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by Kowani » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:44 pm
by Galloism » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:47 pm
Kowani wrote:I disagree with the implicit idea that the people and the state are inherently opposed. Thus, I seek to improve the people by empowering the state.
by Kowani » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:50 pm
by Galloism » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:50 pm
by Kowani » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:53 pm
by Cruciland » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:55 pm
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.
The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.
by A Cornstar » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:08 pm
by Galloism » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 pm
by Cappuccina » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:19 am
Kowani wrote:I disagree with the implicit idea that the people and the state are inherently opposed. Thus, I seek to improve the people by empowering the state.
by North German Realm » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:23 am
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by Page » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:16 am
by Cappuccina » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:26 am
Page wrote:Two of these three shouldn't exist. The state should be replaced by voluntarily associated autonomous communities, corporations should be replaced by worker-controlled syndicates.
by Chan Island » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:58 am
GLDF wrote:Every ideology needs a way to keep power, a group it focuses on and allies with. One way this can be shown is by placing ideologies on a spectrum: the state, people, and corporations. Each of the three is critical to success, but there may be a preference. For example, a Stalinist would be most focused on the state. An anarchist on the farthest left could be placed on 'people' instead. This can intersect for people like modern rightists, where the state's power and corporations both are a large authority on policy. The reasoning behind ideas from the usual left-right spectrum can sometimes be better explained when they are placed by their support of groups and organizations rather than an echo-chamber's propaganda or portly worded tests. There really is no right or wrong between the three and neither is a discernable ability to bias present.
'People' for these purposes means ordinary private citizens with little corporate or government involvement. They're most of any country, and their personal freedom would describe this axis's goal. The state is obviously including the government, but especially exerting social or economic control. Not just in taxation and welfare, but enforcing tradition and lack of choice. Corporations are the owners of free market forces as a whole. The more the economy is designed for business owners, the more corporate oriented it is.
The point of this thread is to post what you believe politically based on what groups you support, not left and right or authoritarian and libertarian. For example, I don't have a clear favorite, although I would prefer people overall with a little bit of lean towards the state in economic affairs, mostly to help people and subsidize business.
Where do you stand on these axes? Do you think they accurately portray ideologies or are traditional spectrums more accurate? And how big of a role do the above forces play in politics?
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Marxist Germany » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:29 am
by Skyhooked » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:32 am
by Rojava Free State » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:54 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Totenborg » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:19 am
Chan Island wrote:GLDF wrote:Every ideology needs a way to keep power, a group it focuses on and allies with. One way this can be shown is by placing ideologies on a spectrum: the state, people, and corporations. Each of the three is critical to success, but there may be a preference. For example, a Stalinist would be most focused on the state. An anarchist on the farthest left could be placed on 'people' instead. This can intersect for people like modern rightists, where the state's power and corporations both are a large authority on policy. The reasoning behind ideas from the usual left-right spectrum can sometimes be better explained when they are placed by their support of groups and organizations rather than an echo-chamber's propaganda or portly worded tests. There really is no right or wrong between the three and neither is a discernable ability to bias present.
'People' for these purposes means ordinary private citizens with little corporate or government involvement. They're most of any country, and their personal freedom would describe this axis's goal. The state is obviously including the government, but especially exerting social or economic control. Not just in taxation and welfare, but enforcing tradition and lack of choice. Corporations are the owners of free market forces as a whole. The more the economy is designed for business owners, the more corporate oriented it is.
The point of this thread is to post what you believe politically based on what groups you support, not left and right or authoritarian and libertarian. For example, I don't have a clear favorite, although I would prefer people overall with a little bit of lean towards the state in economic affairs, mostly to help people and subsidize business.
Where do you stand on these axes? Do you think they accurately portray ideologies or are traditional spectrums more accurate? And how big of a role do the above forces play in politics?
The people in this axis are far and away the most important thing. State and corps are useful if they facilitate the improvement of individual lives, and I do believe that increased state power in some specific areas tends to correlate with increased power for individuals. But if they become opposed or abuse their power, far as I'm concerned, they can get fucked.
by Totenborg » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:20 am
Page wrote:Two of these three shouldn't exist. The state should be replaced by voluntarily associated autonomous communities, corporations should be replaced by worker-controlled syndicates.
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:22 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:23 am
by Page » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:26 am
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