the presence of any organised Lazarene army at the time,

Except Lazarus invaded Philipines with it's military. Hard to do while simultaneously having no organised Lazarene military, wouldn't you agree?

Removed as well.

Observing that the actions taken by Evil Wolf to destroy Nazi Europe had no significant impact as the region had already been evacuated and its nations had moved to another region,

Are we really going to downplay a large, interregional operation because of XKI's salt towards Evil Wolf?

This is not XKI's salt as my posts on the forum only represent myself. Furthermore, as much as the NE operation was successful and all, it really does not justify a Commend on its own.

Noting that almost all the actions that Evil Wolf has been Commended for have been carried out through proxies and puppet states,

You kept this in? Better go repeal the two dozen or so defender commendations because they were the actions of puppets, then.

Not exclusively actions of puppets; in fact, it seems as if Killer Kitty has done all the work attributed to EW in the Commend.

One more thing regarding Lazarus: you conveniently seem to forget that Lazarus decided to trust Evil Wolf/Killer Kitty once more by appointing him as Security Auditor. Your outrage about his actions in Lazarus is evidently not shared by Lazarus.

I must be blind because I can't discern any known puppets of EW in the RO list for Lazarus at all.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Tue May 26, 2020 12:30 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:So now we're calling a blatant coup a "stabilisation from foreign forces". And a native presumably loses their status when they violate their region.

Since I said no such thing, no.

And why do you get to decide who is and who is not a native?

This is not XKI's salt as my posts on the forum only represent myself. Furthermore, as much as the NE operation was successful and all, it really does not justify a Commend on its own.

I was referring to the fact you are an XKIer. I get you don’t represent the region, but you do hail from there and we both know how XKI thinks about EW. As for NE, perhaps say that instead of trying to downplay the significance of the operation.

Not exclusively actions of puppets; in fact, it seems as if Killer Kitty has done all the work attributed to EW in the Commend.

Evil Wolf is the main nation, though. Since they’re the same player (or, ICly, government) I don’t think this a compelling argument.

I must be blind because I can't discern any known puppets of EW in the RO list for Lazarus at all.

True. Killer Kitty was removed following a vote in the Assembly for inactivity.
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Postby Bormiar » Tue May 26, 2020 1:30 pm

You'd have to be ideologically lost and/or historically blind to suggest such things on the destruction of Nazi Europe.

A cursory glance at the debacle of "Condemn NAZI Europe" will show you how heavily NE (indirectly) hurt the SC. The Security Council would have to be an amnesiac to downplay NationStates' massive victory in refounding that region.
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